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Petersweeney 04-23-2021 07:26 AM
Just use the phone silly - why give apple more money for an app you already have?

RICH1 04-23-2021 07:31 AM
Had TRACKR for years...stays in my car.....

Bay Kid 04-23-2021 07:32 AM
Wish I had that for my last wife.

Annaq 04-23-2021 07:42 AM
I agree with your wife and when is (in the 70’s) old? If you said she had dementia or some other problem then tracker her but she should know how to call you if she gets lost. I am 82 and I wouldn’t like someone tracking me.

MoNonnon 04-23-2021 07:45 AM
Thank you for that info. I think that Apple tracker is a great device...we plan on putting one in the cart. People do steal wherever you live....I could care less if my car had one and can be tracked by my husband. I have nothing to hide🤷🏼*♀️ I see it as a safety issue. As long as we both agree and know it’s there.

photo1902 04-23-2021 07:50 AM
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Originally Posted by davephan (Post 1933981)
The Airtags aren’t stealth at all, and alert the criminal who steals the car that they being tracked, and even makes a sound to identify the location of the Airtag, to assist the criminal to quickly find the Airtag. That makes it totally worthless to use to track a vehicle if it’s stolen. Perhaps Apple thinks it’s more important to assist and protect criminals than honest citizens.

The Tile could track a stolen car in a stealth manner. But the Tile would be dependent on other Tile users than anonymously assist in the tracking in a stealth manner.

There’s a YouTube video that tests using the Tile to protect a stolen bicycle. They attached a Tile to a bicycle and left the bicycle in a place where it could be stolen. It took about one week for the stolen bicycle to be found, until another random Tile user happened to pass near the stolen bicycle.

Using Tile is a cheap way to track a stolen car, but not very effective. If you need to be able to track a stolen car more reliably, then you’d need to attach a real GPS tracking device to that car, and pay for the GPS tracking monthly subscription cost.

They do make GPS tracking devices for medium to large dogs that could be used to track humans. Those GPS tracking devices could be placed in a jacket pocket, but wouldn’t be very stealth.

Another idea would be to give the elderly person with memory problems an iWatch. They could use the iWatch as a watch, and you could use their iWatch to track them. The situations where there are Silver Alerts for missing elderly people could have quickly be ended without issuing a Silver Alert, if the elderly person had been wearing an iWatch that could be tracked.

The privacy issues might be a concern. But millions of people are currently being spied on and tracked now by cellphone applications by companies like Google and Facebook, without your knowledge or consent. Those companies might also be eavesdropping on your conversations when you are talking, when not making phone calls. So, right now, most people don’t really have privacy.
AirTags weren’t designed to track stolen items. They were designed and marketed to help locate lost items.

Your statement about Apple thinking it more important to assist criminals is ludicrous, to say the least.

davephan 04-23-2021 07:51 AM
There’s some truth about Apple caring more to protect criminals. Just look at the history of Apple refusing to assist the police when the police needed Apple to help them in criminal cases. Apple cares more about the privacy of the criminals, than the honest citizens and victims of crime.

We use the Tiles to easily find things like keys, wallets, purses, and other important things around the house. The Tiles pay for themselves very quickly from avoiding the frustration of looking for things for a long time.

But most frequently, we use the option on our iWatches that makes the cellphones ding loudly. It’s very quick to find the misplaced iPhone around the house, using our iWatches!

The huge breakthrough in tracker is making them small enough to embed them inside of eyeglasses. That’s an idea worth billions of dollars. Eyeglasses get misplaced around the house all the time!

DAVES 04-23-2021 08:01 AM
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Originally Posted by DavidCovid (Post 1933559)
Apple just announced a new tracking device called AirTag which is the size of a coin, can be attached to almost any item and allows an Apple user the ability to track the exact location of the AirTag and the item it's attached to.

The next time my mother-in-law stays with us here in The Villages and since The Villages is so large and confusing, I strongly suggested to my wife to attach the Apple tracking device to her mother since her mother is in her 70's. In the past, I used to slip an old I-Phone inside my golf cart when my mother-in-law traveled by herself and used the location finder app to at least track the golf cart when she traveled solo.

My wife believes this is an invasion of privacy and I believe its a safety issue.
Any suggestion to convince my wife ?
These devices are not new. Apple has just made it available to the mass market.

As to marriage counseling I do not do that.

However, to quote my dad-If, you understand your wife you are wrong. Even if you are right, it will change before you realize it. You can try yes, dear. But to her you said you agree. Reality, you said stop bothering me with this ...............

allsport 04-23-2021 08:24 AM
Perfect for dementia patients that get out of their homes unnoticed.

DavidCovid 04-23-2021 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Petersweeney (Post 1933996)
Just use the phone silly - why give apple more money for an app you already have?
Thank You for your reply -
I have previously used an old i-phone left in the golf cart when my MIL leaves on her own in the golf cart, but the new Apple tracking device is very small, easily concealed and doesn't require daily charging like an iPhone does.

Not to upset anyone with their conspiracy concerns, but my main objective is the safety of the individual who requires additional help. Unfortunately, we all will become old one day and unfortunately memory lost is "SOMETIMES" one of the drawbacks that comes with older age.

kanoa1kale2 04-23-2021 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by tvbound (Post 1933611)
Without approval of the human being tracked, stalking is still stalking, regardless of the contrived reasoning.
I think there are instances where approval should not be required. I've seen a number of early onset dementia cases where this would come in quite handy for safety reasons. In those cases, approval by those being tracked is really irrelevant since they likely won't remember giving permission anyhow.

stebooo 04-23-2021 09:58 AM
Is your mil senile? If not shame. How old are you 70 is not old.

Triplesmobility 04-23-2021 10:05 AM
invasion of privacy yes... but its a great safty tool. I don't think she really has anything to hide... or does she? :) I would do it but of course tell her.

bluecenturian 04-23-2021 10:08 AM
I caution you to get the persons permission first. In Florida it is a Felony to place a tracking device on anything in possession of another without permission. This includes phones you own but are under the normal control of another.

Gulfcoast 04-23-2021 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Road-Runner (Post 1933564)
Only with their permission. Ask her, she might appreciate your concern about her well-being!
This. "Mom this is a big place and it's easy to get turned around here. Why don't you put this in your purse and that way if you get turned around it'll make it easier for us to find you."

photo1902 04-23-2021 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by bluecenturian (Post 1934127)
I caution you to get the persons permission first. In Florida it is a Felony to place a tracking device on anything in possession of another without permission. This includes phones you own but are under the normal control of another.
Second degree misdemeanor, but I get your point. There are provision in the law that allow for tracking devices to be used for people who are elderly or disabled, with a doctors certification.

GrumpyOldMan 04-23-2021 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by mlmarr1 (Post 1933921)
You trust apple tracker.....anything from apple is not trustworthy
I would be interested in why you say this. What is it based on?

I have been re registered developer with Apple since 1985, and I can say that I have never seen anything negative about Apple.

So, not trying to be argumentative, just curious about what has happened to you personally that would make you take that position.

DavidCovid 04-23-2021 11:32 AM
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Originally Posted by bluecenturian (Post 1934127)
I caution you to get the persons permission first. In Florida it is a Felony to place a tracking device on anything in possession of another without permission. This includes phones you own but are under the normal control of another.
I'll take my chances.

Whats the old saying. I'd rather go to trial with six jurors rather than my MIL be carried by six at her funeral because she fell into a ditch, lake or hit by a car in traffic as she was lost and confused.

GrumpyOldMan 04-23-2021 11:37 AM
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Originally Posted by davephan (Post 1934019)
There’s some truth about Apple caring more to protect criminals. Just look at the history of Apple refusing to assist the police when the police needed Apple to help them in criminal cases. Apple cares more about the privacy of the criminals, than the honest citizens and victims of crime.
I am sorry you feel this way, would it matter if it was YOUR phone that Apple was giving access to the police?

Apple's position has been clear and public, not just criminals, everyones privacy matters. Other companies take much more cavalier attitude with YOUR data and privacy. So far, no one has demonstrated that Apple has a leaning toward protecting criminals more than anyone else

Oh, and there is this little think about innocent until proven guilty. The cases where Apple refused to work with the police or FBI, were cases where the person had NOT been convicted yet.

Funny how when the FBI goes after a presidential candidate with only circumstantial evidence it is a conspiracy, but when the FBI wants access to citizens private data, well that is okay.

nevjudbaker 04-23-2021 12:05 PM
With the kidnapping & human trafficking in todays world I would put a tracker on my kid. I wouldn't tell them because if they put themselves in a unknownly dangerous position they might take it off prior to the unknown danger so their parents can't see where they went. Then danger hits & they are screwed.

GrumpyOldMan 04-23-2021 12:08 PM
Simple smart phone provides the same protection.

Velvet 04-23-2021 12:58 PM
Some of the suggestions sound funny to me, why would MIL resent being tracked? And not grateful instead for people being concerned about her safety.... how many people living alone would give anything for someone to care in the first place. That is unless she is a career criminal with a vested interest in being invisible. ;)

nancyre 04-23-2021 01:30 PM
WOW - FYI human tracker are used all the time for wander issues both old & young. Our friend had the tracker function on his wife phone because she is directionally challenged. But when he called us in the car (I was driving) and told us exactly where we where I told her to leave her phone at home when with me. FYI - I am NOT directionally challenged and I have GPS on my phone & car. I do not need to be tracked. But she loves it when she gets lost. I Consided putting a tile on my cousin's key chain who was starting to have dementia but never did it. If the person is just directionally challenged - then it needs to be a choice and they should be aware. If it is a medical need for safety that is another thing.

Rodneysblue 04-23-2021 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidCovid (Post 1933559)
Apple just announced a new tracking device called AirTag which is the size of a coin, can be attached to almost any item and allows an Apple user the ability to track the exact location of the AirTag and the item it's attached to.

The next time my mother-in-law stays with us here in The Villages and since The Villages is so large and confusing, I strongly suggested to my wife to attach the Apple tracking device to her mother since her mother is in her 70's. In the past, I used to slip an old I-Phone inside my golf cart when my mother-in-law traveled by herself and used the location finder app to at least track the golf cart when she traveled solo.

My wife believes this is an invasion of privacy and I believe its a safety issue.
Any suggestion to convince my wife ?
I’ve told my wife to track me just in case. Lately I’ve been forgetting things so I might as well get ready before hand. Besides i have nothing to hide.

haysus7 04-23-2021 05:43 PM
if you don't abuse it, it's a good idea.

DaleDivine 04-23-2021 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by bluecenturian (Post 1934127)
I caution you to get the persons permission first. In Florida it is a Felony to place a tracking device on anything in possession of another without permission. This includes phones you own but are under the normal control of another.
Not against the law if you put it in your own golf cart, with or without their knowledge.
You're tracking your cart to find it if it's stolen.

ALSO, the Apple Airtag is only good for something probably less than 50 yards away.
Same thing with Tile.

As others have mentioned, if you want a full time tracker they're cheap but then there's a monthly fee of about $5 to $15.
:welcome:

GrumpyOldMan 04-23-2021 08:36 PM
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Originally Posted by DaleDivine (Post 1934302)

ALSO, the Apple Airtag is only good for something probably less than 50 yards away.
Same thing with Tile.
:welcome:
Not exactly. The Airtag uses bluetooth to announce it's location to any near by apple device that has bluetooth. If any other device is within bluetooth range, then you can be on the other side of the world and see on your Find My app where the tag is. Every Apple device participates in the "Find My" network, "secretly", and the owner the device that forwarded the location has NO IDEA and NO way to know that it happened.

