Talk of The Villages Florida - Rentals, Entertainment & More
Talk of The Villages Florida - Rentals, Entertainment & More
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No, I wish you would do your research and be educated with the facts. You will learn, the reporting by OS is headline grabbing......may not be the entire story. There is a difference between existing county road work dollars and creating county roads for a developer. The county is responsible for improvements and upgrades to their existing roads. I have the details of the Sumter County budget. Again.....educate yourself. The highlights are: The 2019/2020 budget increased from ~$200mil to ~$250mil. $14mil went to the General Fund for Fire/Policy/Admin/etc. as a result of the County's expansion. The other big increase was in the Special Projects Fund. Special Project details start on page 19 of the approved budget. A lot of dollars are going to resurfacing projects and traffic management systems. As far as the contract..................I've read it. Do yourself a favor and don't rely on random posters on the internet. I have the facts. Learn the fact..............they will set you free!!
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Enough please. Those that are driving a nail with a sledge hammer seem to think that the rest of us need 'help' to understand. Disagreement does not mean lack of understanding.
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To get back to the beginning of this discussion, the argument around who should be paying for various infrastructure costs associated with development has been an on-going battle for as long as I can remember (I first moved to FL back in 1985) and I'm sure was going on way before that. From my perspective, there are basically 3 choices; the developer (who will try and transfer this cost back to the new buyers), the new buyers, and the existing land owners/residents. The latter residents often resent the the fact that their taxes are inevitably increasing. Hence this whole thread. Now, on the plus side, existing landowners/residents will find themselves enjoying enhanced economic prospects and will often "cash-out" to a windfall property value increases due to the development. (We are currently seeing that in the southern area as Warm Springs begins to be developed beyond the borders of the Villages of Southern Oaks and old-time property owners are able to sell at a profit.) I saw this play out in Palm Beach County 30 years ago and it continues down there even to this day. I personally love what is going on down in my area (I'll refer to it generally as the VOSO) and with the CDD structure, I certainly feel like I am paying for my share of the infrastructure. This discussion is more about the non-villages infrastructure. (i.e. it is not tied directly to land that the developer is developing, but rather the areas surrounding it.) I can certainly sympathize with the sentiments of the original post and it's fair to talk about impact fees, but to think that this is a new phenomena is incorrect or to somehow tie it all back to The Morse family (The Developer) is missing the bigger context (imo). The infrastructure costs are for things that we all are/will be benefiting from; new residents and old alike. - -
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You seem to forget, as I explained before, all the roads will not be built in 2020. Do you have a better number than the Orlando Sentinel's $186 million? In fairness to you, the exact number is hard to come by, but I will trust the number of a professional journalist, as opposed to the vague numbers that you are throwing around. You do notice that the County Commission did not correct the figure used in the Orlando Sentinel, which the Commission clearly would have been aware of. Had the Orlando Sentinel's number been wrong, one would think that the Commission would have corrected it. But, despite your smoke blowing, the exact number is not the real issue. The real issue is: Why did the County Commissioners preserve the Developer's sweetheart impact fee and impose a massive tax hike on the residents to pay for Developer-caused infrastructure? Do you have an answer for that question? (Actually, the answer as to "why" is pretty obvious.) To help you understand better what is going on, read the editorial about The Villages growth and the Developer's "puppet" County Commissioners in today's issue of the on-line newspaper. Once you understand, perhaps you will join the movement to clean up the County Commission. Last edited by Advogado; 02-16-2020 at 09:12 PM. |
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When you rely on agenda publications, your view is very negative and many facts are not known. "Professional Journalists"...........wow, that is enlightening. An editorial (as your reference point) = "a newspaper article written by or on behalf of an editor that gives an opinion on a topical issue " I prefer the source documents: The Budget & The Contract. By looking at the source document, you will find the expenditure drivers behind the tax increase. I'm not a lover of any increase, but with facts (not opinions) I have an understanding. Why?? The County is required to cover the expenditures of the approved budget. Period. I understand the expenditures, I understand the County must balance their budget. My only question is; without the tax base currently in place to cover the expenditures, should some of the expenditures be covered with a bond issuance. Thereby matching expenditures with revenues. I have not heard the County's pro's & con's of this process.
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The only thing the developers had to commit to was building a new town center in Sumter County within those 30 years and keep the pretty flowers same as northern areas! |
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When as the last time you have seen truck weight limits signs on The Villages road. Trick question! Why would Sumter county allow 60,000+ pound trucks used by the developer’s contractors on roads that are not rated for that much weight? Because they know we as taxpayers will foot the bill just like we are doing to repair the pot holes on Morse and Buena Vista.
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There are none!
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I know this. When someone as smart as you lives here a little longer and sees the bigger picture and begins to really sift all of the details you will change your tune.
The man is just doing business and doing it well and successfully and if he didn't do it someone else would and not as well and successfully. He appears not to need to feather his own nest. He does appear to continue to want to work and in so doing keeps this place thriving and the economy humming. Not a thing wrong I can see.
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You are either oblivious to this abuse, or you are okay with it. Many of us are neither. I personally would not have minded a significant tax increase if the revenue were going to firefighters, sheriff's deputies, and teachers. It is not. It is going into the Developer's pocket in order to preserve his sweetheart impact fee. This is cronyism and corporate welfare at its worst. It is time to clean up the Sumter County Commission. Last edited by Advogado; 02-21-2020 at 08:38 AM. |
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In the meantime, instead of accusing me of being a psychic, please spend a little time educating yourself as to what has been going on in Sumter County. For example: Look at the money from the Developer and his network of suppliers flowing into Commissioner campaigns when his guys face a challenger. The REPORTED campaign contributions are a matter of public record. Then look at the difference in developer impact fees between Sumter and Collier Counties. I am not a psychic, as you allege, but I have spent some time looking into facts about the Sumter County Commissioners. Last edited by Advogado; 02-21-2020 at 10:17 AM. |
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