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fdpaq0580 10-19-2023 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Cybersprings (Post 2266628)
As mentioned countless times in this thread, that is a ridiculous comparison not supported by anything other than the posters feelings.

What is ridiculous about accepting responsibility for your actions. You break it, you bought it.

dewilson58 10-19-2023 10:08 AM

Another resource for fun............Florida's Independent Insurance Agents......who have thru this thousands of times:

Could I Be Held Responsible for the Golf Ball Smashing My Window?
Insurance expert Paul Martin said that you could very well be held responsible if you lived on a golf course. Since you assume this extra risk when purchasing a property on a golf course, the insurance company is likely to exclude coverage for any stray golf balls. So, if you buy a house on or near the putting green, just be prepared to cover any related damage yourself.

Chellybean 10-19-2023 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2266634)
Another resource for fun............Florida's Independent Insurance Agents......who have thru this thousands of times:

Could I Be Held Responsible for the Golf Ball Smashing My Window?
Insurance expert Paul Martin said that you could very well be held responsible if you lived on a golf course. Since you assume this extra risk when purchasing a property on a golf course, the insurance company is likely to exclude coverage for any stray golf balls. So, if you buy a house on or near the putting green, just be prepared to cover any related damage yourself.

THATS not what Florida Statute says, when a golfer breaks a window of a property they can call there homeowners policy and it will cover the property damaged!
The property that was damaged has a deductible that usually wont' cover it and furthermore were the heck does the homeowner have to pay for some idi*ts damage. That's not how i was raised, Village entitlement 101 at work unbelievable!!!

dewilson58 10-19-2023 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Chellybean (Post 2266635)
THATS not what Florida Statute says, when a golfer breaks a window of a property they can call there homeowners policy and it will cover the property damaged!
The property that was damaged has a deductible that usually wont' cover it and furthermore were the heck does the homeowner have to pay for some idi*ts damage. That's not how i was raised, Village entitlement 101 at work unbelievable!!!

Oh Bean.............I never said anything about Florida Statute.

Of course they can call their agent.
Two errors in your statement: (1) "they" can't call a policy; (2) It's their, not there.

Breath, Breath.

fdpaq0580 10-19-2023 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2266632)
Well, actually golfers are not licensed like car drivers. There is no test of, “Can you hit well enough so we can trust you to play?”

Swimmers at the beach or lake aren't licensed, shoppers in stores aren't licensed, on and on. Personal responsibility for one's actions. You break it, you bought it. Honest, ethical and responsible individuals take responsibility for their actions. Makes me wonder about some of the folks that think they can destroy something with impunity as long as they do it with a golf ball and club.

ldj1938 10-19-2023 10:31 AM

Protection on the golf course
 
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Originally Posted by zummy (Post 2266047)
Our bedroom window was broken by an errant golf ball

Here's my protection. Also for 'çanes or severe storms. Same system we used in south Florida. We also put up a screen to protect our lanai windows. Cheap wood frame and screen ing. We've had golf balls on the side and front of our house. You can hear them hit the roof.

ldj1938 10-19-2023 10:41 AM

Protection from golf balls and storms
 
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[QUOTE=ldj1938;2266646]Here's my protection. Also for 'çanes or severe storms. Same system we used in south Florida. We also put up a screen to protect our lanai windows. Cheap wood frame and screen ing. We've had golf balls on the side and front of our house. You can hear them hit the roof. When I get enough collected I go to the driving range.

Bill14564 10-19-2023 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Chellybean (Post 2266635)
THATS not what Florida Statute says, when a golfer breaks a window of a property they can call there homeowners policy and it will cover the property damaged!
The property that was damaged has a deductible that usually wont' cover it and furthermore were the heck does the homeowner have to pay for some idi*ts damage. That's not how i was raised, Village entitlement 101 at work unbelievable!!!

