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Topspinmo 12-29-2020 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1879070)
I don' know that the turns made in an out of round abouts qualify as "sharp". In fact it seems just the opposite to me. Ninety degree turns at intersections are sharp. The turns made in round abouts are not close to ninety degrees.

It not sharp, it speed and centrifugal force.

vintageogauge 12-29-2020 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1878925)
Maybe you’re not aggressive driver as some?

The OP didn't state they were aggressive and I am probably a tad more aggressive on the turns than most but in a careful way. I also never get my tires rotated, over the years there were several Cadillacs I owned that had different size tires front and rear that did not call for rotation and ever since then I stopped doing it to all of my cars. I drive my cars around 36,000 miles and then trade them in and have not come close to needing tires in decades. I do keep the pressure where it should be and check the them regularly. I also might add that I don't even remember the last time I had to have an alignment.

Topspinmo 12-29-2020 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1878995)
Driving around a circle doesnt affect tires or everyone would have to drive on only straight roads with no turns.


Why’d do you think race care tires wear out? Speed and centrifugal force.

Topspinmo 12-29-2020 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Girlcopper (Post 1878995)
Driving around a circle doesnt affect tires or everyone would have to drive on only straight roads with no turns.

You’re joking right.

Topspinmo 12-29-2020 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by mike1946 (Post 1878953)
What a load of rubbish re-tyre wear. We have roundabouts everywhere in the UK and some that would blow your mind (Google the magic roundabout - not the TV show - there's one in Swindon and another in Hemel Hempstead) and after driving here for 50 odd years the tyre wear is due to tracking mis-allignment and tyre pressure. By the way the word is Tyre not Tire ... Tire means getting fatigued ..the Y is there to differentiate the meanings ...just saying.


I’ve drove in England and roundabouts are not as curvy as on BV or MB. And where they where you could not speed through them.

Two Bills 12-29-2020 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Dr Winston O Boogie jr (Post 1879070)
I don' know that the turns made in an out of round abouts qualify as "sharp". In fact it seems just the opposite to me. Ninety degree turns at intersections are sharp. The turns made in round abouts are not close to ninety degrees.

If you read what I wrote, that is what I said!

Two Bills 12-29-2020 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1879083)
I’ve drove in England and roundabouts are not as curvy as on BV or MB. And where they where you could not speed through them.

You never met a mini roundabout?
They don't get any curvier than them!

Topspinmo 12-29-2020 09:07 AM

Bottom line, if rubber tires are rotating with weight on them they are wearing. If you want them to last, check tire pressure monthly, rotate them, and don’t speed, especially going around corners.

Topspinmo 12-29-2020 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1879088)
You never met a mini roundabout?
They don't get any curvier than them!

But, can you speed through them?

Topspinmo 12-29-2020 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by vintageogauge (Post 1879077)
The OP didn't state they were aggressive and I am probably a tad more aggressive on the turns than most but in a careful way. I also never get my tires rotated, over the years there were several Cadillacs I owned that had different size tires front and rear that did not call for rotation and ever since then I stopped doing it to all of my cars. I drive my cars around 36,000 miles and then trade them in and have not come close to needing tires in decades. I do keep the pressure where it should be and check the them regularly. I also might add that I don't even remember the last time I had to have an alignment.

You don’t keep car long enough to replace anything. Those of us that expect to get 60K plus out of tires do what recommended in owners manual.

Polar Bear 12-29-2020 09:16 AM

Driving a bit aggressively through the roundabouts will probably turn a 50k mile tire into a 48k mile tire. I can live with that.

Two Bills 12-29-2020 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1879091)
But, can you speed through them?

Absolutely!
They have no raised circle, just a painted one.
Roundabouts do not damage tires.

carpej 12-29-2020 09:30 AM

I am falling off of my chair laughing.......Thank you for that.
 
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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1878810)
That is why I propose: Traffic in roundabouts go counter-clockwise on odd days, clockwise on even days.


:a040:

I am still laughing..........

Tankerrich 12-29-2020 09:42 AM

Fill with nitrogen instead of air.

biker1 12-29-2020 09:52 AM

That will not accomplish anything except perhaps making your wallet lighter. Air is 78% nitrogen. The 21% oxygen, plus 1% trace gases, will not have a measurable impact on your tires.

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Originally Posted by Tankerrich (Post 1879123)
Fill with nitrogen instead of air.


