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At least the walking path along Meggison is not as close to the road as the concrete sidewalks are north of 44. Another good feature in the neighborhoods south of 44 as that dogs are not allowed at the postal stations and rec areas. Every time I go to our postal station in Osceola Hills, there are people walking thru the grass letting their dogs crap. |
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"As the MMP maintenance falls under the PWA as common infrastructure, all the residents south of 466 will eventually have to foot the bill for the PWF costs of repairs/upgrades. " I looked but couldn't find what PWF stands for. Sorry if I missed it in the post, but couldn't locate it. And to be sure I understand correctly, ALL MMPs, including the newer ones fabricated without concrete ribbons, are under one entity when it comes to maintenance ? So, even though I live between 466 and 466A, when the newer, more cheaply constructed MMPs built south of 44 deteriorate to the point of requiring intervention, I will be among those who will be charged in order to finance the repairs. Is that correct? |
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We love the beauty south of 44, including the golf paths.
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Regarding your second & third questions, the answer is Yes you will get to help pay for any of the upkeep costs, and you can thank CDD7's board for that privilege. Had they approved the 4th revision of the PWA, a PWAC2/PWA2 would have been formed south of 44 and that cost would have been carried by CDDs 12, 13, 14, and beyond and not the CDDs north of SR44. But of course, CDD7's chairman was smarter than the 42 other supervisors who approved of the new agreement and decided not to even allow it to be put it to a vote. |
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Where the businesses will be are on the plan and when demand is there they will build them. Look at Brownwood and how long it took to build that out v |
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It the case of the waking trails and MMPs we are looking at an apples to oranges comparison. While both the curbed and uncurbed paths have the same function, they are constructed and will have to be maintained differently. Initial costs for the uncurbed paths is less as is the cost of replacing any given section on a linear foot basis due to the exclusion of the curbing. The curbed paths will undoubtedly have a longer and more stable useful life because of the curbing with a lower overall maintenance cost, but it comes at a higher initial price. The curbed paths however will have a higher replacement cost if a section need be replaced due to damage or other event. Both curbed and uncurbed paths meet all state standards. The Villages had previously established a higher “Villages standard” of using a curbed path that under the new design criteria of the areas south of SR44 is obviously no longer economically sustainable and is now defaulting back to the state standards. The “I hate the developer” crowd will say that this is just about greed as they alway do, no, this is about business and the realities of dealing with the costs involved with construction and how the scale of even what seems like small things can have a significant impact. This all comes down to pay-me-now-or-pay-me-later, either way nothing is free and only one entity ever pays for anything, it’s not government or businesses, it is the one who ultimately benefits that must pay, the consumer. |
is there a website setup to report model paths that need repair?
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Sorry to be a nit-picker, but the engineer inside of me compels me to point out that you are speaking of "CONCRETE", not cement (which is part of concrete). I know, I know . . .
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Another overlooked problem of the lack of "ribbons" is safety. I recently drove through the area on a early very foggy morning, The "ribbons" act as a guidance to stay on the path. Without the "ribbons" there is no outside guidance. The very least that should be done is apply the white striping on the exterior perimeters of the roadbed.
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I think the golf cart paths(and roads, and front yards, etc)south of 44 are dangerously more narrow.
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https://www.districtgov.org/PdfUploa...%205.19.22.pdf I know why residents of more established areas might not want to share in the cost of maintaining/upgrading new paths constructed to minimum standards in the south. But everyone can use the paths and the beautiful trails down here that attract many from the older legacy areas of the Villages. This will be more so as the new Lifestyle Center and multiple golf courses area completed. I'll point out also the older areas of The Villages are benefiting from relatively lower property taxes given the inflation in prices for the newer homes. A new home buyer could be paying more than double the property tax of a similar home purchased more than 10 (maybe 5) years ago - that's life. |
Did you ever own a blacktop drive with no edge protection such as concrete curbing or gravel shoulder ? Was that drive narrow enough that your car was parked close to the edge ? End result cracking and crumbling - guaranteed. Looks like - well you know what. Ever try to patch it ? How did that look ? Those MMPs get cart pressure on the edges all day long. They will fail. I have already observed this on those paths. If those paths have not been transferred from the developer to the CDDs contact your rep and insist considering not to accept possession without resolution or a maintenance agreement.
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Properties are reassessed each year anyway. If you are homesteaded, there is a limit to how much the assessed value can increase because of the Save Our Homes law (about 3% or the CPI, whichever is lower). If you are homesteaded, the market value is not what your taxes are based on. They are based on the assessed value. Some of the 25% tax increase has been reduced the last 2 years. Also, the 25% increase was on the County Tax only, not the School Tax or the line items for fire and maintenance. The net effect was more like a total of about a 12% increase.
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Just another, “Hate everything south of 44” post…lol. Turnpike noises, new changes etc…
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We will be paying for the repairs down south here sooner than later with all the people parking in the grass every day/night at Sawgrass Grove. There is plenty of parking in the parking lot. Drive by some evening and you will see the parking lot for golf carts is empty and the parking in the grass off the MM path in front of Sawgrass will be full. This is going to lead to grass replacement and repaving of the MM path as the edges of the path deteriorate. Don Wiley hit it right on the head in his last video as to the reason people are parking there. Keep up the great work Don.
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:shocked: Just noticed on much of Buena Vista there is no cement curbing. The grass is not growing over like a jungle and the side of the roadway seems to be in good shape. Just asking if this is really a big issue. I would guess that both Buena Vista and Morse Blvd both are much more traveled by vehicles than any MM path. Is this just another false issue for some to complain about like striping the MM path so people can see but they have no issue driving on streets that are not striped on the sides or striped at all in neighborhoods. The issue of grass growing over path in the picture is an issue that should be brought up to the landscaping crews.
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My wife and I often walk around Hogeye Sink, which means we have to walk along that section of the MMP. We walk single file and facing oncoming golf cart traffic, and we get off the MMP when golf carts come along. That means we have to step over the hated concrete curb and, since my balance is not too good, I am always afraid of tripping on it. |
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