Please post that Florida Statute. (I was unable to find anything like that) As I saw in a previous post:

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Originally Posted by Chellybean (Post 2266622)
... i just hate when someone states fact as law and doesn't know what they are talking about. ...


justjim 10-19-2023 11:39 AM

My post will not change anybody’s mind about a window broken by a golfer on a golf course. Legally you may not be responsible for repairing the residents window. I say “may not” because I did read of a court case (I can’t imagine going to court for a broken window) where the court decided that a golfer was responsible for an errant golf ball that did property damage to property off the golf course. But for purposes of my post I will say you are not legally responsible for replacing a window on a house along a course in The Villages unless you could prove “negligence” on the part of a golfer. That said, how much does a window cost? Full disclosure: I have never damaged anybody’s property that is build adjacent but off golf course property. If I did, I would apologize and offer to pay for the damage to the property out of my pocket because I would feel morally responsible, if not legally responsible, to do so. How much would a window cost? With all that is happening in the world today, a broken window is the least of our issues but to each his own choosing.

dewilson58 10-19-2023 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 2266664)
That said, how much does a window cost?
How much would a window cost?

If you really want to know.............you could Google....................$15 to $5k

golfing eagles 10-19-2023 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by asianthree (Post 2266569)
No one with any common sense would file a claim for under $200. One would either pay for it or walk away with the thoughts that you back up to a golf course expect golf balls to hit your house. There are screens that can provide some protection.

That said, there is a house on a course that shall not be named, whose window has broken by a golf ball for about 5 months. Owner comes out screaming (mid 80s or above) you broke my window.

Now did their ball actually hit the window that has been broken for months or hit the house and owner is holding out for multiple events?

Destin #4??????

golfing eagles 10-19-2023 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Chellybean (Post 2266635)
THATS not what Florida Statute says, when a golfer breaks a window of a property they can call there homeowners policy and it will cover the property damaged!
The property that was damaged has a deductible that usually wont' cover it and furthermore were the heck does the homeowner have to pay for some idi*ts damage. That's not how i was raised, Village entitlement 101 at work unbelievable!!!

Everything you have posted on this thread is wrong. Stay down, champ---it's not your day :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Whitley 10-19-2023 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2266093)
Not the golfer's fault. He just hit a bad shot. It happens. The OP's claim that the golfer's insurance company should pay is ridiculous.

But his bad shot broke a window on private property (I always wondered why anyone would want a home on a golf course. Waking up at 0700 on a Saturday hearing people playinmg golf.)). I do not know the law but would think that logic says if you hit your shot off of the course through a homes window you would be at fault. When I attempted to play many many years ago at Tuxedo Park, I drove off the course and cracked a car windshield. A car driving on the road. I paid for that one (The road was built after the course.). What would the rules say about that?

Whitley 10-19-2023 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2266634)
Another resource for fun............Florida's Independent Insurance Agents......who have thru this thousands of times:

Could I Be Held Responsible for the Golf Ball Smashing My Window?
Insurance expert Paul Martin said that you could very well be held responsible if you lived on a golf course. Since you assume this extra risk when purchasing a property on a golf course, the insurance company is likely to exclude coverage for any stray golf balls. So, if you buy a house on or near the putting green, just be prepared to cover any related damage yourself.

That still doesn't answer the question clearly. They could be talking about a broken window "IF the golfer who hit the ball is not known". No?

NewRealms 10-19-2023 01:20 PM

I lived on a golf course and loved it. There is a cost though. Believe it or not there are golfers who hook or slice. Our patio enclosure was a constant victim of bad form but I LOVED where I lived.

retiredguy123 10-19-2023 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Chellybean (Post 2266635)
THATS not what Florida Statute says, when a golfer breaks a window of a property they can call there homeowners policy and it will cover the property damaged!
The property that was damaged has a deductible that usually wont' cover it and furthermore were the heck does the homeowner have to pay for some idi*ts damage. That's not how i was raised, Village entitlement 101 at work unbelievable!!!

Then, how do you explain why a pro golfer on the tour is not responsible for injuries they cause to a spectator? Even if the spectator signs a waiver, it would not supercede a Florida statute or law if it existed.

Cybersprings 10-19-2023 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2266633)
What is ridiculous about accepting responsibility for your actions. You break it, you bought it.

