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Have you not seen all the threads on TOV for people looking for specialists and best places for surgery? Do you think a healthy population would be asking so many questions about that? The healthcare resources available in TV is a major reason so many people retire here. How many people over 70 do you know that don't take prescriptions. So chronological age is a very poor metric. As humans, we are designed to have the same blood pressure at 75 than we do at 20. Cancer, heart disease, diabetes should be rare at almost any age. Odds will increase over time but not that much. In some societies people work out in the fields in their 90s. And BTW, healthcare costs are 17% of our GDP. That is not a healthy country. As Americans we eat like crap and rarely exercise to the point of raising our heart rate for an extended period of time. That is why we are the sickest and fattest large population in the history of mankind. Most Obese Countries in the World | ProCon.org If you really believe the nonsense you are espousing, find the research to back it up. PubMed |
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A 106-year-old was asked by Oprah what her secret to longevity was. She said to not go by her because she smoked and didn't eat any fruit or vegetables. Her brothers were also still alive at 104 and 102.
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We know that fast food diets is terrible for the average person. For him to brag about eating McDonalds is deplorable. Most people don't have billions of dollars and can afford the the latest and greatest that modern healthcare has to offer to offset our terrible habits. And again, it is called anecdotal. There will always be other factors like genetics. If he wants to influence people he should release his medical records and tell us the last time he ran a few miles. |
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Now this is how you use science.
Ornish Lifestyle Medicine Ornish Lifestyle Medicine is the only scientifically-proven program to reverse heart disease without medication or surgery. The 9-week online program is reimbursed by Medicare, BlueShield of California, and Aetna. Someone, Anyone, provide an example of a program that allows eating the standard American diet(SAD) that can make these claims and back it up with research based on established protocols. |
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I had an uncle who smoked a pack a day his whole life and lived into his 90's. I had an aunt who was obese her entire life and lived into her 90's. But I would be stupid to follow their example. I eat healthy most of the time. I exercise daily most of the time. I maintain a healthy weight all of the time. Will it work? Who knows, but I'm going with the odds. |
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Charlie Munger is now 99, close to 100. I have no idea about what constitutes his diet. I am not advocating anyone eat junk food, fast food or otherwise unhealthy food. Nor am I advocating an extreme vegetarian or any other trendy so called healthy diet. Humans are omnivorous. We can get by on all sorts of diets. Look at the traditional diets of indigenous hunter gatherer people such as Eskimos and Bushmen. Inuit cuisine - Wikipedia San people - Wikipedia |
I try to abide by Buddy the Elf's diet regime...
"We elves try to stick to the four main food groups: candy, candy canes, candy corns and syrup." |
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It is a good point though; one that I essentially agree with. We live in a society today that seems obsessed with cocooning ourselves against every possible threat, real or (all too often) only imagined, to the point where I think that such an obsession is actually more dangerous in the long run than that which we are obsessing about. Health care, for me, has been more about keeping me active than keeping me alive. Knee replaced, cataracts removed, etc. In fairness I did have a couple of clots roto-rootered out of my heart and a couple of stents put in but that was back in 2008 and everything has been ticking along fine since then.I figure the more active I am, the healthier I'll be, and nothing has happened yet to dissuade me from that. |
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Who writes the entries? Anyone can - it's open to all and can be modified and edited by anyone. However, Wikipedia's administrators protect some pages from direct editing if they believe they are regularly subjected to "vandalism" - the addition of abusive language or falsehoods. Wikipedia editing rules in a nutshell - BBC News Is there a reason you don't want to use the gold standard of medical research? Yes there are some credible contributions but the threshold for medical research is comparatively very low. Compare that to pubmed: How to Include a Journal in PMC - PMC I will reply only to the Inuits. There is archeologic evidence that Eskimos have a long history of heart disease. We have also seen that ancient Eskimos, far removed from the stresses of modern technological society, suffered from coronary artery disease, a process that has also been well documented as far back as dynastic Egypt, by both historical and anatomic evidence. This anatomic evidence in Alaska not only confirms the antiquity of arteriosclerotic heart disease but also its occurrence in a preliterate society that lacks the historical evidence seen in Egypt. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/art...00043-0014.pdf The notion that the incidence of ischemic heart disease (IHD) is low among the Inuit subsisting on a traditional marine diet has attained axiomatic status. The scientific evidence for this is weak and rests on early clinical evidence and uncertain mortality statistics. Methods: We reviewed the literature and performed new analyses of the mortality statistics from Greenland, Canada, and Alaska. Findings: The evidence for a low mortality from IHD among the Inuit is fragile and rests on unreliable mortality statistics. Mortality from stroke, however, is higher among the Inuit than among other western populations. https://www.atherosclerosis-journal....364-7/fulltext |
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All I am saying is humans can survive at least long enough to reproduce on a wide variety of foods. Obviously some foods are healthier than others. Stress is a huge negative factor weighing on most of us in today's world. Stress kills IMHO. |
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But I try and keep an open mind. If there is strong, fact based objective evidence contrary to what I believe based on established scientific protocols, then I will respect it. |
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