Originally Posted by JanRoberts (Post 2405894)

When the snowbirds are here there's just more of everything that's always here when they're not!

Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2405899)

GREAT, now you are up to 80 posts on a RB thread in 2025.

:yuck:

Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2405887)

The traffic signs and road markings show that at some circles, both the lanes may exit at the first right.

A dashed line and two exit lanes, as well as the arrows on the sign, show this clearly.

Are the signs and road markings lying?

Originally Posted by CybrSage (Post 2405891)

Some of the signs clearly show lane 1 and 2 can both exit the circle at both the first and second exit. Two lanes leaving the circle are there to ensure this can happen.

How does the person in lane 1 stay in his exit lane if lane 2 is allowed to block the exit?

Originally Posted by JanRoberts (Post 2405894)

When the snowbirds are here there's just more of everything that's always here when they're not!

Originally Posted by gobuck827 (Post 2405886)

Never say never.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2405918)

Which circle have a sign showing the innermost lane can take the first exit? What I *have* seen are single-lane circles where the *only* lane can exit right along with a right-lane bypass for the circle. The right traffic lane never enters the circle. I suspect the circle in the picture above is an example of that.

The lane markings are accurate yet deceiving at the same time. A vehicle in the inside lane approaching from the left may exit to your right, this is what the markings show. Traffic entering from the left lane into the inside lane is NOT allowed to take a right and follow that vehicle.

Don’t try to complicate things.

Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2405925)

There are different circles with different rules. A newer driver may not realize that not every circle is the same and take for granted or generalize ,”What’s the same for traffic circle A is the same for the rest of them.”

Compounding the issue would be the dashed lines which give the option for two adjacent lanes to either maintain a straight forward bypass of an exit and also permit either lane to turn. Meggison and Morse have this. If an outside driver wishes to continue straight, they are in for a rude surprise if the inside lane driver decides to turn off to the right.

Originally Posted by bopat (Post 2405933)

What's an RB? Running Back? Roast Beef?
I see this: What does RB stand for?

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2405935)

Meggison and Morse appears to be the same as the other circles around the Villages. I don’t drive it frequently so maybe I missed something. Which direction has the issue you are referring to? And, are you saying that if you disregard the sign and common sense then there could be an issue? Well, there is no surprise there.

Originally Posted by bopat (Post 2405933)

What's an RB? Running Back? Roast Beef?
I see this: What does RB stand for?

Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2405937)

I am referring to the conflict of lines and the signage associated to the entrance of Morse while traveling northwestward on Meggison. I believe the signage takes primary?

Other rules apply of course for instance the mandatory left lane entrance from Belle Mead toward Buena Vista if you wish to continue on in the circle to travel southward on Buena Vista.

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2405938)

I've been reading this whole thread with the assumption (I know, I know) that RB stood for RoundaBout. Rounda. Bout. Seems to be correct for this thread.

FWIW- According to the search engine machine, the oldest US RoundaBout (R.B.) is the Columbus Circle in NYC (1903). The earlier post about one in Indiana or some mid-west spot dating back to the civil war may want to advise the search engine spiders.

The oldest (According to the same machine) may very well be that in Paris around the Arc de Triomphe.

Regardless, one thing is certain: Roundabouts drastically lower death and injury from collisions. They certainly do NOT lower the amount of accidents. In fact, they might increase them. However, the resulting injuries are drastically lower because the speeds within the roundabout are generally lower. So for traffic expediency and collision preventions they are not the greatest things. However, for death prevention and injury mitigation, they are like sliced bread.

Originally Posted by bopat (Post 2405976)

I have some better suggestions instead of RB:

1. CIRCLE - Community Intersection for Retired Citizens Living Enjoyably

2. PEACE - Pleasant Elderly Access Community Entrance

3. GRACE - Golden Retirement Access Circle for Everyone

4. PATH - Peaceful Access to Town for Homeowners

5. LIFE - Leisurely Intersection for Florida Elders

Originally Posted by NoMo50 (Post 2405693)

For those who feel challenged by the roundabouts here in The Villages, try driving in France. In France, the laws are a little different, in that cars entering a roundabout have the right of way over vehicles already in the roundabout. Also, for a real adventure, try your hand at the one at the Arc de Triomphe, where 12 roads feed into and out of the roundabout!

