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biker1 10-22-2020 05:40 AM
Yes, you are correct today. However, the first 5G iphone12s will be available starting tomorrow (10/23). It may be 4-5 years before 5G becomes as ubiquitous as 4G, and in some areas it may be longer than that. For The Villages, it may eventually provide additional competition for home internet access.

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Originally Posted by lwyoder (Post 1850746)
Breaking news, for all you I phone addicts ,Apple does not have any devices that are 5g capable . Only Android devices have it and yes it is faster

J1ceasar 10-22-2020 06:29 AM
Really some people like my brother-in-law who buys my first toy like a VCR for $1,000. I waited a year and it was $99. 5G in theory is great but will probably take one to two years to cover Central Florida at least. Meanwhile Elon Musk is shooting up satellites every few weeks and we'll have five to ten thousand in the sky in one to two years at that time oh, you will see cable rates crash to $10 a month and you will truly have competition in the United States for Internet service and cable and tv. I predict Elon musk's next trick will be to have his own version of cell phones from the sky bye the year 2025 in the cell phones will become 99-cent items

biker1 10-22-2020 06:48 AM
Most of what you claim is unlikely and wrong. Specifically, the cost of the content is a big part of cable TV costs and that isn’t coming down. If you are content with only the network affiliates then the cost of TV is $0 with an antenna. The cost of internet has remained nearly constant for the last 20 years at about $40 per month (when considering inflation, it has dropped). Expecting the cost to drop by 4x is unrealistic. More likely, the cost will stay about the same or drop slightly with more competition. Case and point, in many parts of The Villages you have 3 choices for internet and the price is still about $40 per month. A new provider, even with much lower costs, is likely to consider the competition in their pricing model. Cellphones are not going to cost 99 cents. In fact, the cost keeps increasing. VCRs did not drop from $1000 to $100 in a year. If took many years for the price to drop that much.

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Really some people like my brother-in-law who buys my first toy like a VCR for $1,000. I waited a year and it was $99. 5G in theory is great but will probably take one to two years to cover Central Florida at least. Meanwhile Elon Musk is shooting up satellites every few weeks and we'll have five to ten thousand in the sky in one to two years at that time oh, you will see cable rates crash to $10 a month and you will truly have competition in the United States for Internet service and cable and tv. I predict Elon musk's next trick will be to have his own version of cell phones from the sky bye the year 2025 in the cell phones will become 99-cent items

kanoa1kale2 10-22-2020 07:25 AM
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Originally Posted by lwyoder (Post 1850746)
Breaking news, for all you I phone addicts ,Apple does not have any devices that are 5g capable . Only Android devices have it and yes it is faster
Incorrect, the iPhone 12's are all 5G compatible.

mulligan 10-22-2020 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by superbat1 (Post 1850523)
Don't know how to quote. We do have many electric poles in the villages, street light poles.
Decorative poles owned by SECO. Even on the remote chance they would allow some kind of attachment, do you suppose they would charge a fortune ??

MandoMan 10-22-2020 08:06 AM
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Here is the T-Mobile map you link to. It shows that 5G is available only for about a half mile of highway 441. Whether or not that is the slow kind of 5G or the fast kind, I don’t know. (The 5G is PURPLE on the map.)

I would really like it to be available everywhere. I just wanted to warn people that it may never be available all over The Villages, and it certainly isn’t now, so don’t be swayed by the ads. It seems that 5G at its best is really fast, but it only has a range of about three hundred yards, and it doesn’t penetrate walls. Maybe it will be possible to put receivers on our walls or roofs and get it inside that way. I don’t know. It won’t work with satellites or cell towers. It works best in densely populated cities with lots of above ground utility poles. I suppose that the wiring for it would be pulled through conduits along the streets, just like the other wires at The Villages. Now there’s a source of income! Renting space for wiring. Would the occasional light pole be enough, as it is now? I don’t think so, but maybe more will be installed. Three hundred yards. Three football fields. I think we would need about three times as many poles as we have now. That could be done, perhaps. But I read that it doesn’t go around corners well. So we could have interesting situations where we have it in the front yard, but not in the back yard.

Sunflower33 10-22-2020 08:43 AM
I have 5g with spectrum. Have had it for almost 2 yesrs

kendi 10-22-2020 09:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1850354)
The answer is no, there won’t. So don’t rush out to buy a new phone with the best 5G connectivity or seek out the company with the best 5G network.

I’ve just read a review of the new Apple iPhone 12 in the NYTimes, and here is what I learned about 5G—no matter what phone you may use.

“Here are the two versions of 5G in a nutshell:

There’s ultrafast 5G, which is called millimeter wave. (Verizon labels it “5G Ultra Wideband.”) It travels very short distances and has trouble penetrating obstacles and walls. That makes it usable in outdoor spaces like street corners or parks, but probably not in our offices or homes anytime soon. Because of that, only tiny slivers of the country now have superfast 5G.

