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coffeebean 07-26-2017 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiotte (Post 1428503)

LOL. See what I mean? Chuckling!!!

dbussone 07-26-2017 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiotte (Post 1428510)
Yep, ad infinitum.


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And ad nauseam as well?


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Challenger 07-26-2017 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Gerald (Post 1428496)
I though the little white crosses are for departed pets.
I suggest that you remember when people buy a home in the villages from the original home owner. The new home owners don't sign any rules. After a while you will have no rules that can be inforced by the villages.

Deed restrictions run with the land no matter who owns the property. They are recorded in the land records of the county and are public info. They remain in force forever, unless the State or Federal govt passes a law making them inoperative as in the case of American Flags in Florida. A new buyer should be informed by his attorney or the real estate professional representing him of the restrictions. Failure to be informed does no relieve one from the responsibility to comply ( but may be cause for action against attorneys or agents). Any property owner subject to the same recorded restrictions has standing to go to court ( if necessary) to inforce such restrictions. Petitions to change restrictions normally require a super majority of those property owner which are subject to the restraints (up to 100per cent ) to compel changes.

coffeebean 07-27-2017 04:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mikeod (Post 1428081)

...........Please place your cross under the eaves of your home or in the back yard. Then no one can tell you to remove it as it meets the deed restrictions. Problem goes away.

I've seen many white crosses in folks' back yards......those are the yards that face the main roads such as Odel Circle. That is just like placing the yard ornaments in the front yard, actually.

coffeebean 07-27-2017 04:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1428204)
Yes, but ONLY the back of each item may be displayed.


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Another chuckle from me. Too funny!

xcaligirl 07-27-2017 06:39 AM

CC&R's are in place for a reason. If not in compliance, it needs to be addressed by Deed Compliance. If one person gets by doing whatever they feel is okay (even if they are a renter), where does the abuse of the CC&R's end? I don't like being in compliance and others seem to have the feeling they can do whatever they want even though we did sign paperwork stating we understand and will comply when we bought the house. I personally don't like looking at bad yard art and it started with a cross.... now there's even large ceramic cowboy boots

xcaligirl 07-27-2017 06:40 AM

I so agree Challenger! No excuse for the abuse.

stan the man 07-27-2017 06:49 AM

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Originally Posted by xcaligirl (Post 1428830)
CC&R's are in place for a reason. If not in compliance, it needs to be addressed by Deed Compliance. If one person gets by doing whatever they feel is okay (even if they are a renter), where does the abuse of the CC&R's end? I don't like being in compliance and others seem to have the feeling they can do whatever they want even though we did sign paperwork stating we understand and will comply when we bought the house. I personally don't like looking at bad yard art and it started with a cross.... now there's even large ceramic cowboy boots

Feel free to make a call anytime you want ,when you see a violation of the building regulations

Mrs. Robinson 07-27-2017 07:32 AM

I think it's absurd and bordering on ridiculous that the deed restrictions say you can't have lawn ornaments, BUT . . .
the only way to have such items removed, is to file a complaint. Huh? Then why the restrictions?

Going a step further, it is then okay to put the item(s) in your window, under the eaves of your house,
in your back yard, etc.

How stupid this all is!

Mrs. Robinson 07-27-2017 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1428502)
I would much prefer to see healthy grass and healthy plants and trees only. Nix the other chotskies. Too many on a property and it looks schlocky (is that really a word?) You get the idea.

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Originally Posted by Wiotte (Post 1428503)


I saw a cross in the front yard of someone's house (yes, here in TV) -- a rather large one about 2 feet high.
It was not white but rather looked like old wood -- sort of driftwoody, and definitely home made.
In addition, around it was draped a schmata. :girlneener:

maureenod 07-27-2017 07:57 AM

Just drive through areas where there are no deed restrictions. Talk about trashy and tacky. That is why.

jsw14 07-27-2017 08:05 AM

I have called Community Development just to ask a question about leaving a trailer/boat, or a small camper in my driveway. I know about the 72 hour rule. But my question was IF I take out, (say every 50 hours or so) under the 72 hour rule, & come back & park it in my driveway again, (the same day) does the 72 hour rule start over again? They told me YES!!!! Hmmm, so I guess anyone can park anything in their own driveway & keep it there, just don't go over 72 hours all at one time.......!!!! Why Pay storage if I can do that & Not get a Ticket?

cologal 07-27-2017 10:44 AM

While I agree and completely comply with the deed restrictions there can be issues with the system.

A neighbor of mine has lived here for years peacefully in her patio villa, that is until a new neighbor moved in. He has reported her to the compliance department now 9 times.

He did not want any shrubs or plants touching his house. So she cut back the plants. Then another complaint for the same issue even though no plants were touching his house.

So she asked how far back did her plants need to be? The response 1 foot. She cut the plants back once again. And yet there came another visit from the deed restriction guy. He saw that the plants were 2 feet away from the house. We went down to meet with the compliance people, now she was told her plant had to be cut back to 3 feet. She did that and put up a string line to indicate where the 3 foot line was. Any yet the deed guy came back yet again. The only thing left to do was to move her garden to the other side. But the deed guy came back again because her neighbor now wanted her to fill in vacant area with rock. She was in compliance.....

And yet the agent returned again this time with a complaint that a arbor on her side might fall and hit his house. Clearly he could see that was a stretch but now she has to have the arbor approved.

I thinking of taking bets on how long it will be before he strikes again!

Personally I believe the deed compliance office, in this case is a vehicle for a bully to harass a neighbor.

Challenger 07-27-2017 11:15 AM

Doesnt
 
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Originally Posted by stan the man (Post 1428835)
Feel free to make a call anytime you want ,when you see a violation of the building regulations

Doesn't matter whether a home owner signs or not. Property is still under pertinent Restrictions

jsw14 07-27-2017 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 1428937)
Doesn't matter whether a home owner signs or not. Property is still under pertinent Restrictions

Thank You for Pointing that out.....:wave:

graciegirl 07-27-2017 03:11 PM

I am a huge fan of deed restrictions.

jsw14 07-27-2017 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by cologal (Post 1428924)
While I agree and completely comply with the deed restrictions there can be issues with the system.

A neighbor of mine has lived here for years peacefully in her patio villa, that is until a new neighbor moved in. He has reported her to the compliance department now 9 times.

He did not want any shrubs or plants touching his house. So she cut back the plants. Then another complaint for the same issue even though no plants were touching his house.

So she asked how far back did her plants need to be? The response 1 foot. She cut the plants back once again. And yet there came another visit from the deed restriction guy. He saw that the plants were 2 feet away from the house. We went down to meet with the compliance people, now she was told her plant had to be cut back to 3 feet. She did that and put up a string line to indicate where the 3 foot line was. Any yet the deed guy came back yet again. The only thing left to do was to move her garden to the other side. But the deed guy came back again because her neighbor now wanted her to fill in vacant area with rock. She was in compliance.....

And yet the agent returned again this time with a complaint that a arbor on her side might fall and hit his house. Clearly he could see that was a stretch but now she has to have the arbor approved.

I thinking of taking bets on how long it will be before he strikes again!

Personally I believe the deed compliance office, in this case is a vehicle for a bully to harass a neighbor.

Hmmm, U mean their's a Loop-Hole in the DEED, ALL of us can use here in TV??

Wiotte 07-27-2017 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jsw14 (Post 1428875)
I have called Community Development just to ask a question about leaving a trailer/boat, or a small camper in my driveway. I know about the 72 hour rule. But my question was IF I take out, (say every 50 hours or so) under the 72 hour rule, & come back & park it in my driveway again, (the same day) does the 72 hour rule start over again? They told me YES!!!! Hmmm, so I guess anyone can park anything in their own driveway & keep it there, just don't go over 72 hours all at one time.......!!!! Why Pay storage if I can do that & Not get a Ticket?

There's a homeowner on Cross Hill Drive that does that very same thing. 3 on 2 off, 3 on 2 off, for the entire month of this past March. :cus:

jsw14 07-27-2017 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Wiotte (Post 1429157)
There's a homeowner on Cross Hill Drive that does that very same thing. 3 on 2 off, 3 on 2 off, for the entire month of this past March. :cus:

YUP, I hear ya. But what burns my Goat is my neighbor does that 365 days a year!!!! :cus:

DonH57 07-27-2017 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by cologal (Post 1428924)
While I agree and completely comply with the deed restrictions there can be issues with the system.

A neighbor of mine has lived here for years peacefully in her patio villa, that is until a new neighbor moved in. He has reported her to the compliance department now 9 times.

He did not want any shrubs or plants touching his house. So she cut back the plants. Then another complaint for the same issue even though no plants were touching his house.

So she asked how far back did her plants need to be? The response 1 foot. She cut the plants back once again. And yet there came another visit from the deed restriction guy. He saw that the plants were 2 feet away from the house. We went down to meet with the compliance people, now she was told her plant had to be cut back to 3 feet. She did that and put up a string line to indicate where the 3 foot line was. Any yet the deed guy came back yet again. The only thing left to do was to move her garden to the other side. But the deed guy came back again because her neighbor now wanted her to fill in vacant area with rock. She was in compliance.....

And yet the agent returned again this time with a complaint that a arbor on her side might fall and hit his house. Clearly he could see that was a stretch but now she has to have the arbor approved.

I thinking of taking bets on how long it will be before he strikes again!

Personally I believe the deed compliance office, in this case is a vehicle for a bully to harass a neighbor.

