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Fastskiguy 03-06-2023 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2194599)
Not everywhere, there are places where pedestrians have to walk in the street to get to a MMP, typically near gates.

One example.

We walk that stretch on Reagan road every morning. A sidewalk would be nice but we take to the grass for that segment. I'm with you a sidewalk would make it easier. See you around :)

Joe

Lottoguy 03-06-2023 09:53 AM

When you can't figure it out then it's always about money. There is your answer...

Vermilion Villager 03-06-2023 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2194416)
Why do we have so few sidewalks in the Villages?? I grew up in a small town and we had sidewalks on every street - and this was more than 60 years ago.

Because there are no sidewalks, I see a lot of people walking in the street where they can be hit by cars. Instead of spending money on a sidewalk along 44 - where very few people walk - wouldn’t it be better spent in the residential areas where thousands walk every day??

Don't know where you live but south of 44 we have MMP's.... Hundreds of miles of them. No need for sidewalks here.
As I recall the only place there are actually sidewalks in front of homes is in that one development by Lake Sumter Landing.

Marathon Man 03-06-2023 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Lottoguy (Post 2195042)
When you can't figure it out then it's always about money. There is your answer...

Nope. When you can't figure it out, it is usually about lack of information, or smarts.

Papa_lecki 03-06-2023 12:21 PM

Less to shovel.

defrey12 03-06-2023 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2194428)
Waste of money.

“Sidewalks” are not really part of Southern culture…it’s called heat. In Georgia, they’re actually “auto recovery zones”…kid you not. There are some natives—we’ve been here close to 25 years and know many—who claim air conditioning ruined the South. Paved the way for Yankees…just sayin’

defrey12 03-06-2023 12:36 PM

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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 2194618)
You must not get out much

Agreed!

defrey12 03-06-2023 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2194669)
So you have an endless list of things to complain about.

:a040:

Utterly amazing…always like your responses.

jimjamuser 03-08-2023 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2194416)
Why do we have so few sidewalks in the Villages?? I grew up in a small town and we had sidewalks on every street - and this was more than 60 years ago.

Because there are no sidewalks, I see a lot of people walking in the street where they can be hit by cars. Instead of spending money on a sidewalk along 44 - where very few people walk - wouldn’t it be better spent in the residential areas where thousands walk every day??

Great topic, and what bugs me is when they walk 2 abreast. And NOT walking facing traffic (like I do) so they can step off the road onto the grass. But, NO....... stepping onto the grass is (literally and figuratively) beneath them! And then the commercial trucks just practically park in the middle of the street. And then the residents think that they should do the SAME. And what DO you have then folks......a SNIT-SANDWICH of an obstacle course for resident drivers. And WHY can't they pave a MERE foot of asphalt on both sides of the donkey trail streets.
........I would be happy with a foot of just SHELL on both sides, EVEN that would be an improvement.
.........And what would it hurt........nothing.....the residents would have slightly less grass to water and cut.

jimjamuser 03-08-2023 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by TommyT (Post 2194602)
With the size of home sites, can you imagine how much smaller the site would be with a sidewalk!!

Yes, I can imagine - building sites would be marginally smaller and there would be somewhat less grass. And anyway few residents have the energy, ambition, and wherewithal to cut their own grass. So, what do they care -
they just pay the townies to do their WORK for them....... SO that they can get better tee times. And i am not asking for a FULL 3 ft wide sidewalk. I just want 1 foot on either side of the residential street donkey trails. And they can even be shell. I don't care..........I mean GIVE me something.....powers that be!!!!!!

jimjamuser 03-08-2023 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2194467)
Why so few sidewalks in the Villages?

Nobody walks!:shrug:

Nobody walks????? The Villages is billed as the healthiest city in the US for seniors. Maybe I am imagining all the residents WALKING and BIKING every morning and evening past our house. I better talk to MY LYING EYES.
.....NOBODY WALKS.........maybe no golfers walk, but REAL PEOPLE walk and bike.
......The recreation news is filled with ACTIVITIES that people ACTUALLY SWEAT at. SSSSSOOOO nobody can tell ME that NOBODY walks. They might as well try to tell me that nobody in the Villages breathes or drinks alcohol or goes to church.

jimjamuser 03-08-2023 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2194611)
In addition, it's the homeowner's legal responsibility to maintain those sidewalks. Imagine the hue and cry of homeowners when Community Standards orders them to remove and replace old sidewalks with cracks in them, just so the guy walking his two dogs from the other side of the neighborhood can walk without tripping on a broken piece of concrete.

Simply widen the asphalt roads 1 foot on either side........easy - peasy!

jimjamuser 03-08-2023 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2194657)
Putting in sidewalks would have no impact on the size of a lot. It would not make it larger or smaller.

