That’s funny because look at how many on par 3 executives hit a driver from the green tees. Doesn’t mean they hit it well, but it is the go to club for many in TV. Ya know bigger head easier to hit.

My, dad never used a driver, scratch golfer for many years. As a kid he played every morning before and after school.

That’s funny because look at how many on par 3 executives hit a driver from the green tees. Doesn’t mean they hit it well, but it is the go to club for many in TV. Ya know bigger head must be easier to hit.

My, dad never used a driver, scratch golfer for many years. As a kid he played every morning before and after school. He didn’t own a driver so never had one in his bag.

P & Ps are busy only as a last resort, when one can’t get a tee time for 2 or more on an executive course.

Looked last week, 3 days in advance on executive courses, for 2 people to play. Only spots available were before 8AM or after 4:20PM. Plenty of P & Ps open for 2 or more all day long.

Our main objection is being charged points for fake courses.

I could say exactly the same thing as to why they need more championship courses and less glorified "pitch and putt" executives. But that is only because I don't bother to play executives. However, in reality, it is the executives that are hard to get a tee time on (i.e.: free), so more of them would probably satisfy the masses. (Read the entire post, I am agreeing with you :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:)

Actually, to be technical, the distance doesn't matter. A "chip" is defined as a short shot that rolls >50% of the distance: a "pitch" travels >50% in the air.

Yes, and you'll find most of them in the paper under "holes in one" after skulling a drive 60 yards with the flagstick getting in the way

From another point of view: if you compare acreage, it looks like a P&P takes roughly 1/3 the area of An Exec

Maintenance cost is lower.

Throughput of golfers is faster.

P&P's keep golfers some would rather not see playing ahead of them off the other courses ;)

Relative to the courses mentioned in the latest video, the P&P iappears to be something less than 5% of the land dedicated to golf.

There is a lot of land dedicated to golf South of the Turnpike.

Walk ons and no shows
 

Fascinating to learn of such "short notice" experience. We're still learning our way around. Enjoyed the P&P's even in the summer heat for the couple of months before our cart arrived. Still learning the "ins and outs" of the reservation system. Checking the "open times" for the next 3 days, we find only very early or "just before dark" slots available for two.

*However*, the past few decades have taught me that there can be disconnects between reservation/appointment systems and human nature. Seeing the gaming of systems with no regard for how it affects others is one of my lifelong pet peeves. "Overbooking" is one of the clumsy "fixes" that comes to mind. . .

We *have* noticed that "no shows" seem to be at least "not rare" at the executives. You have me wondering now if just showing up as a couple and waiting for an opening might be a viable option - at least at venues where chipping practice is an option - can *always* use more of that. Bears testing. I will say that some of the most friendly and helpful folks with whom we've dealt here have been the starters' shacks folks, with very few exceptions. Another thought about the likelihood of success with such a strategy is what one of the starters shared with us - that it is also not rare for a couple to reserve a tee time with two "guests", but then the guests miraculously never actually make it to the party. Might be just the type of folks I'd get a kick out of joining up with. :-)

Our limited experience with the reservation system has been kinda frustrating. My one attempt at including a long list of executive course "options" apparently was irrelevant, or maybe I just failed to understand the system. The course and time that we "won" was a ridiculously long ride away (via golf cart) and was *not* one that was on our rather extensive "list". Interesting adventure. A couple of similar such "long ride" adventures have convinced us that they're just not our "cup of tea".

We've recently returned to Mickeylee for a couple of outings and, as we're both still pretty mobile, have enjoyed ourselves. And, it's interesting to learn that there *is* a difference between hitting short to mid irons and hitting those wedges. Had gotten to where I was stobbing a lot of the wedges back in the summer, but now looks like those skills need some re-honing. :-) Maybe not a bad option for the "high season". . .

Interesting. Been playing most of my life and came from a family of golfers. I don't remember it being defined so specifically. Never knew that.
Golf teaches me something everyday (in addition to the the fact that I'm not very good at it).

I've been playing for 55 years, and I didn't know that either until a PGA pro told me that about 6 months ago.

But, from national golfer:

By definition, a chip shot is when the ball is going to run further than it carries
A pitch shot is defined as a shot close to the green where the ball will carry more than it runs out

It doesn't work that way. When making a tee time request, you have to specify "yes" or "no" for the "Any course?" entry. If you select "yes", then the request system will attempt to provide you a reservation on any of the executives within your time window. If you select "no", you will need to select, from the list presented on the next page, which courses you are willing to play. In the latter scenario, you will not be assigned to a course that you have not selected for consideration. There are instructions on-line on how to use the web-based, as well as the phone-based, reservation system.

the manual
 

Yeah, I figured I probably just screwed up. Maybe I'll give it another look. The wifey has *finally* completely retired, so planning should become more predictable and it should make RTFM more carefully worth the trouble. :-)

As to that phone-based "system", gave up on that very quickly. Masochism is just not my style. :-)

Yes, I agree about the phone system. I know people who use it but I took one look at it and agreed to give them $8 a month for the web based system. The web based system is pretty good. There is some functionality that is missing but it is a unique piece of software and probably difficult, if not impossible, to improve. I have not noticed any changes in 10 years. After some use, you will become quite proficient with it.

I found that rather "loose" definition also. By your rather "strict" definition, some of my drives qualify as chips. :oops:

As would so called "holes in one" on a 55 yard hole with a driver dead topped:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: