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Stu from NYC 12-23-2022 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Mrs.Guy (Post 2169197)
:shrug: IMHO some of these posts (possibly mine too) are:

vir·tue sig·nal·ing

noun - DEROGATORY

"The public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or social conscience or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.
It's noticeable how often virtue signaling consists of saying you hate things". - Quote from online dictionary

I think the punishment fits the crime..... what I don't understand for the life of me is people being so nasty(IMHO) towards a 91 year old human being who is someone's mother and probably grandmother. "Miserable excuse for a human being" seems a bit much. I'm convinced the woman was guilty and sentenced correctly..... just not OVER JOYED about it. To me it's a bad time of the year to be hateful. PEACE and MERRY CHRISTmas.
Considering what she did and her actions afterward I stand by my comment. Hateful not at all. If she is someones mother hope the children turned out better than she did.

Aces4 12-24-2022 12:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2169294)
Considering what she did and her actions afterward I stand by my comment. Hateful not at all. If she is someones mother hope the children turned out better than she did.
I think in this case it wasn’t planned to leave the scene of the accident. The terror of what had happened most likely didn’t allow this ninety plus year old woman to think clearly.

A good friend in his early thirties was driving along a street one day years ago and a young man stepped from between two cars directly in front of his vehicle. The young man was killed instantly even though my friend tried to stop and then help him after the impact. My friend confided to me that he almost left the scene, he was so horrified and scared even though he couldn’t avoid the accident.

The suicide note from the deceased young man was found in his home after the accident and his death by vehicle was planned.

We all hope that we and our children and grandchildren would do the right thing if such an accident happened to them. We never know…

WingedFoot78 12-24-2022 06:53 AM
Please......Don't start another dog poop thread!

birdawg 12-24-2022 07:10 AM
Evil person

nancyre 12-24-2022 07:52 AM
If you are in an accident, you stay, you call 911, and you get help for those injured. You do not pull over get out see what you caused and then leave the victims to suffer. You do not have your vehicle quickly repaired to hide it.

Stu from NYC 12-24-2022 08:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Aces4 (Post 2169303)
I think in this case it wasn’t planned to leave the scene of the accident. The terror of what had happened most likely didn’t allow this ninety plus year old woman to think clearly.

A good friend in his early thirties was driving along a street one day years ago and a young man stepped from between two cars directly in front of his vehicle. The young man was killed instantly even though my friend tried to stop and then help him after the impact. My friend confided to me that he almost left the scene, he was so horrified and scared even though he couldn’t avoid the accident.

The suicide note from the deceased young man was found in his home after the accident and his death by vehicle was planned.

We all hope that we and our children and grandchildren would do the right thing if such an accident happened to them. We never know…
Obviously she did not plan to have the accident but she did leave and than tried to have the damage fixed quickly as to remove the evidence. That part happened long after the initial accident. Cannot get past that.

Bay Kid 12-24-2022 08:27 AM
Such a shame for all involved. A total tragedy.

RiderOnTheStorm 12-24-2022 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 2168908)
A travesty of justice.

Maybe if these bicyclists and their clubs(more like gangs) learned to ride responsibly these type accidents would never occur.
Generally speaking, while I have great sympathy for the victims, agree that this woman's behavior was reprehensible and recognize bicyclists right to the roadway, I think bicyclists need to be much more careful about how they assert these rights: Tandem riders blocking roadways at 15 MPH, or lagging members of a peloton entering a roundabout and forcing cars already in the circle to stop (examples of what I regularly observe), is a prescription for disaster. I rode bicycles and motorcycles without incident for 50+ years by always giving way to the largely insensitive car and truck drivers who could have taken me out at any time. Again, generally speaking, the roadway is NOT the place for a bicyclist to contest what are his/her legal rights. They will always lose, sometimes catastrophically.

merrymini 12-24-2022 08:59 AM
Riding a bike
 
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Originally Posted by JGibson (Post 2169079)
If she stayed at the scene they would’ve still had the same injuries.

They gave her 5 years not for the injuries but for leaving the scene.

If there is some evidence that she was drunk or driving recklessly I will change my mind.

I believe she deserves some punishment but at 91 and with no criminal history 5 years is a death sentence.

I really believe there was more behind the sentencing than just the crime.
I wonder if she was driving an old Toyota Corolla if she would’ve gotten this much time.

It's a travesty all around but I think people are suicidal riding bikes around the TV. Join a gym.
Biking is a great activity but you do put yourself at greater risk if hit by a car. A golf cart would not do so well either. Should we stop driving them too? This woman’s behavior is inexcusable. Glad to see her locked up.

rrtjp 12-24-2022 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrs.Guy (Post 2169197)
:shrug: IMHO some of these posts (possibly mine too) are:

vir·tue sig·nal·ing

noun - DEROGATORY

"The public expression of opinions or sentiments intended to demonstrate one's good character or social conscience or the moral correctness of one's position on a particular issue.
It's noticeable how often virtue signaling consists of saying you hate things". - Quote from online dictionary

I think the punishment fits the crime..... what I don't understand for the life of me is people being so nasty(IMHO) towards a 91 year old human being who is someone's mother and probably grandmother. "Miserable excuse for a human being" seems a bit much. I'm convinced the woman was guilty and sentenced correctly..... just not OVER JOYED about it. To me it's a bad time of the year to be hateful. PEACE and MERRY CHRISTmas.
“A bit much”
What do you call someone regardless of age that knowingly hurts someone, leaves the scene, doesn’t call for help and then tries to cover up what she did?
IMHO “a miserable excuse for a human being” is pretty accurate. This has nothing to do with what time of the year it is or hate.
The people she severely injured and their families are not going to be having a very merry CHRISTmas this year.

Lindsyburnsy 12-24-2022 09:10 AM
As I recall in drivers ed classes, you are supposed to have your car under control at all times.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gpsma (Post 2168908)
A travesty of justice.

Maybe if these bicyclists and their clubs(more like gangs) learned to ride responsibly these type accidents would never occur.

YeOldeCurmudgeon 12-24-2022 09:34 AM
The woman is 91 years old!

First of all, permanently suspend her driving privileges.

But prison, for someone 91? I don't see what good to society it serves to support the prison system this way.

Why not provide some way to mandate a sentence of community service for several years or as long as she is able to provide it. That to me would be a proper sentence in addition to suspending her driving privileges. If she can afford a Mercedes, she can afford an Uber to the place of service.

PugMom 12-24-2022 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by mikeycereal (Post 2169100)
I'm happy to see the older folks are keeping in shape and still got it. My Dad is in his mid 80s and he plays softball in an 80's league. Those old guys are an inspiration. :clap2:
exactly! look @ Clint Eastwood :bigbow:

JGibson 12-24-2022 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Fastskiguy (Post 2169146)
You have some good points and I have to comment on this one. TV is a "Gold Rated Community" but the League of American Bicyclists.

The Villages: Building a Bicycle Friendly Community in Florida | League of American Bicyclists

The fact that close calls, "bad feelings", and the occasionally maimed or killed cyclist happen here (one of the best places to ride in the entire country) is a sign that there is a major problem between cyclists and motorists.

And I just don't understand it. We're talking about taking just a moment, slowing down, and changing lanes. I doesn't matter if you're passing one rider or a group of 20, it's just a matter of seconds and you're past the group safely and on with your life as are they. Maybe once in awhile it's 20 seconds. But for some reason motorists just lose their everloving minds when they have to accommodate any other road users.

You even have posts on this thread (#11) that suggest cyclist wouldn't get hit if they rode responsibly. I mean, what the hell?? Is it OK to mow down anybody on or near the roadway just because they might be 1 foot to the left of where you think they should be?

I don't know what the the solution is but it sure is a problem.

Joe
Thanks for a mature response.

One solution would be to have dedicated barrier-protected bike lanes. Similar to what lots of cities have done to encourage bike riding for exercise and climate.

On another note all these 80+ people who are so proud of their health and rightfully so don't have the same reflexes as younger people.
Unless someone knows how to improve reflexes I wouldn’t get too arrogant about your triathlons.

Maybelle 12-24-2022 10:21 AM
Justice?
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2168850)
A 91 year old woman Villager was recently sentenced to 5 years in prison for a hit and run accident that seriously injured two bicyclists in 2020 near Morse Blvd in The Villages. After hitting the bicyclists, she got out of her car, saw the people she hit, and then drove home. She was later arrested when she tried to get her car repaired in Gainesville. The judge denied her request to delay serving her term and she was immediately taken into custody. Although it took more than 2 years to get justice, I wish more crimes were handled that way.
This is a death penalty. While the cyclists were seriously injured and the driver definitely should be punished, she could be sentenced to home confinement. A jail death sentence for a woman that age is not commensurate with the crime.

sjeffries 12-24-2022 10:21 AM
Try to see both sides
 
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Originally Posted by PugMom (Post 2169482)
exactly! look @ Clint Eastwood :bigbow:
As a driver of a vehicle, would you be more careful and considerate of bicycle riders if you knew your family members were on those bikes?