Originally Posted by ElDiabloJoe (Post 2405781)

Cool, thanks. As far as MA goes, they were the first to land a ship onshore. Think they got a rock there named for it ;-)

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2406034)

Only on ToTV can a post about bad Mass drivers turn into (yet another) 100+ Round-About thread...

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2406037)

Of course it does. There are at least 100 WRONG WAYS to navigate a RB, and Villagers know all of them :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star (Post 2406007)

Yes, I agree. In Paris did something wrong in a huge roundabout & got yelled at (everyone still moving) by a police car that was just like in the English comedies about France. A tiny car & seemingly 15 officers hanging out of the car waving their arms & yelling. We all then exited the roundabout & went our way. They apparently didn't want to pull anyone over, just give a few Gallic yells & arm waves.

But you know it works, I still don't know the infraction, but the reprimand stays with me. :)

Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2406054)

In Italy, just lean on horn is the prescribed method of clearing holdups, whether involved or not!
I love driving in France and Italy, no one really gives a toss about rules.

Originally Posted by Dusty_Star (Post 2406014)

Virginia might have an issue with that. (Jamestown)

Newfoundland definitely does. (L'Anse aux Meadows ~1000 AD)

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2405448)

The very first Roundabout was installed in MA, about 10-15 years ago [Massachusetts installed it's first roundabout, 10-15 years ago]. Up until then, we were one of the only states to have "Rotaries", which is a completely different animal and you drive them, entirely differently. (A "Rotary" doesn't have solid marked lanes, the ROW is different and it's basically a free for all.)

Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2406547)

LOL!

The only time i have gone sideways in my car on a clear dry day was at the Concord Rotary in MA. Came in a bit too hot. . .

But what does drive me crazy is when a rotary inside lane exits the rotary onto the right hand lane of the two lane exit road. . totally cutting off the outside lane making the same exit. . . Then I agree that Massholes don't know how to drive in rotaries

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2406568)

Just anecdotally. I once drove an Alfa Romeo Spider around the Concord Rotary, in reverse and clockwise. Seemed like the thing to do, after shutting down the bar at Alphonse's & then HoJo's.

Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2406610)

You're the man! 😵*💫 The insane man. Bet you thought it was awesome at the time, huh? 🙂🫠
If guardian angels do exist, I wonder how many would quit after you pulled other wacky stunts like that?

Originally Posted by jimhoward (Post 2405534)

Its the right of way ambiguity that causes most of the problems, not lack of driving skill, or wrong-headed learning in Massachusetts.

At any exit the inner lane car could be getting off or going around, as could the outer lane car. The convention that one take the outer lane to go 1/4 or 1/2 way around and the inner lane to go 1/2 or 3/4 way around does not resolve this conflict. Nor do any of the posted driving rules.

And both cars are in the Roundabout.

This conflict would be greatly reduced if people used there directionals, but few do.

Survival makes one quickly learn that if you are in the outer lane you always assume the inner lane is getting off and yield. if fact most learn to not even enter the rotary if there is a car in the inner lane, because he is very likely to get off in front of you at your first exit (you are going to your second exit) and which he is fully entitled to do. But that is most of the few accidents that I have seen....inner lane getting off, outer lane going around.

Originally Posted by RustyandEthel (Post 2406627)

In 1994 I drove a scooter across the country with my business partner Harry. The craziest part? It was just to return a woman’s suitcase.

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 2406632)

How many roundabouts did you encounter?

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2406613)

Luckily for our generation, YouTube and Cell Phone videos didn't exist.

Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2406633)

Roundabouts, rotaries, or traffic circles? I hear that they serve sandwiches at the Indiana Rotary Club meetings, so that may be the first choice :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl: