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Bogie Shooter 12-23-2012 09:41 PM

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Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 598830)
District Staff finally admitted that there was an error would have been a much better statement than determined that there was an error.

Bond Interest Refund Procedures
In early August 2012, District staff determined that there was an error in the procedures used in the calculation of bond payoff amounts when a resident elects to pay off their bonds used to fund each District’s infrastructure.

So, your point is??
I was going to post all of the procedures but decided anyone could go and read the total posting.
Why the selection you posted?
Do I hear an axe being ground?

KeepingItReal 12-23-2012 09:55 PM

Point
 
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murray607 12-27-2012 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 598208)
Who gets away with charging 6.93% yearly interest in this day and age? After paying $1114.87 per year for 30 years, you would wind up paying $33,446.10 plus fees, for the $13,338.17 bond And from what I understand that interest is not tax deductible.

IMO, it would be better to add the cost of the infrastructure into the price of the new homes like a lot of developers do. Obviously, having the bonds separate keeps house prices lower.

Wouldn't it make more sense to do this on a line of credit or a 10 year loan?
At today's interest (based on 4%) rates, monthly payments would be $135 and the total of principal and interest for the 10 years is $16,400, much less than half the mortgage route. Total interest over the term of the loan would be $2,900 instead of $20,000.

My bank says they could lend at 5% and with the same payments, the loan would be amortized in 16.5 years and the monthly payment go entirely on principal and interest with no yearly fee of $67.00. Even with a rate of 6.93% with same monthly payemts (yearly fee included), I would amortise in 21.5 years.

We are planning to buy a 2/2 Furnished Patio Villa with closing costs of about $150,000.

$150,000 is our limit for a cash deal, so we are going to take on a
1 year term loan for the cost of the bond. I spoke to my Bank, RBC Canada and they can do this, but RBC USA (PNC) say I would need to take out a mortgage for one year on this amount (can't figure out why a mortgage for one year) and it would leave us with a $350 charge for interest for one year.
With a personal loan at 4% I would end up paying $290 interest which is close.

My concern would be, does The Villages Development insist that you use their finance for paying the Bond? And I am assuming I can pay the bond "up-front"

Advogado 01-06-2013 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by murray607 (Post 600222)
Wouldn't it make more sense to do this on a line of credit or a 10 year loan?
At today's interest (based on 4%) rates, monthly payments would be $135 and the total of principal and interest for the 10 years is $16,400, much less than half the mortgage route. Total interest over the term of the loan would be $2,900 instead of $20,000.

My bank says they could lend at 5% and with the same payments, the loan would be amortized in 16.5 years and the monthly payment go entirely on principal and interest with no yearly fee of $67.00. Even with a rate of 6.93% with same monthly payemts (yearly fee included), I would amortise in 21.5 years.

We are planning to buy a 2/2 Furnished Patio Villa with closing costs of about $150,000.

$150,000 is our limit for a cash deal, so we are going to take on a
1 year term loan for the cost of the bond. I spoke to my Bank, RBC Canada and they can do this, but RBC USA (PNC) say I would need to take out a mortgage for one year on this amount (can't figure out why a mortgage for one year) and it would leave us with a $350 charge for interest for one year.
With a personal loan at 4% I would end up paying $290 interest which is close.

My concern would be, does The Villages Development insist that you use their finance for paying the Bond? And I am assuming I can pay the bond "up-front"

From a mathematical viewpoint, there is no question that it makes sense to pay off the bond as soon as possible. You can finance the payoff any way you want. The only potential drawback is that when you sell your house, you may run into a potential buyer who is stupid, making an ill-informed decision, or has been deceived by the Developer's lack of disclosure of the bond amount in his ads for new houses. That potential buyer may make an incorrect comparison when looking at the advertised price of your house and the advertised price of competing houses that carry the bond. How often that happens, I have no idea.

janmcn 01-07-2013 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 598830)
District Staff finally admitted that there was an error would have been a much better statement than determined that there was an error.

Bond Interest Refund Procedures
In early August 2012, District staff determined that there was an error in the procedures used in the calculation of bond payoff amounts when a resident elects to pay off their bonds used to fund each District’s infrastructure.

It should be noted that this procedure has been used for the last 20 years, ever since bonds were introduced in TV as a way of paying for the infrastructure.

It's a hard to believe that only 880 owners elected to pay off their bonds in all that time. What happened to the interest collected in error since 1992?

Bill-n-Brillo 01-07-2013 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 605088)
It should be noted that this procedure has been used for the last 20 years, ever since bonds were introduced in TV as a way of paying for the infrastructure.

It's a hard to believe that only 880 owners elected to pay off their bonds in all that time. What happened to the interest collected in error since 1992?

I believe it has to do with WHEN the payoff was made during the year.


From Bond Interest Refund Procedures :

"For those property owners who paid off their bonds between the annual July assessment roll cutoff date through September 16th, they were entitled to a full refund of the final annual interest installment. For those property owners who paid off their bonds from September 17th through the following March 16th, they were entitled to a 50% refund of the final annual installment of interest. For those that paid off from March 17th through the following July cutoff date, they were entitled to no interest refund."

Bill :)

LynnDeb 01-11-2013 10:32 PM

Bonds on new houses
 
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 598465)
A home purchased at 228k plus 21k would be listed at 249k or more.. if you pay off the bond but it can be listed at....a lower price if you do not.

There is NO difference but people may look at it sooner as it does not require the initial amount of cash or money loaned. A marketing situation but unfortunately not all people who are new to the Villages can see the difference and may be drawn to a seemingly lower priced home.

PLUS, I am guessing that many people were like we were when we first bought here... Are we gonna like it? What if we don't and want to sell it? We can sell it quicker at a lower price if we don't pay off the bond.

We are coming up tomorrow to look at a 2010 patio villa w a $11,000 bond on it its in Sumter Landing area....any thoughts? Thanx Lynn:wave:

Bogie Shooter 01-11-2013 11:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LynnDeb (Post 607562)
We are coming up tomorrow to look at a 2010 patio villa w a $11,000 bond on it its in Sumter Landing area....any thoughts? Thanx Lynn:wave:

If you like it................buy it!

LynnDeb 01-11-2013 11:34 PM

Bond
 
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 607575)
If you like it................buy it!

How much approx will it cost per yr I am just trying I figure in amount into budget

KeepingItReal 01-12-2013 12:58 AM

Bond Lookup
 
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Bill-n-Brillo 01-12-2013 07:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LynnDeb (Post 607584)
How much approx will it cost per yr I am just trying I figure in amount into budget

"Cost" for:

The bond? See previous post from KeepingItReal

A mortgage? There are a zillion places you can check re: mortgage rates and amortization tables for monthly costs

A on-going cost of ownership? Refer to a PM from a while back that I'd sent you on this. Let me know if you still need that info.

Good luck!

Bill :)


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