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kkingston57 08-30-2025 07:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2457584)
Exactly!

One positive would be a booming real estate sector. Many would consider Florida as the place to move to or retire in. Further, financial institutions would see those 2.5 % mortgages paid off. Florida would explode with building and development.

And how many of those people will be property rich and cash poor? Just got back from a 3 month trip 10+ state trip. Worst traffic we saw was in Ocala. 7 mile back up because of a blown tire. Why change a system that is good?

Normal 08-30-2025 07:08 AM

Not Done Here
 
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Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2457630)
I’m sure people who don’t live in the city pay more in county taxes than those that do. I know for a fact unincorporated Seminole County has a different tax rate than those of us who own property in Sanford. We pay city taxes and county taxes but the unincorporated sections have a higher county tax rate. If your county commissioners haven’t changed unincorporated verses municipality rates, they certainly can. Our village is in Leesburg and I’m fairly certain there are two different county rates.

No, we still have a singular system in Sumter county and all get taxed the same. It certainly needs to be done. It’s obvious county services are used quite a bit more by the unincorporated sections of the county.

ThirdOfFive 08-30-2025 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by BobGraves (Post 2457650)
The taxes paid to the Sumter Co. Sheriff's dept. Goes to things that the Wildwood PD doesn't have. Think of things like a helicopter. IDK the extent of Wildwood's detective division or police lab but these are the services the County Sheriffs provide so the smaller city PD doesn't have to fund and maintain these things.

Owners of private homes are not the only ones paying property taxes. the breakdown is

- Homeowners 65.8%
- Businesses 18.1%
- Tourists 16.1%

(2022 numbers, floridaphoenix . com)

Those worried about the effects on law enforcement of this being cut should recognize the cash cow (actually a herd of cash cows) that we see and grumble about every day. People breaking traffic laws with almost no repercussions. Start TICKETING speeders, red-light runners, passing in no-passing zones, etc., and that shortfall could be made up pretty easily.

Win-win.

ByebyeMichigan 08-30-2025 07:33 AM

Exactly.

airstreamingypsy 08-30-2025 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2457584)
Exactly!

One positive would be a booming real estate sector. Many would consider Florida as the place to move to or retire in. Further, financial institutions would see those 2.5 % mortgages paid off. Florida would explode with building and development.

Positive? That's not a positive, its a negative.

ByebyeMichigan 08-30-2025 07:43 AM

So if Florida eliminates property tax for people that own their homes OUTRIGHT , this state will have a huge influx of people moving here….simply tack on a significant sales tax on their new home purchase….. they won’t like the initial added cost but most will pay it with the realization that going forward they won’t have to pay anymore taxes on that home. That idea alone would mostly take the place of OUR property taxes that are currently being collected yearly ……

poordirtfarmer 08-30-2025 07:44 AM

I agree with enforcing speed limits on all Villages vehicles. That is what most Villagers would expect our employed police force to do. I’m sure there is reluctance by our police force to ticket people in a retirement community. Our elected commissioners should make it clear to our force that the MAJORITY of Villagers believe the Villages will be safer and our property more valuable if speed limits are enforced.

ROCKETMAN 08-30-2025 07:48 AM

Property taxes
 
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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2457535)
We should all be aware that the governor and state house members want to eliminate property taxes for all of us. Texas just came one step closer to being the first.

The Texas House pushed forward a proposal Monday aimed at containing property tax bills by putting tighter restrictions on cities and counties.

The legislation would further limit how much more in property tax revenue cities and counties can collect each year without voter approval. Under state law, that limit sits at 3.5%. The bill would take that limit down to 1%.
Texas House OKs bill limiting city, county property taxes | The Texas Tribune

Florida isn’t exactly sitting by, the governor’s idea to totally eliminate resident taxes has overwhelming support.
Ron DeSantis Updates Florida on 2026 Plan for Property Tax Vote - Newsweek

Which state will get it done first? Florida will rely on businesses and tourism taxes. Texas has taken the more streamlined approach. It should be interesting to see who comes first.

Property taxes take in 56 billion dollars in the state. How do you make that up.

dougjb 08-30-2025 07:48 AM

There is no such thing as a free lunch.

