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-   The Villages, Florida, General Discussion (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/)
-   -   Why are the taxpayers, and not the developer, paying for the expansion of the village (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/why-taxpayers-not-developer-paying-expansion-village-298614/)

Advogado 09-30-2019 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1685073)
Are you a lawyer?
In real life, I was. Were you a developer? :)

njbchbum 09-30-2019 10:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Arctic Fox (Post 1685012)
Apart from marking your calendar for almost a year from now, I didn't read anywhere what you are going to do about this, Advogado?
:bigbow:

New Englander 09-30-2019 10:09 AM
To those who disagree with the OP (Avocado). Point out where he is wrong. What facts is he presenting that are incorrect?

Advogado 09-30-2019 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by New Englander (Post 1685082)
To those who disagree with the OP (Avocado). Point out where he is wrong. What facts is he presenting that are incorrect?
I fact checked, but if I made any mistakes, I would be glad to be educated. Frankly, some of the comments, like attacks on the POA, are, at best, irrelevant.

Fredster 09-30-2019 10:53 AM
Sometimes a persons rose colored glasses are too dark a tint!
I think that to believe the developers have not influenced elected officials
is their favor is quite naive!

eweissenbach 09-30-2019 11:01 AM
By the way, I am a proud dues paying member of the POA. Everyone interested in an unvarnished, comprehensive and unbiased oversight of what should be important to residents of TV should join. Having said that, I am very pro developer for their vision and execution of the best retirement community in the world, however they are not above reproach.

Bogie Shooter 09-30-2019 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by geobar (Post 1685034)
Thankfully we had moved from "Sumter County" 2 years ago.
In our 8 years there our R E Taxes went down appropriately 8 to 10%.

Why hasn't any group in "The Villages" or Resident in Sumter County contact the Attorney General about this unrepresented R E Tax restructure to benefit the "Morse Money Hungry Mogul's"?
The 5 Board members have been planted on the Board by the "Morse Money Hungry Mogul's".

Residents are being Screwed by the "Morse Money Hungry Mogul's".
Since when do Tax payers foot the bill for any Builders impact fees?
This is unheard of in any County or State in the "United States of America".

When Gary Morse was in control this was never was even a consideration.
He made it Affordable for new purchasers and residents in Sumter County.
Actually till Nov. 2018 the Sumter County R E Taxes were lowered for over 15 continuous years.
Now live with the GREED of the "Morse Money Hungry Mogul's" (Family).

How much money do they actually need?
Look up the Wealth of the Morse Family or Individually as I found this today:
"H. Gary Morse net worth: H. Gary Morse is an American entrepreneur who has a net worth of $2.5 billion. H. Gary Morse is the son of Michigan-born developer, Harold Schwartz".

Clean up "Sumter County Government" and the "Morse Money Hungry Mogul's" (Such a Shame)
You said you left...…………………………..

Fredster 09-30-2019 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1685096)
Hopefully clear thinking honest independent people who represent the interests of the resident citizens of Sumter County can be elected to replace the present members obsequious to the developer. That would be a breath of fresh air!
I’m not anti developer, but the developers seem to be able to take care of themselves quite well.
I would like like officials in office that represent the home owning constituents that elected them!
So, remember to vote!

graciegirl 09-30-2019 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1685096)
Hopefully clear thinking honest independent people who represent the interests of the resident citizens of Sumter County can be elected to replace the present members obsequious to the developer. That would be a breath of fresh air!
Did you buy here this Spring? I am glad you are a landowner. It really is a wonderful place to live and I really think a lot of it is due to the decisions made by the developer. We have found it so for a dozen years. But, if we found evidence that was not so, we would sell and leave.

Advogado 09-30-2019 11:19 AM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1685091)
I am wondering if their political leanings will be part of your decision making as to who is honest, competent, and independent of the Developer. I have no problems with people who support the developer.
To answer your question: At the County Commissioner level, political party should not matter.

I am a moderate Republican and would prefer to see honest, competent, independent Republican Commissioners, but party affiliation is not that important to me in regard to Commissioners.

BTW, like you, I credit with the Developer in making The Villagers a really great retirement community. I have an issue, however, with some of the things the Developer has done in developing it.

graciegirl 09-30-2019 11:34 AM
Our discussions on this Forum add to all of our knowlege about things in general.
 
I just looked this up and now I forget what PIRG means...Public Interest something. Anyhow interesting;

Who Pays For Roads? | U.S. PIRG

who pays for new roads and new utilities in a new area??? - Bing

dewilson58 09-30-2019 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Advogado (Post 1685078)
In real life, I was. Were you a developer? :)



As a Developer, developers try to maximize tax benefits and incentives while minimizing costs to develop a piece of land. This is Developer 101. It's not greed, it's business. If a city or county "gives too much away" (in the eyes of taxpayers), it's not a develop issue. The developer did a great job.

Velvet 09-30-2019 11:56 AM
And conversely, as a homeowner, you try to advocate in your best interest in the same way, Homeowners 101.

dewilson58 09-30-2019 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1685112)
And conversely, as a homeowner, you try to advocate in your best interest in the same way, Homeowners 101.



Absolutely.


That is why Homeowners need to be engaged in the City/County Budget process, not wait until the taxes are determined to cover the budget.




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Ben Franklin 09-30-2019 12:10 PM
I brought up Impact fees when I first heard of this tax increase. I am from a county in Southwest Florida, where the Commissioners were also in the pockets of the developers. Taxes held pretty steady until the Commissioners dropped the impact fees, then our taxes went up. The Commissioner's response was that impact fees would stymy growth. I moved to that county when the population was around 150,000 people. Today there are close to 800,000 people, and it's a parking lot on the roadways, even in the summer.

Personal responsibility means that those who are impacting the roads and schools and other areas should be the one's paying for their impact, not the people who already live in a community. We need leaders, not puppets.


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