“Then there’s “5G Nationwide,” which is more widely available. It travels much farther, but carriers have said it will be only about 20 percent faster than 4G wireless networks.”

“. . . in San Francisco. While ultrafast 5G relies on access to light poles, most of the city’s utilities infrastructure is underground. Verizon’s progress to deploy 5G has run into red tape, she said.

“When I tested the new iPhones on the vanilla 5G network, any speed improvement was hardly noticeable. In the best cases, vanilla 5G was twice as fast as 4G, or 209 megabits a second compared with 103 megabits on 4G. But in some locations, 5G was slower than 4G. In one part of the Mission district, for instance, 5G speeds reached 28 megabits a second compared with 39 megabits on 4G.”

So, there will never be ultrafast 5G in The Villages because we have underground utilities rather than thousands of poles where the 5G boxes can be installed every hundred yards or so (very unlike cell towers). I think I’m unlikely to ever be anywhere where the fastest version is available, and I don’t think that even the slow version will ever make it to The Villages. So buy a new phone if you want, but NOT because it is set up for 5G.
A non issue imo. Faster is not always better.

Uphillputt330 10-22-2020 10:14 AM
3rd form of 5G
 
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Originally Posted by kendi (Post 1850931)
A non issue imo. Faster is not always better.
In addition to the two forms of 5G there is a 3rd form “mid-range” 5G.

The low form of 5G is not much better, I.e. faster, if at all, from 4G. This is what the carriers are currently showing for nationwide coverage. The carriers can distribute the low-form from existing cellular towers.

The high form mmWave P, with the very high speed that the carriers are showing in demonstrations. It has a very short radius (A city block or two) and cannot penetrate concrete block, etc. It probably will on be in urban areas and corporate campuses.p for the foreseeable future.

There is a third form, a mid-range, that has speeds of 100mb to 900mb, a real improvement over 4G. Its distribution radius from towers is only a quarter or third of 4G, but there is hope that repeaters, similar to WiFi repeaters, will be able to extend the coverage. Carriers are only beginning to distribute the mid-range but the mid-range is where I believe there is real hope, and opportunity, for the future particularly in the Villages. I think it is 2-to-4 years until the mid-range is prevalent.

Mrprez 10-22-2020 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Sunflower33 (Post 1850903)
I have 5g with spectrum. Have had it for almost 2 yesrs
5G WiFi? Or 5G cell phone signal? Two different things.

EdFNJ 10-22-2020 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by lwyoder (Post 1850746)
Breaking news, for all you I phone addicts ,Apple does not have any devices that are 5g capable . Only Android devices have it and yes it is faster
Your news is "broken." All iPhone 12's are 5G.

Altavia 10-25-2020 11:35 AM
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Sharing a quick test on a iPhone 12 that verifies what the experts posted here. Test was line of sight to a cell tower along the turnpike.

EdFNJ 10-25-2020 09:10 PM
93ms latency (lag). That's pretty awful. Poor latency kinda defeats the faster speed. Did you run the test a few times, maybe it was a 1 time fluke? Latency should be around half that. Very surprised. BTW, T-Mo 5G is lowband 5G which is basically just LTE (4G) sped up by 20%. They haven't done any mid or hi band 5G other than in a few blocks in a few major cities.

I get 97Mbps down 20 up (4G LTE) on an old iPhone 7 (latency 48%, ping 20%) on a prepaid carrier Total Wireless, using Verizon towers from my L/R. We likely won't see "real" mid or hi band 5G here in any of our lifetimes. They can put whatever they want on the indicator. :) It's all for the advertising.

Waiting for the iPhone 12 PRO Max to come out. I had sold my 11 while prices were still up.

Altavia 10-25-2020 10:05 PM
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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 1852384)
93ms latency (lag). That's pretty awful. Poor latency kinda defeats the faster speed. Did you run the test a few times, maybe it was a 1 time fluke? Latency should be around half that. Very surprised. BTW, T-Mo 5G is lowband 5G which is basically just LTE (4G) sped up by 20%. They haven't done any mid or hi band 5G other than in a few blocks in a few major cities.

I get 97Mbps down 20 up (4G LTE) on an old iPhone 7 (latency 48%, ping 20%) on a prepaid carrier Total Wireless, using Verizon towers from my L/R. We likely won't see "real" mid or hi band 5G here in any of our lifetimes. They can put whatever they want on the indicator. :) It's all for the advertising.

Waiting for the iPhone 12 PRO Max to come out. I had sold my 11 while prices were still up.
It was a fluke, getting 53ms from my L/R, still not great...

I tend to upgrade while prices are up and for the better camera's.


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