If the property tax is eliminated, the government will have to make up that shortfall somewhere else. Floridians have to pay...one way or the other!

So, let's not celebrate the elimination of one tax if the state then has to play whack-a-mole and hit us on something else.

Rsb23 08-30-2025 07:51 AM

I agree
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2457593)
You sure about that? You didn't pay tax on your car? You don't pay tax on your meals when you dine out? You didn't pay tax on your computer or phone? You pay no tax on every gallon of gas you buy for your car, or every unit of electricity you use on your EV? Yes, yes you do pay tax on all of that. It's not property tax, but it's tax. You also pay registration fees every year on your car based on weight - it's not called a tax, but that's what it is.

Most things you buy - are taxed.

I agree with you. The problem is that you are trying to convince the Me People that taxes can both benefit them directly and indirectly.

There are two types of people the Me People that believe that if the services don’t Directly benefit them they should not have to pay. If they don’t have a child in school why should they have to pay school taxes (etc. to all other taxes as well). Then there are the We People. They see the benefits of education has to our society. The We People care about others. The Me People couldn’t care less if it doesn’t help them directly.

It’s sad to say, but we seem to be in period of time when the Me People have taken control and society will suffer for it. Save your breath you are trying to convince people that only care about themselves. That will not change.

Normal 08-30-2025 07:51 AM

Snowbirds would pay property taxes
 
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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2457647)
Redundancy in local governments has been there and has been a problem for years. Most people do like "local" control, Getting rid of property taxes will create a huge can of worms. Why fix something when it is not broken? As an aside those hated snowbirds will love it. Only pay sales tax for several months and no property taxes. 99% of them will buy their car(heavy taxed item) elsewhere

If you aren’t a resident, you pay property taxes. The exemption is only for single property owners who are residents of the state.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-30-2025 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2457595)
Yes... Taxed ONCE! Not yearly, in perpetuity...

So here's how taxes work, since it isn't clear to you:

Property taxes are what you pay, to cover the expense of owning property in the town you're in. That means it covers the cost of paving the road that leads to your driveway. It covers the cost of the cop who shows up to arrest them thar illeguls who you mistakenly contracted to replace your roof. It covers the cost of the replacement of curbs. It covers the cost of the people who determine the laws and regulations, implement them, and oversee the general running of the community you live in. It covers the cost of the secretary who types up all this stuff and takes your phone call when you complain about a pothole at the corner of your road and the intersection. It covers the cost of the street lights and stop signs and road signs, the schools, the sidewalks on public property. It covers the cost of asphalt and bituminous concrete when needed to patch those sidewalks and roads. It covers the cost of the city engineer who has to sign off on all new construction or expansions of existing property. It covers the cost of the inland-wetland commission, who makes sure that someone isn't building a property in such a way that it'll dam the free flow of water and cause half the neighborhood to float away during the next big rainstorm.

That's why you pay property tax every year, and not just a sales tax once when you buy the house. These things happen every year. And so you pay every year.

Normal 08-30-2025 08:19 AM

Or
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2457687)
So here's how taxes work, since it isn't clear to you:

Property taxes are what you pay, to cover the expense of owning property in the town you're in. That means it covers the cost of paving the road that leads to your driveway. It covers the cost of the cop who shows up to arrest them thar illeguls who you mistakenly contracted to replace your roof. It covers the cost of the replacement of curbs. It covers the cost of the people who determine the laws and regulations, implement them, and oversee the general running of the community you live in. It covers the cost of the secretary who types up all this stuff and takes your phone call when you complain about a pothole at the corner of your road and the intersection. It covers the cost of the street lights and stop signs and road signs, the schools, the sidewalks on public property. It covers the cost of asphalt and bituminous concrete when needed to patch those sidewalks and roads. It covers the cost of the city engineer who has to sign off on all new construction or expansions of existing property. It covers the cost of the inland-wetland commission, who makes sure that someone isn't building a property in such a way that it'll dam the free flow of water and cause half the neighborhood to float away during the next big rainstorm.

That's why you pay property tax every year, and not just a sales tax once when you buy the house. These things happen every year. And so you pay every year.

Or, have the state take care of it all.