There are 1.65 billion Apple devices arounds the world. It is possible your Airbag will not be near one, but unlikely around here. Also, there is a 'last location" feature when says where it was the last time it was within range of a device.

newgirl 04-23-2021 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidCovid (Post 1933559)
Apple just announced a new tracking device called AirTag which is the size of a coin, can be attached to almost any item and allows an Apple user the ability to track the exact location of the AirTag and the item it's attached to.

The next time my mother-in-law stays with us here in The Villages and since The Villages is so large and confusing, I strongly suggested to my wife to attach the Apple tracking device to her mother since her mother is in her 70's. In the past, I used to slip an old I-Phone inside my golf cart when my mother-in-law traveled by herself and used the location finder app to at least track the golf cart when she traveled solo.

My wife believes this is an invasion of privacy and I believe its a safety issue.
Any suggestion to convince my wife ?

Just use the app Life360, free and she can control when she does not want to be seen. Works great!

PugMom 04-24-2021 08:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 1933713)
Would you like a tracker put on you at all times? The mother-in-law was found and it’s no big deal. You can bet this tracker would be used by more than that family. This is the beginning of total loss of privacy.
in this case it has more to do with safety. if the person has cognitive issues, it's a no-brainer. if i 'lost' my spouse in the square,there's no need to worry, i could collect him & be on our way. if the person is of sound mind, i can see where your concern arises

Velvet 04-24-2021 09:39 AM
Loss of privacy? Hmm I’m just trying to visualize a possible scenario. MIL decides to take the cart to Winn Dixie at Sumter. Takes the wrong turn gets on round about, goes north on the Morse bridge instead of south ends up in some village around Spanish Springs. (Happened to me once) groceries are thawing... no she would absolutely not want her family to help her out. Her privacy is at stake!

DavidCovid 04-24-2021 10:14 AM
I appreciate everyone's concern with their own personal freedom and individuality but I'm referring to common sense and the safety of our loved ones. It's a fact of life, as we get older, the percentage of exhibiting signs of dementia increase and that's a fact some of us here haven't accepted. The same way I have concern for my MIL due to her diminished mental capacity, I have great concern when I see an older individual driving their cars or golf carts very "cautiously and slowly" and I'm not talking about "all" older people but those with diminished capacity.

nn0wheremann 04-26-2021 04:09 PM
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Originally Posted by DavidCovid (Post 1933559)
Apple just announced a new tracking device called AirTag which is the size of a coin, can be attached to almost any item and allows an Apple user the ability to track the exact location of the AirTag and the item it's attached to.

The next time my mother-in-law stays with us here in The Villages and since The Villages is so large and confusing, I strongly suggested to my wife to attach the Apple tracking device to her mother since her mother is in her 70's. In the past, I used to slip an old I-Phone inside my golf cart when my mother-in-law traveled by herself and used the location finder app to at least track the golf cart when she traveled solo.

My wife believes this is an invasion of privacy and I believe its a safety issue.
Any suggestion to convince my wife ?
If you are responsible for someone’s safety or well-being, use every and any tool you have to fulfill your responsibility. If she is your guest and would look to you for assistance should she get lost, of course you should track her, and she should be glad you care enough to do so.

meme5x 05-09-2021 11:58 AM
I agree.. drive 1100 miles 2x a year to and from The Villages... feel perfectly competent... could apply to someone in their 50’s.. depending on mental ability not age!

DavidCovid 05-09-2021 05:47 PM
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Originally Posted by meme5x (Post 1941688)
I agree.. drive 1100 miles 2x a year to and from The Villages... feel perfectly competent... could apply to someone in their 50’s.. depending on mental ability not age!
Great and I am glad YOU have no problems with your ability to maneuver within The Villages, but the day will come when everyone, including yourself and myself that we all will need help getting around. Its just a matter of fact.


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