Reading comprehension is important. My post stated that the comparison was ridiculous not accepting responsibility for your actions. If reading some of these ridiculous posts insulting everyone who does not agree with their positions caused someone's blood pressure to rise and have a heart attack or stroke, would they be willing to accept involuntary manslaughter responsibility plus financial responsibility. They wrote it. It caused the result. Or maybe the way the were raised would suddenly magically change.

justjim 10-19-2023 02:26 PM

Twice we lived on championship golf courses. My wife loved it and I looked at our purchase as a good investment and also enjoyed living on a golf course. It goes without saying anyone purchasing a home on a golf course should do their due diligence as to location on the course. In the years we lived on golf courses, we never had any property damage. If you purchase on a golf course and don’t do your due diligence, expect issues with golf balls and golfers. A bit off the subject, sorry but I hope its helpful for future reference if you plan to purchase or build on a TV golf course.

chris38wise 10-19-2023 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2266072)
OP, why don't you be a responsible adult and accept that you live on a golf course and the golfer was just playing golf? It was not his fault.

Just because someone is not at fault in an accident does not mean you are not responsible.

dewilson58 10-19-2023 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2266686)
That still doesn't answer the question clearly. They could be talking about a broken window "IF the golfer who hit the ball is not known". No?

No.

golfing eagles 10-19-2023 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by chris38wise (Post 2266723)
Just because someone is not at fault in an accident does not mean you are not responsible.

Actually, that's backwards. In Florida, the golfer could be considered at fault since he hit the golf ball. But the homeowner who knowingly bought on the course has assumed all responsibility.

retiredguy123 10-19-2023 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by chris38wise (Post 2266723)
Just because someone is not at fault in an accident does not mean you are not responsible.

Would you feel the same way if the ball went through the window, hit someone on the head, and they sued you for $50 million?

fdpaq0580 10-19-2023 09:38 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2266729)
Actually, that's backwards. In Florida, the golfer could be considered at fault since he hit the golf ball. But the homeowner who knowingly bought on the course has assumed all responsibility.

Nonsense! Just because you know the odds of having a ball hit your property are higher by living nearer the course, doesn't mean you accept the irresponsibility on the part of poor golfers. That is like saying a person who parks their car at the curb assumes all responsibility if someone crashes into their car while stationary and parked near the roadway.

Jeanne wilson 10-19-2023 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MrChip72 (Post 2266086)
Sounds about right. I've had more than a few occasions where myself or someone in my golf group hit someone's home with their ball. I feel like 9 times out of 10 we would have no idea if we broke a window. It's not like the window would normally make a loud shatter noise like you would see in a movie.

Would we trespass to assess the damage, or retrieve the ball? Never.

They know if they broke a window! Someone broke the largest window in my condo. I went outside and looked at a man and he admitted to breaking it. Cost him nearly $4,000.00. He was a gentlemen about it...Thankfully!

dewilson58 10-20-2023 05:16 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2266796)
Nonsense! Just because.

Re-read the post...............you don't understand the statement.

dewilson58 10-20-2023 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Jeanne wilson (Post 2266800)
They know if they broke a window! Someone broke the largest window in my condo. I went outside and looked at a man and he admitted to breaking it. Cost him nearly $4,000.00. He was a gentlemen about it...Thankfully!

That must have been one-mean look.

:pepper2::pepper2:

Rosethorn 10-20-2023 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by NewRealms (Post 2266687)
I lived on a golf course and loved it. There is a cost though. Believe it or not there are golfers who hook or slice. Our patio enclosure was a constant victim of bad form but I LOVED where I lived.

Why did you move?

Btw, we just bought a house in The Villages on the Tarpon Boil (Executive) Course.

I’m hoping that we don’t get hit with TOO many errant balls.

Bilyclub 10-20-2023 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2266796)
Nonsense! Just because you know the odds of having a ball hit your property are higher by living nearer the course, doesn't mean you accept the irresponsibility on the part of poor golfers. That is like saying a person who parks their car at the curb assumes all responsibility if someone crashes into their car while stationary and parked near the roadway.