Upon reading this I'm wondering why clearly the rules kept changing to passify the complainer which in my opinion is only doing this not because there is a violation but because he found a way to harass his neighbor. Restrictions are restrictions but I get the picture her neighbor has personal issues that should be addressed . Nothing will make him happier to force her to leave. Compliance, is not the issue. This scenario is clearly abuse of the system and a sad one!

dbussone 07-27-2017 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 1429170)
Upon reading this I'm wondering why clearly the rules kept changing to passify the complainer which in my opinion is only doing this not because there is a violation but because he found a way to harass his neighbor. Restrictions are restrictions but I get the picture her neighbor has personal issues that should be addressed . Nothing will make him happier to force her to leave. Compliance, is not the issue. This scenario is clearly abuse of the system and a sad one!



I concur. Sounds like a neighborhood intervention might be useful.


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DonH57 07-27-2017 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by dbussone (Post 1429179)
I concur. Sounds like a neighborhood intervention might be useful.


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If this poor lady kept getting different rulings believing she's doing every thing in compliance and having the rug pulled under her it seems some people in the compliance department shouldn't be serving in this capacity.

ColdNoMore 07-28-2017 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 1429196)
If this poor lady kept getting different rulings believing she's doing every thing in compliance and having the rug pulled under her it seems some people in the compliance department shouldn't be serving in this capacity.

Just as with some golf ambassadors and community watch employees, some people have waited all of their lives to have some type of authority...and they use these positions to live out their fantasies of control.

Not all by any means are like this, but it's usually quickly discernible...which ones fit that description. :ohdear:

Challenger 07-28-2017 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by cologal (Post 1428924)
While I agree and completely comply with the deed restrictions there can be issues with the system.

A neighbor of mine has lived here for years peacefully in her patio villa, that is until a new neighbor moved in. He has reported her to the compliance department now 9 times.

He did not want any shrubs or plants touching his house. So she cut back the plants. Then another complaint for the same issue even though no plants were touching his house.

So she asked how far back did her plants need to be? The response 1 foot. She cut the plants back once again. And yet there came another visit from the deed restriction guy. He saw that the plants were 2 feet away from the house. We went down to meet with the compliance people, now she was told her plant had to be cut back to 3 feet. She did that and put up a string line to indicate where the 3 foot line was. Any yet the deed guy came back yet again. The only thing left to do was to move her garden to the other side. But the deed guy came back again because her neighbor now wanted her to fill in vacant area with rock. She was in compliance.....

And yet the agent returned again this time with a complaint that a arbor on her side might fall and hit his house. Clearly he could see that was a stretch but now she has to have the arbor approved.

I thinking of taking bets on how long it will be before he strikes again!

Personally I believe the deed compliance office, in this case is a vehicle for a bully to harass a neighbor.

My suspicion is that there is a lot more to this second or third hand story.

graciegirl 07-28-2017 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 1429251)
My suspicion is that there is a lot more to this second or third hand story.

I agree. Deed restrictions are complaint driven only if the complaint is a valid breech of restrictions.

Sounds wrong. Something is inaccurate.

Dklink 07-28-2017 08:09 AM

They are all fine with me if that is what they believe in. wrong thread

biker1 07-28-2017 02:46 PM

Without pictures and the exact wording of the complaint, it is hard to know exactly what is going on here. I suggest nobody jump to conclusions.

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Originally Posted by cologal (Post 1428924)
While I agree and completely comply with the deed restrictions there can be issues with the system.

A neighbor of mine has lived here for years peacefully in her patio villa, that is until a new neighbor moved in. He has reported her to the compliance department now 9 times.

He did not want any shrubs or plants touching his house. So she cut back the plants. Then another complaint for the same issue even though no plants were touching his house.

So she asked how far back did her plants need to be? The response 1 foot. She cut the plants back once again. And yet there came another visit from the deed restriction guy. He saw that the plants were 2 feet away from the house. We went down to meet with the compliance people, now she was told her plant had to be cut back to 3 feet. She did that and put up a string line to indicate where the 3 foot line was. Any yet the deed guy came back yet again. The only thing left to do was to move her garden to the other side. But the deed guy came back again because her neighbor now wanted her to fill in vacant area with rock. She was in compliance.....

And yet the agent returned again this time with a complaint that a arbor on her side might fall and hit his house. Clearly he could see that was a stretch but now she has to have the arbor approved.

I thinking of taking bets on how long it will be before he strikes again!

Personally I believe the deed compliance office, in this case is a vehicle for a bully to harass a neighbor.


jsw14 07-28-2017 04:02 PM

I've read this more then Twice & can't make sense of it. I say to each their own...... :shrug:

DonH57 07-28-2017 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by jsw14 (Post 1429473)
I've read this more then Twice & can't make sense of it. I say to each their own...... :shrug:

Same here. The compliance department should have stopped after she met the 1 foot distance she was told originally was the required distance.


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