Would you be less prejudiced about Hamilton’s sentence if she was your mother?

We don’t know her health issues, mental condition or what she thought on that day. No question she made some serious, criminal decisions for which she should pay the price.

We have to trust that the judge who knew all the circumstances, made the right decision. This event should be a valuable lesson to all drivers, young and old. Discuss it with your family.

Mrs.Guy 12-24-2022 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Maybelle (Post 2169492)
This is a death penalty. While the cyclists were seriously injured and the driver definitely should be punished, she could be sentenced to home confinement. A jail death sentence for a woman that age is not commensurate with the crime.
:sad: I understand your feelings on this..... I don't agree, but do understand. I think the sentence is correct. 91 or 19 shouldn't come into play. What I don't understand as I have said before is some peoples' JOY seeing it imposed. :ohdear:

Red Rose 12-24-2022 10:33 AM
I have a feeling that she was drunk when she hit the bicyclists so she left the scene to avoid being found out. So, we will never know for sure.

Mrs.Guy 12-24-2022 10:48 AM
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Originally Posted by rrtjp (Post 2169423)
“A bit much”
What do you call someone regardless of age that knowingly hurts someone, leaves the scene, doesn’t call for help and then tries to cover up what she did?
IMHO “a miserable excuse for a human being” is pretty accurate. This has nothing to do with what time of the year it is or hate.
The people she severely injured and their families are not going to be having a very merry CHRISTmas this year.
:sad: I call that person a convicted criminal who is about to do serious prison time. I also agree with the sentence as I have stated. "A bit much" still my opinion when someone makes them self feel better by calling a 91 year old woman names. You don't have to agree. My posts have "EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE HATE" being expressed by a lot of posters. IMHO :ohdear:

rrtjp 12-24-2022 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Mrs.Guy (Post 2169505)
:sad: I call that person a convicted criminal who is about to do serious prison time. I also agree with the sentence as I have stated. "A bit much" still my opinion when someone makes them self feel better by calling a 91 year old woman names. You don't have to agree. My posts have "EVERYTHING TO DO WITH THE HATE" being expressed by a lot of posters. IMHO :ohdear:
I think a lot of the hate people feel here is that in todays society some people refuse to accept responsibility for their actions, I for one have had it with people like this regardless of their age. Always some excuse why it’s not their fault. Being 91 years old is not a legal excuse. She knowingly left 2 people to die. Shake your head at that why don’t you.
No one is calling her names to feel better they are just stating the obvious. What type of person can do something like that and live with themselves?
Do you need a hint?
If you do see previous posts.

fdpaq0580 12-24-2022 11:31 AM
Personally, I find only sadness in regard to all aspects of this incident. Lives have been ruined. The only feeling other than sadness is satisfaction that some semblance of justice has been served. There are no winners here, only satisfaction that the guilty have been caught and will be punished. The victims will never be fully restored, regardless of any compensation. Terribly sad all around.

mikempp 12-24-2022 02:02 PM
I'm amazed with the speeds most people drive in the Villages and the regular cutting off that occurs we don't have more accidents. I usually drive 5-8 miles per hour over the limit and get tailgated and passed like I'm standing still at times. At it's usually some old old codger or old woman. Then they won't look at you. At first I thought i was the young drivers. By the way I'm 70.

justjim 12-24-2022 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Cobullymom (Post 2168977)
Coleman has minimum and maximum security
Coleman is a Federal Prison for those that commit a federal crime.

Bay Kid 12-25-2022 08:53 AM
Maybe the court should of awarded the victims all of the 91 year old woman's money then sentenced her to a state nursing home.

patfla06 12-26-2022 04:32 PM
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Originally Posted by airstreamingypsy (Post 2169057)
She didn't get 5 years for hitting them. She got 5 years for hitting them, stopping and getting out and seeing the carnage and getting back in and driving away. Then, if that's not bad enough she sent the car out of town to be repaired and dyed her white hair brown. Hitting them was an accident, driving away, hiding the car and changing her appearance was calculated. A young woman's life has been destroyed, so has her husbands. I hope they are well compensated.
Well said!
Also I wish more drivers here when seeing bicycles in the right
lane would get over right away and not wait until the last moment.