Topspinmo 12-29-2020 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 1879102)
Absolutely!
They have no raised circle, just a painted one.
Roundabouts do not damage tires.

Funny thing when I when to get MOT they said tires are worn? I stopped going to Bicester tires and muffler:)

Topspinmo 12-29-2020 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1879101)
Driving a bit aggressively through the roundabouts will probably turn a 50k mile tire into a 48k mile tire. I can live with that.

You’re aggressively might not be as aggressively as some.

Curtisbwp 12-29-2020 10:56 AM

Will the round abouts or rotery ware my tires more than the numerous roterys where i come from? I dont think so

DAVES 12-29-2020 11:44 AM

Endless opinion debate.
Tires-on your car I expect almost all of us have radials and front wheel drive. Warranty,
it says, you are sold a 70,000 mile warranty. Reality, if you read the deal, it is based on list price and is prorated base on wear. No one pays list price and the prorated warranty means any value expires long before the stated 70,000.
Front wheel drive. The front tires carry more weight, wear from engine power, wear from steering, wear from braking-the due to the fact that when you brake the weight shifts forward-you are opposing momentum, and often due to impacts etc the front tires are no longer properly aligned.
Nitrogen-nitrogen as a gas has less volume change, pressure change than the mix we call air. You pay extra for nitrogen. You take your car in for service and they top off the pressure. OOPS did they add nitrogen or the air from the hose laying around. You get a flat. You call ????? service. They plug the tire, the nitrogen has leaked out, they will fill it with air. You cannot get all the air out and refill it with nitrogen. It does work-IF.
Rotating your tires.
OPINION-mine. I have my tires rotated front to back and then back to front keeping the tire on the same side of the car. The typical pattern where you cross from side to side,
you case the cross over tire to revolve in the opposite direction from what it was doing.
It can cause failure. It used to be more common than today but I've had tires fail due to this.
Tires have gotten far more expensive than they used to be. They are also far better for handling, service life etc. In the 60's and 70's 20,000 miles was typical. Today 50,000 plus.

OhioBuckeye 12-29-2020 12:16 PM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by lambstuff (Post 1878758)
Learned something today, make sure you rotate your tires as the villages roundabouts cause excessive wear on the front tires and to occasionally check for wear.

Glad to hear someone knows this. Very good point! You would be surprised how many people don’t ever check their engine oil either.

biker1 12-29-2020 12:37 PM

Some stuff here that is wrong. The impact of nitrogen vs. air is minimal because air is 78% nitrogen. It is a profit making upsell to the uninformed. If you have a race car or a plane then you might be able to make a reasonable case for nitrogen. For daily drivers, nope. Regarding rotation, unless the tires are directional tires or the manufacturer specifically doesn't recommend cross-over rotation patterns, a cross-over rotation pattern is fine. I have specifically asked Michelin about this and I have been doing it for decades when I haven't bought directional tires.

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 1879201)
Nitrogen-nitrogen as a gas has less volume change, pressure change than the mix we call air. You pay extra for nitrogen. You take your car in for service and they top off the pressure. OOPS did they add nitrogen or the air from the hose laying around. You get a flat. You call ????? service. They plug the tire, the nitrogen has leaked out, they will fill it with air. You cannot get all the air out and refill it with nitrogen. It does work-IF.

Rotating your tires.
OPINION-mine. I have my tires rotated front to back and then back to front keeping the tire on the same side of the car. The typical pattern where you cross from side to side,
you case the cross over tire to revolve in the opposite direction from what it was doing.
It can cause failure. It used to be more common than today but I've had tires fail due to this.


Polar Bear 12-29-2020 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1879164)
You’re aggressively might not be as aggressively as some.

I'll put my aggressively up against anybody's aggressively. :D Still not concerned about any additional tire wear. :)

Byte1 12-29-2020 01:02 PM

I usually only go around the circle once to get to the exit I wish. Some folks get on the circle and get lost, causing them to circle around about 50 times or more. I can see how they would have problems with their tires wearing on one side.:gc:

chrisinva 12-29-2020 04:16 PM

ka - BOOM!

retiredguy123 12-29-2020 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Byte1 (Post 1879235)
I usually only go around the circle once to get to the exit I wish. Some folks get on the circle and get lost, causing them to circle around about 50 times or more. I can see how they would have problems with their tires wearing on one side.:gc:

50 times or more? Wow! I hope that's an exaggeration.