I agree. That would be a MARGINAL concern.

jimjamuser 03-08-2023 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2194660)
Also, a lot of streets are very narrow for sidewalks

That's WHY they need sidewalks because they are too narrow, donkey trails.

jimjamuser 03-08-2023 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2194664)
A sidewalk would certainly cut down on the usable, enjoyable portion of the lot. It would also encourage walkers to be on my property and encourage walker's dogs to leave their droppings even closer to my front door.

Just in case: If walking on the sidewalk is not "on my property" then the size of my property certainly would be impacted by taking it for a sidewalk.

So basically, it is OK to KILL pedestrians on narrow roads because my nose might smell some bad things from dogs and that would offend me and stop me from entering HEAVEN.

jimjamuser 03-08-2023 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by MandoMan (Post 2194895)
A lot of people in residentIal areas walk in the streets. Yet, in the more than two years I’ve lived here, I don’t recall reading about someone being hit by a car in those areas. The residential areas have reduced vehicle speeds, and walkers watch out for vehicles and vice versa. Actually, for a lot of walkers, stepping up and down over curbs is potentially more dangerous than is walking on the streets. It’s easy to trip and fall. There would need to be ADA approved ramps all over the place. The way it is is much better. One of the glories of The Villages is that neighbors and their dogs walk in the street and stop to chat with each other. With sidewalks on opposite sides of the street, that would happen less often,

Walkers do NOT watch out for vehicles. Many walk in a never-never LAND of confusion and senility. (often NOT even being smart enough to walk facing traffic as school children are taught. In my own neighborhood, there is a tall SEEMINGLY coherent man about age 55 that walks 2 large dogs on leashes. He BARELY controls them and he and the dogs routinely take up 1/2 of the residential street with LOTS of vehicle traffic.
.........go figure what the problem IS there.

jimjamuser 03-08-2023 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by srswans (Post 2194911)
I like the no-sidewalk look - more natural and less concrete to maintain.

I suspect the lack of sidewalks also reduces vehicle speed by visually making the street appear narrower. The default speed limit is 20 and some neighborhoods are marked 10.

The overnight street parking ban also plays into this.

In my street they go 40MPH in the 20 MPH area.

Velvet 03-08-2023 04:13 PM

Around my area the streets are short and curved. By the time you put your foot on the accelerator you need to start breaking. Keeps the speed down.

jimjamuser 03-08-2023 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Rainger99 (Post 2194416)
Why do we have so few sidewalks in the Villages?? I grew up in a small town and we had sidewalks on every street - and this was more than 60 years ago.

Because there are no sidewalks, I see a lot of people walking in the street where they can be hit by cars. Instead of spending money on a sidewalk along 44 - where very few people walk - wouldn’t it be better spent in the residential areas where thousands walk every day??

I don't like the narrow donkey-trail streets inTV Land residential neighborhoods. But, I CAN think of one good reason why there are more sidewalks up NORTH than down here in Florida. Especially in the summer, Florida has more moisture in the clouds due to the greater HEAT and Humidity here vs up north. So, during the Florida summers we have HUGE thunderstorms and hurricanes dropping large amounts of water as compared to up NORTH.
........So, sidewalks in Florida would ADD greater area for the rain to hit and that water then RUNS off into the road creating road hazards and safety problems. The no sidewalks situation allows the greater RAIN in Florida's summers to penetrate down through the grass and dirt - the end result is less flooding in the road WITHOUT sidewalks than WITH sidewalks.

jimjamuser 03-08-2023 06:22 PM

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Originally Posted by srswans (Post 2194911)
I like the no-sidewalk look - more natural and less concrete to maintain.

I suspect the lack of sidewalks also reduces vehicle speed by visually making the street appear narrower. The default speed limit is 20 and some neighborhoods are marked 10.

The overnight street parking ban also plays into this.

I doubt that that overnight street parking ban is enforced very much, TV land does NOT have enough Police so it is sort of a wild west, catch as catch can approach to everything!

Boffin 03-08-2023 06:24 PM

Because so few are needed.

Papa_lecki 03-08-2023 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Boffin (Post 2195929)
Because so few are needed.

No one ever said, I’m spending $500,000 on that house because it has great sidewalks.

Velvet 03-09-2023 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2195976)
No one ever said, I’m spending $500,000 on that house because it has great sidewalks.

Welllll… that’s not quite accurate. When I looked for a house I checked on the map where I could live where I could go to the pool etc on a sidewalk. Not necessarily from my house, but relatively close to one. So yes, it was a significant factor in the location of the house. It’s not that I would spend $100,000 more - it’s that I wouldn’t consider a no-sidewalks location at all.

Bill14564 03-09-2023 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2196065)
Welllll… that’s not quite accurate. When I looked for a house I checked on the map where I could live where I could go to the pool etc on a sidewalk. Not necessarily from my house, but relatively close to one. So yes, it was a significant factor in the location of the house. It’s not that I would spend $100,000 more - it’s that I wouldn’t consider a no-sidewalks location at all.

Which locations in the Villages did you avoid because you could not go to the pool on a sidewalk?