Bill14564 08-30-2025 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2457683)
If you aren’t a resident, you pay property taxes. The exemption is only for single property owners who are residents of the state.

There is no proposal for any exemption yet, just promises. It's far too early to be counting the chickens, much less naming them.

BlueStarAirlines 08-30-2025 09:03 AM

For me, the real issue isn't the paying of property taxes, its the normalization of the endless supply of tax dollars to fund pet projects.

Wildwood is the poster child for this with their parking garage, Millennium Park, and their forthcoming "The Railyard" and "Linnear Park". The "build it and they will come" is a foolish waste of tax dollars. Wildwood has real needs like the new water treatment plant but seems to be easily distracted by grandiose visions as a place that shoppers will flock to and spend hours enjoying Wildwood's natural setting.

Normal 08-30-2025 09:23 AM

Agree
 
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Originally Posted by BlueStarAirlines (Post 2457723)
For me, the real issue isn't the paying of property taxes, its the normalization of the endless supply of tax dollars to fund pet projects.

Wildwood is the poster child for this with their parking garage, Millennium Park, and their forthcoming "The Railyard" and "Linnear Park". The "build it and they will come" is a foolish waste of tax dollars. Wildwood has real needs like the new water treatment plant but seems to be easily distracted by grandiose visions as a place that shoppers will flock to and spend hours enjoying Wildwood's natural setting.

Yes, they are the poster child for waste!

Bill14564 08-30-2025 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by BlueStarAirlines (Post 2457723)
For me, the real issue isn't the paying of property taxes, its the normalization of the endless supply of tax dollars to fund pet projects.

Wildwood is the poster child for this with their parking garage, Millennium Park, and their forthcoming "The Railyard" and "Linnear Park". The "build it and they will come" is a foolish waste of tax dollars. Wildwood has real needs like the new water treatment plant but seems to be easily distracted by grandiose visions as a place that shoppers will flock to and spend hours enjoying Wildwood's natural setting.

With all the development happening in Wildwood they should already have the customers, they just need to get on the ball and create the downtown destination. The parking garage made sense as the initial phase of the buildout but it's been open for nearly a year now with little or no progress on the rest of the plan.

kingofbeer 08-30-2025 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2457535)
We should all be aware that the governor and state house members want to eliminate property taxes for all of us. Texas just came one step closer to being the first.

The Texas House pushed forward a proposal Monday aimed at containing property tax bills by putting tighter restrictions on cities and counties.

The legislation would further limit how much more in property tax revenue cities and counties can collect each year without voter approval. Under state law, that limit sits at 3.5%. The bill would take that limit down to 1%.
Texas House OKs bill limiting city, county property taxes | The Texas Tribune

Florida isn’t exactly sitting by, the governor’s idea to totally eliminate resident taxes has overwhelming support.
Ron DeSantis Updates Florida on 2026 Plan for Property Tax Vote - Newsweek

Which state will get it done first? Florida will rely on businesses and tourism taxes. Texas has taken the more streamlined approach. It should be interesting to see who comes first.

I don't think this will ever happen, if it does I will move out of Florida before it happens. DeSantis and Republicans pander to their conservative base. Some state legislator from Miami wants to get rid of hoa's too. Florida state government is the one who needs to be audited. They built a detention camp in the Everglades that is being closed down that is costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars. They are parking a state trooper at the Dunkin Donuts next to the Pulse Nightclub to hassle people putting chalk on a sidewalk.

LianneMigiano 08-30-2025 10:10 AM

Former town taxes were FOUR times higher!
 
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2457593)
You sure about that? You didn't pay tax on your car? You don't pay tax on your meals when you dine out? You didn't pay tax on your computer or phone? You pay no tax on every gallon of gas you buy for your car, or every unit of electricity you use on your EV? Yes, yes you do pay tax on all of that. It's not property tax, but it's tax. You also pay registration fees every year on your car based on weight - it's not called a tax, but that's what it is.

Most things you buy - are taxed.