fdpaq0580 12-27-2022 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Maybelle (Post 2169492)
This is a death penalty. While the cyclists were seriously injured and the driver definitely should be punished, she could be sentenced to home confinement. A jail death sentence for a woman that age is not commensurate with the crime.
Semantics! Not a "death sentence". She is not going to the electric chair.
It is a "life" sentence to be incarcerated until she passes or is paroled.
Imho, home confinement isn't as stiff as a real "time out", for hit and run that ruined two lives.
I feel very sorry for all involved. Sadly, the driver was, reasonably, terrified and did what many really frightened folks would do when the poop hits the fan; duck, and run for cover.

OrangeBlossomBaby 12-27-2022 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2170423)
Semantics! Not a "death sentence". She is not going to the electric chair.
It is a "life" sentence to be incarcerated until she passes or is paroled.
Imho, home confinement isn't as stiff as a real "time out", for hit and run that ruined two lives.
I feel very sorry for all involved. Sadly, the driver was, reasonably, terrified and did what many really frightened folks would do when the poop hits the fan; duck, and run for cover.
She didn't merely duck and run. She ducked, snuck over to make sure there really was damage done, ran, and then tried to obfuscate the evidence.

fdpaq0580 12-28-2022 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2170494)
She didn't merely duck and run. She ducked, snuck over to make sure there really was damage done, ran, and then tried to obfuscate the evidence.
"Snuck over"? I wasn't there, so I'm not sure how she moved. Frightened people often do not act reasonably or rationally or responsibly.
As I said before, imo it is terrible for all involved. And, I'm sorry that the woman did not live up to your expectations.

OrangeBlossomBaby 12-28-2022 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2170670)
"Snuck over"? I wasn't there, so I'm not sure how she moved. Frightened people often do not act reasonably or rationally or responsibly.
As I said before, imo it is terrible for all involved. And, I'm sorry that the woman did not live up to your expectations.
I had no expectations. I don't know the woman.

Happydaz 12-28-2022 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2170670)
"Snuck over"? I wasn't there, so I'm not sure how she moved. Frightened people often do not act reasonably or rationally or responsibly.
As I said before, imo it is terrible for all involved. And, I'm sorry that the woman did not live up to your expectations.
The woman who hit the bicyclists did not live up to legal “expectations” and for that reason she received a prison sentence from the American court system.

EdFNJ 12-30-2022 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2168850)
A 91 year old woman Villager was recently sentenced to 5 years in prison for a hit and run accident that seriously injured two bicyclists in 2020 near Morse Blvd in The Villages. .
At 91 that's likely capital punishment. I'd bet if she even spends 1 month in prison it would be a lot. A lawyer could easily get her home confinement.

Spalumbos62 12-31-2022 05:09 AM
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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 2171517)
At 91 that's likely capital punishment. I'd bet if she even spends 1 month in prison it would be a lot. A lawyer could easily get her home confinement.
I agree....I don't know much about women in prison, except maybe from watching "Orange is the new black". Although I agree that this women needs to be locked up and the key thrown away....how's this gonna work? 91 folks! She's lived here with all kinds of incentive to get up every morning, look good, go shop, lunch with friends, golf...whatever it's been...that's all stopping, and fast because it will be so abrupt, her dowfall will happen fast...so now what, she needs an aide to dress and feed her, a walker to go out to the yard. Will she sit on her bed and stare all day.
I am certainly not saying she shouldn't go to jail, but when she does, like someone else said, it's a death sentence. You can't make this stuff up, it's what movies are made of.

PugMom 12-31-2022 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2169523)
Personally, I find only sadness in regard to all aspects of this incident. Lives have been ruined. The only feeling other than sadness is satisfaction that some semblance of justice has been served. There are no winners here, only satisfaction that the guilty have been caught and will be punished. The victims will never be fully restored, regardless of any compensation. Terribly sad all around.

best comment yet

Fastskiguy 12-31-2022 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Daddymac (Post 2169216)
Right Here!! They are the people crying about “Cars” on the road. Yet they don’t abide by any traffic laws. They think they own the roads... Forget Stop 🛑 signs
Because rolling thru a stop sign is clearly a capital offense. Obviously the burden to slow down and watch out for cyclists is simply too great for drivers. They get what they deserve. It's the drivers' obligation to teach them a lesson.

(Apologies in advance if this isn't what you meant)

Joe


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