Higher? How about guaranteed that a house on a golf course will be hit by a ball. That's about the third time somebody used the auto scenario in this thread. Still doesn't change the legalities on a golf course.

fdpaq0580 10-20-2023 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2266815)
That must have been one-mean look.

:pepper2::pepper2:

Not necessarily. Some people are honest and will take responsibility for their actions and pay to repair or replace what they damage.

dewilson58 10-20-2023 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2266959)
Not necessarily. Some people are honest and will take responsibility for their actions and pay to repair or replace what they damage.

humor sheldon, humor.

fdpaq0580 10-20-2023 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilyclub (Post 2266853)
Higher? How about guaranteed that a house on a golf course will be hit by a ball. That's about the third time somebody used the auto scenario in this thread. Still doesn't change the legalities on a golf course.

Death and taxes are the only things absolutely guaranteed, or so I've been told.

fdpaq0580 10-20-2023 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2266961)
humor sheldon, humor.

I got the humor. I guess I should have acknowledged it.

By the way, the name is Fred. You have me confused with someone named Sheldon.

Have a great day.

Whitley 10-20-2023 12:27 PM

Are golfers responsible for broken windows in Florida?
Golfers are responsible for the damage they cause to your home. That's fine, if the golfer owns up to hitting a ball through your picture window, but often the culprit will just move on down the fairway, whistling as if nothing ever happened.

Insuring Florida's Golf Course Homes - Carli Insurance Agency Address: 2680 W Lake Mary Blvd, Lake Mary, FL 32746

Phone: (407) 322-3600

golfing eagles 10-20-2023 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2266974)
Are golfers responsible for broken windows in Florida?
Golfers are responsible for the damage they cause to your home. That's fine, if the golfer owns up to hitting a ball through your picture window, but often the culprit will just move on down the fairway, whistling as if nothing ever happened.

Insuring Florida's Golf Course Homes - Carli Insurance Agency Address: 2680 W Lake Mary Blvd, Lake Mary, FL 32746

Phone: (407) 322-3600

What makes you think golfers are responsible? I suggest you read my post from the Florida Supreme Court decision as well as other lower courts.

dewilson58 10-20-2023 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Whitley (Post 2266974)
Are golfers responsible for broken windows in Florida?
Golfers are responsible for the damage they cause to your home. That's fine, if the golfer owns up to hitting a ball through your picture window, but often the culprit will just move on down the fairway, whistling as if nothing ever happened.

Insuring Florida's Golf Course Homes - Carli Insurance Agency Address: 2680 W Lake Mary Blvd, Lake Mary, FL 32746

Phone: (407) 322-3600

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Carl's website is selling, not informing.

:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

CoachKandSportsguy 10-20-2023 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by zummy (Post 2266047)
Our bedroom window was broken by an errant golf ball

Must be a new retiree, who hasn't had time to practice enough prior to retirement.

I've hit shrubs, roofs, over roofs, into roads, front doors, but windows? that's beyond responsible golfing. .

dewilson58 10-20-2023 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2266999)
Must be a new retiree, who hasn't had time to practice enough prior to retirement.

I've hit shrubs, roofs, over roofs, into roads, front doors, but windows? that's beyond responsible golfing. .

That's not easy.
Great shot!!!

golfing eagles 10-20-2023 03:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2267014)
That's not easy.
Great shot!!!

Bounced it off the windshield of the car parked in the driveway :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

bilcon 10-22-2023 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2266087)
I'll bet $100, he also has a "No Trespassing" sign ... if not, the sign says: "No Looking for Balls".

If you read the Villages Golf Etiquette Rules you would know:

Do not enter private property to look for or retrieve your golf ball.

I live on the golf course and love it, until someone starts walking through my flower beds looking for a ball. That's a no no!

bilcon 10-22-2023 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2266977)
What makes you think golfers are responsible? I suggest you read my post from the Florida Supreme Court decision as well as other lower courts.

There are legal laws and moral laws. I broke a window once and notified the homeowner. I said I would pay for it, although I was not legally responsible. I thought it was the right thing to do. We ended up splitting the cost. (Legal vs Moral)


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