15 years ago the taxes on our property in CT were $6,000 a year. God forbid what they must be now! The taxes for our home in Sumter County for the coming year here are $1,700. When we moved here our taxes here were around $1,500 yearly. The taxes have gone up about $200 in 15 years! They used to go up that much in ONE year in our former state. Plus they have an income tax. We have saved the difference of at least that much money every year - for 15 years. I would NEVER begrudge the county for these amounts!!!!!

kingofbeer 08-30-2025 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by USOTR (Post 2457632)
Property tax should be dropped for senior citizens who have lived in Florida and filed homestead exception for at least 10 year prior to be coming a senior citizen.

Nope. What about the "disabled" and "disabled vets" who pay zero taxes? Are all of these taxpayers really disabled?

MrFlorida 08-30-2025 12:34 PM

How does Delaware do it ? Extremely low property taxes, and no sales tax....

Pugchief 08-30-2025 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by kingofbeer (Post 2457739)
I don't think this will ever happen, if it does I will move out of Florida before it happens. DeSantis and Republicans pander to their conservative base. Some state legislator from Miami wants to get rid of hoa's too. Florida state government is the one who needs to be audited. They built a detention camp in the Everglades that is being closed down that is costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars. They are parking a state trooper at the Dunkin Donuts next to the Pulse Nightclub to hassle people putting chalk on a sidewalk.

Are you a FL native? If not, why would you move to a state that is run in a manner that you disagree with when there are presumably other places that do?

Pugchief 08-30-2025 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by LianneMigiano (Post 2457744)
15 years ago the taxes on our property in CT were $6,000 a year. God forbid what they must be now! The taxes for our home in Sumter County for the coming year here are $1,700. When we moved here our taxes here were around $1,500 yearly. The taxes have gone up about $200 in 15 years! They used to go up that much in ONE year in our former state. Plus they have an income tax. We have saved the difference of at least that much money every year - for 15 years. I would NEVER begrudge the county for these amounts!!!!!

Hmmm. CT and FL. Why do you suppose that is?

Bill14564 08-30-2025 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2457793)
Are you a FL native? If not, why would you move to a state that is run in a manner that you disagree with when there are presumably other places that do?

Faulty crystal ball. No way of knowing what the future was going to bring.

Pugchief 08-30-2025 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by MrFlorida (Post 2457787)
How does Delaware do it ? Extremely low property taxes, and no sales tax....

They get a lot of revenue from being the state of record for many out of state corporations. And this is starting to change, as some of the rogue judges there have made some extremely business-unfriendly rulings recently, causing many corporations to rethink Delaware and use Texas or others instead.

Normal 08-30-2025 01:13 PM

Moving to Texas, Florida and Nevada
 
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Originally Posted by Pugchief (Post 2457797)
They get a lot of revenue from being the state of record for many out of state corporations. And this is starting to change, as some of the rogue judges there have made some extremely business-unfriendly rulings recently, causing many corporations to rethink Delaware and use Texas or others instead.

Many are fleeing to Texas , Florida and Nevada because of tax laws.
Leaving Delaware: Why Companies Are Moving to Texas, Florida, and Nevada

kkingston57 08-30-2025 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by bowlingal (Post 2457624)
people over 65 should be exempt from paying property tax.

Why? People over 65 still use county/city roads, police fire and ambulance services, libraries, etc

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-30-2025 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by LianneMigiano (Post 2457744)
15 years ago the taxes on our property in CT were $6,000 a year. God forbid what they must be now! The taxes for our home in Sumter County for the coming year here are $1,700. When we moved here our taxes here were around $1,500 yearly. The taxes have gone up about $200 in 15 years! They used to go up that much in ONE year in our former state. Plus they have an income tax. We have saved the difference of at least that much money every year - for 15 years. I would NEVER begrudge the county for these amounts!!!!!