Topspinmo 12-29-2020 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1879233)
I'll put my aggressively up against anybody's aggressively. :D Still not concerned about any additional tire wear. :)


So you lease?

SugarBear 12-30-2020 10:54 PM

Front tire wear exceeding the rear tires has to do with not balancing the tires, not the traffic circles.
If you think about it, the front tires are rotating on an axis going around a turn whilst the rear tires are still trying to go straight around the turn.

Polar Bear 12-31-2020 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1879372)
So you lease?

Heheh. Nope. I just know that tire wear due to roundabouts is not enough above normal tire wear to be concerned. :)

SacDQ 12-31-2020 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1878810)
that is why i propose: traffic in roundabouts go counter-clockwise on odd days, clockwise on even days.


:a040:

lmao

dewilson58 12-31-2020 02:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SacDQ (Post 1880309)
lmao

Sarcasm Sheldon, sarcasm. :ohdear:

Topspinmo 01-01-2021 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1880296)
Heheh. Nope. I just know that tire wear due to roundabouts is not enough above normal tire wear to be concerned. :)

So, gravity and speed has nothing to do with it? I alway wonder why circle track cars replaced all those not worn tires.

Topspinmo 01-01-2021 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by SugarBear (Post 1880018)
Front tire wear exceeding the rear tires has to do with not balancing the tires, not the traffic circles.
If you think about it, the front tires are rotating on an axis going around a turn whilst the rear tires are still trying to go straight around the turn.

If you take corner too fast the first tires that slides are the front due to centrifugal force, then the back tire come around. The front tires are taking all the force when cornering. Why rotation recommended especially on front wheel drive cars.

dewilson58 01-01-2021 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1880652)
If you take corner too fast the first tires that slides are the front due to centrifugal force, then the back tire come around. The front tires are taking all the force when cornering. Why rotation recommended especially on front wheel drive cars.

:bigbow:

Polar Bear 01-01-2021 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1880649)
So, gravity and speed has nothing to do with it?...

Your words. Not mine. I never said that.

CoachKandSportsguy 01-01-2021 06:51 PM

LOL! on rotating tires on a front wheel drive car! I have driven front wheel drive cars since 1980, and never rotated tires once. All cars were driven at least 120K-140K miles.

Fact: front wheel drive cars front tires wear out faster than the rear wheel tires, by a ratio of between 3 to 5 x.
Fact: you can't change that wear ratio by rotating tires.

Rotating tires just evens out the wear so that you buy 4 new tires at the same time.
Not rotating tires means that you wear out the front tires, and replace only the front tires.

The killer is all wheel drive all the time. The front and rear do not wear at the same rate due to turning, and to any differential issues in keeping the turning rates identical. So frequent rotation is highly recommended. I did not rotate the subaru tires frequently enough, and never got more than 40K miles out of a 60K rated tire, either front or back.

I do not recommend driving all wheel drive cars in florida

Topspinmo 01-01-2021 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 1880803)
LOL! on rotating tires on a front wheel drive car! I have driven front wheel drive cars since 1980, and never rotated tires once. All cars were driven at least 120K-140K miles.

Fact: front wheel drive cars front tires wear out faster than the rear wheel tires, by a ratio of between 3 to 5 x.
Fact: you can't change that wear ratio by rotating tires.

Rotating tires just evens out the wear so that you buy 4 new tires at the same time.
Not rotating tires means that you wear out the front tires, and replace only the front tires.

The killer is all wheel drive all the time. The front and rear do not wear at the same rate due to turning, and to any differential issues in keeping the turning rates identical. So frequent rotation is highly recommended. I did not rotate the subaru tires frequently enough, and never got more than 40K miles out of a 60K rated tire, either front or back.

I do not recommend driving all wheel drive cars in florida

So, you wore out a lot of tires?

I have never worn out tire since I was 21. I had to replace them due to age and cracks in side walls.

Fact: there reason some are coaches and some are mechanics.

bob47 01-01-2021 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SugarBear (Post 1880018)
Front tire wear exceeding the rear tires has to do with not balancing the tires, not the traffic circles.
If you think about it, the front tires are rotating on an axis going around a turn whilst the rear tires are still trying to go straight around the turn.

This is not exactly true. Steering linkage is designed so that all four tires are following the circumference of a circle and the four circles have different radii. If you want to understand how this works, google "Ackermann steering geometry".


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