Velvet 03-09-2023 09:31 AM

It was not a matter of avoiding, my parents had a seasonal house on the historic side - no sidewalks but also little traffic. My uncle had a house in district 1. No sidewalks, first 2 decades that he lived there not much traffic then last decade more and more traffic more and more dangerous to walk on the street. I didn’t like that. So I looked on Google map where exactly the sidewalks, pools, anything I’d like to walk to, are located. It was not the ONLY factor in the selection of a house, but these days I’m thankful I did.

Papa_lecki 03-09-2023 10:12 AM

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Response posted in the wrong thread.

VApeople 03-09-2023 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2196079)
It was not a matter of avoiding, my parents had a seasonal house on the historic side - no sidewalks but also little traffic. My uncle had a house in district 1. No sidewalks, first 2 decades that he lived there not much traffic then last decade more and more traffic more and more dangerous to walk on the street. I didn’t like that. So I looked on Google map where exactly the sidewalks, pools, anything I’d like to walk to, are located. It was not the ONLY factor in the selection of a house, but these days I’m thankful I did.

Good for you!

Instead of obsessing over the color of the backsplash or some other minor feature of your house, you actually thought how it would be to live in that house on a daily basis. If you have anything to be "thankful" for, it is your own good common sense.

Bogie Shooter 03-09-2023 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2196104)
Go here

https://www DOT thevillageshomewarranty DOTcom/product-search/

Enter your villager ID number and all the selections for your house (even if you are not original owner) can be printed.
If someone changed a wall color, it will not be on here, this is the original stuff.

Link does not work........................................

Marathon Man 03-09-2023 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 2196111)
Good for you!

Instead of obsessing over the color of the backsplash or some other minor feature of your house, you actually thought how it would be to live in that house on a daily basis. If you have anything to be "thankful" for, it is your own good common sense.

Well said. I also give a 'good for you'.

Papa_lecki 03-09-2023 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2196144)
Link does not work........................................

It wont work, need to take the text, and replace the word DOT with an actual .

If i put tha tactual link in, TIOTV would have deleted it

Bogie Shooter 03-10-2023 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2196155)
It wont work, need to take the text, and replace the word DOT with an actual .

If i put tha tactual link in, TIOTV would have deleted it

You mean like this? TOTV doesn't delete Villages links.

Product Search - The Villages Residential Construction and Home Warranty : The Villages Residential Construction and Home Warranty

snbrafford 03-10-2023 06:14 PM

multi-modal paths
 
We all think of the paths that go everywhere as golf cart paths. TV refers to them as multi-modal trails meaning for use by carts, bikes and people. In some places, you will even see "cart", "Bike", "Red" painted on the pavement. So TV sees it as plenty of walking area especially with the addition of side walks and walking trails where golf carts can't go.

Velvet 03-10-2023 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by snbrafford (Post 2196549)
We all think of the paths that go everywhere as golf cart paths. TV refers to them as multi-modal trails meaning for use by carts, bikes and people. In some places, you will even see "cart", "Bike", "Red" painted on the pavement. So TV sees it as plenty of walking area especially with the addition of side walks and walking trails where golf carts can't go.

So, show of hands, how many people are comfortable walking through the multi modal tunnels?

Altavia 03-10-2023 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2196556)
So, show of hands, how many people are comfortable walking through the multi modal tunnels?

Or across the bridges?

Seems the design intent was to discourage walkers much less the disabled (ADA).

JMintzer 03-11-2023 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2196556)
So, show of hands, how many people are comfortable walking through the multi modal tunnels?

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PugMom 03-11-2023 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael G. (Post 2194660)
Also, a lot of streets are very narrow for sidewalks

that's what it is, our roads are pretty narrow now, can you imagine if sidewalks were installed. agree completely

JMintzer 03-11-2023 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2196746)
that's what it is, our roads are pretty narrow now, can you imagine if sidewalks were installed. agree completely

I'd imagine that if they -did- put them in, it would be on the grass side if the curb that is already installed. Not extending into the completed streets...

dewilson58 03-11-2023 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2196583)
Or across the bridges?

Seems the design intent was to discourage walkers much less the disabled (ADA).

The new bridges.........................thank the FDOT.

Bill14564 03-11-2023 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2196556)
So, show of hands, how many people are comfortable walking through the multi modal tunnels?

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Originally Posted by Altavia (Post 2196583)
Or across the bridges?

Seems the design intent was to discourage walkers much less the disabled (ADA).

I would feel comfortable (safe) doing both. Though I really can't think of a reason I would walk across one of the four bridges - it would be a long walk to get to any destination.

JMintzer 03-11-2023 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2196799)
I would feel comfortable (safe) doing both. Though I really can't think of a reason I would walk across one of the four bridges - it would be a long walk to get to any destination.

Agreed... Even if they had a separate pedestrian path across the bridges, I can't, for the life of me, imagine ever wanting to walk over them...


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