7 years ago our house in Connecticut was taxed at around $2000. Our tax here in Florida is around $1700. Our taxes in Connecticut paid for a LOT more than our taxes pay for down here. Our property in CT was almost half an acre of wooded fenced land, with a full basement, in the suburbs. Our public education system was MUCH better than it is down here. The cost included snowplowing, which isn't needed here. Our town had its own Senior Center surrounded by independent living duplexes exclusively for seniors on a budget. We had free music in the summer, access to the high school olympic-sized swimming pool on weekends during school session and most days of the summer. We had our own police department and fire department, plus a volunteer fire department on top of that. We had our own EMS, beautiful well-kept and safe public parks, a low crime rate, and roads that were (mostly) kept in good condition (snow plows and asphalt don't make good friends). Compare to here, where we have 1/5 acre, no woods, no fence, no basement. Lady Lake doesn't have an actual Senior Center, and we can't use the school pool. Some Lady Lake roads aren't even paved, and some are just one-lane potholes surrounded by crumbling pieces of blacktop. Yeah we definitely got a better deal up north with regards to property tax.

Pugchief 08-30-2025 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2457837)
7 years ago our house in Connecticut was taxed at around $2000. Our tax here in Florida is around $1700. Our taxes in Connecticut paid for a LOT more than our taxes pay for down here. Our property in CT was almost half an acre of wooded fenced land, with a full basement, in the suburbs. Our public education system was MUCH better than it is down here. The cost included snowplowing, which isn't needed here. Our town had its own Senior Center surrounded by independent living duplexes exclusively for seniors on a budget. We had free music in the summer, access to the high school olympic-sized swimming pool on weekends during school session and most days of the summer. We had our own police department and fire department, plus a volunteer fire department on top of that. We had our own EMS, beautiful well-kept and safe public parks, a low crime rate, and roads that were (mostly) kept in good condition (snow plows and asphalt don't make good friends). Compare to here, where we have 1/5 acre, no woods, no fence, no basement. Lady Lake doesn't have an actual Senior Center, and we can't use the school pool. Some Lady Lake roads aren't even paved, and some are just one-lane potholes surrounded by crumbling pieces of blacktop. Yeah we definitely got a better deal up north with regards to property tax.

And you're here why?

And how is it that Lillian (above) was paying $6000 in CT but you were paying only $2000? Unless your place was waaaay smaller. Hard to compare apples to apples unless you're looking at a similar sqft home on a similar lot.

RoseyRed 08-30-2025 06:43 PM

governors' real-estate associates
 
Read an article about the governor and his real-estate associates wanting property taxes to be eliminated. The big real-estate companies will then increase buying up homes in Florida with no property taxes to pay! There is always a closet deal going on to line the pockets of the ultra-wealthy.



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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2457574)
We don't know the details but I would bet big investors who own so much property especially in Tampa would want to be included in this and for all we know lobbied for it.


Pballer 08-30-2025 08:21 PM

If Florida stays true to form, they will eliminate property taxes for homesteaded properties and make up for it by taxing the hell out of the properties owned by non-residents, as well as tourists.

Unruly 08-30-2025 09:26 PM

Is anyone of you really looking at the big picture on taxes?? Explain to me how taxes are increasing every year greater than the inflation rate? Then they increase property taxes on an estimated value of your property? They say your property is worth $$$ so we are taxing you on that amount even though we haven't monetarily gain on that amount. That amount is only realized if we sell our property and make that profit. If you own your property and never sell it, you don't gain anything. These counties around here are making money hand over fist and using the tax money for their pet projects not for essential services.

Bill14564 08-30-2025 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Unruly (Post 2457861)
Is anyone of you really looking at the big picture on taxes?? Explain to me how taxes are increasing every year greater than the inflation rate? Then they increase property taxes on an estimated value of your property? They say your property is worth $$$ so we are taxing you on that amount even though we haven't monetarily gain on that amount. That amount is only realized if we sell our property and make that profit. If you own your property and never sell it, you don't gain anything. These counties around here are making money hand over fist and using the tax money for their pet projects not for essential services.

Why is it too much to ask for posters to do some homework and have a clue what they are talking about before spewing so many words on these boards?

Contrary to what was asserted above, my taxes have *decreased* four of the last five years.

As our individual taxes have decreased, Sumter county revenue has increased due to an increase in the number of taxable properties. Simply put, there are more homes paying tax so the individual taxes is less. And where does that money go, what are the pet projects? Perhaps the poster can do *that* research but a guess would be the increased revenue was spent providing services to the increased number of homes - exactly what might be expect.

Govt can be wasteful and ours is likely no different but a little evidence would go a lot further than blind accusations.


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