Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1652049)

I believe those who have a knee-jerk reaction of attributing any criticism of The Developer to "jealousy"... have it absolutely backward.

Those who defer to, or defend, The Developer on almost everything, regardless of the topic or their actions...are actually the jealous ones.

Many of us who might criticize The Developer on occasion or express our opinion of what we think would make things better, but still love the majority of the things here and is why we choose to continue to live here, seem to instantly become the target of anger by suggesting that everything isn't always absolutely perfect.

It's almost like any criticism of Da Family, is received by some as if it were a direct personal attack...on someone's family member. :oops:

Why in the world is that?

Oftentimes, these same people who become so defensive also almost always automatically admire, or put on a pedestal, someone with a lot of money (provided they also meet certain other criteria)... regardless if that wealthy person exhibits honesty, ethics or integrity.

THAT worship of wealth and prosperity... is the "real jealousy."

And I'm not saying the family doesn't have those attributes, because I believe they probably do, but make no mistake as there is an obvious lack of understanding in some people that think The Developer has done everything they've done...due to some kind of altruism or out of the goodness of their hearts.

Hate to break the news to those types, but you are basically worshiping their ability to make money by building what they think will sell, the "extras" that help that selling and other decisions made purely out of a desire to milk every dollar from the development (a % of rent on businesses being an example of squeezing out every dollar).

And they've done a very admirable job of doing that, are reaping their well-earned rewards for such...so more power to them.

It's the American Dream...and they've reached it.

Those with the standard refrain of "you're just jealous of the money they've made" or the old standby "well, if you don't think everything is perfect, or you criticize something, you should just move," really need to take a step back and evaluate themselves...regarding why do you have such a visceral reaction to even the slightest criticism of The Developer?

Because in the final analysis, you personally...don't mean anything to them other than as a customer.

Their primary concern, as it rightfully is for ANY business, is making sure that their new houses (and any old ones that they list) and office/store space are filled by someone...anyone.

Be assured that the vast majority of the people on TOTV who may criticize something they don't like, or would like to change...are certainly NOT coming from a perspective of jealousy.

Any more than criticism of some ultra wealthy, mega-church leader...is coming from a position of jealousy.

It's a fact, that history is replete with examples of those who exhibited blind loyalty to a single person, or company, or organization... whose primary goal was to make money (or gain power).

And a lot of those stories...did not end well.

Originally Posted by Love2Swim (Post 1650205)

I totally disagree. I am financially very well off, and I am not at all jealous of the developer. But I think businesses have certain responsibilities particularly when you create a place for retired people who have sunk much of their savings and uprooted their lives to live in the place you have developed. The developer has created expectations and made promises, and they need to be held accountable. For example, this place is heavily advertised as a golf community, and the overall condition of the golf courses is sub-par. That is inexcusable in my opinion. There are other examples, (I'm thinking of the $40 million class action lawsuit where the Developer mis-used amenity fees) but the point is, the actions of the Developer have been less than stellar in certain situations and residents have a right to be unhappy and need to pay attention so they aren't taken advantage of.

Originally Posted by Shbullet (Post 1652059)

Very well said. I wish i could have verbalized it so well in a few threads i participated in about 'the golf course conditions" It was if some thought the developer was under a personal attack and needed to be protected by his/her own personal national guard. Again...you've summarized very well...in my opinion

Originally Posted by skip0358 (Post 1652055)

Is the Developer making money? Sure he is that's why he's in business.Did he build a GREAT place to live ? Sure he did. They're trying to bring as many new places as they can into TV. As for Golf I don't use it. Pickleball not in many years after I blew the knee out. Rec centers maybe twice a year. Pool when we have company or HOT days and we want to cool off. All these items are here and they are available IF you wish to use them. I know I pay for them BUT I moved here because of what's here IF we wanted to use them. I've made MANY friends here, have great memories & a lot of fun. Coming from Long Island this place is a bargain and in a hell of a lot better condition then what Long Island was and how much money did the Politicians cost us us ? I lost cars and trucks in the pot holes up north. My taxes were more then double, my house is bigger down here, the Community is far superior to Long Island, it's less crowded for sure. That's why we chose to live here, my regret is we didn't do it when we first retired and waited till 2009. That's my story and I'm sticking ti it.

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1652095)

It seems to me that the developers have pretty much followed the philosophy of nation builder Lee Kuan Yew who led Singapore through its incredible development. Charlie Munger recently paraphrased Lee Kuan Yew. “Figure out what works and do it.”

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1652167)

I do find the loyalty expressed by some people idealistic. Yes, TV is a beautiful, a well thought out community. But “The Developer” gets compensated very well for it. I don’t know any of the family personally so do they deserve admiration or loyalty? I don’t know. Mr Schwartz, on the other, my relatives knew him and yes he did deserve respect. He had character.

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1652095)

It seems to me that the developers have pretty much followed the philosophy of nation builder Lee Kuan Yew who led Singapore through its incredible development. Charlie Munger recently paraphrased Lee Kuan Yew. “Figure out what works and do it.”

Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1652154)

If that were actual truth, then the "debt of gratitude" would rightly belong to Lee Kuan Yew, not the Morses or Schwartz.

Just sayin...

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1652167)

I do find the loyalty expressed by some people idealistic. Yes, TV is a beautiful, a well thought out community. But “The Developer” gets compensated very well for it. I don’t know any of the family personally so do they deserve admiration or loyalty? I don’t know. Mr Schwartz, on the other, my relatives knew him and yes he did deserve respect. He had character.

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 1652192)

Mr. Schwartz sounds like the dreamer who had the idea and some of the more practical members of his family but his dream into reality with a lot of luck, hard work, and very probable political connections. You do need the luck though.

Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1652195)

Actually, my impression was, he was a simple man from a nondescript background. But he did have smarts, and probably luck... and character.

Originally Posted by Midnight Cowgirl (Post 1652267)

Originally Posted by Midnight Cowgirl (Post 1652267)