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dewilson58 02-05-2022 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by 36Aday (Post 2057526)
We would not buy anything south of 466A. There is a great difference in the proximity of amenities. North of 466A you have access to all 3 squares, every championship course, 100s of holes of executive courses, pools and rec centers galore and plenty of shopping. ALL AVAILABLE BY GOLF CART!

Appear to be new and clueless.
:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:
Everything you mentioned is available by golf cart living South of 466a.
The difference between North & South of 466a from my house is three (3) minutes.

:welcome:

MSchad 02-05-2022 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by 36Aday (Post 2057526)
We would not buy anything south of 466A. There is a great difference in the proximity of amenities. North of 466A you have access to all 3 squares, every championship course, 100s of holes of executive courses, pools and rec centers galore and plenty of shopping. ALL AVAILABLE BY GOLF CART!

Glad you are happy with where you live. But let’s get real; Everything everywhere is available by golf cart to everyone no matter where you live. You can get to those up north quicker than me, and I can get to those south quicker than you. Both of us can get to them all, and do all the time. It’s a golf cart community.

MSchad 02-05-2022 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 63chevy (Post 2057248)
To me 30 minutes is way to far. I don't play anything further than 15 minutes. I have 19 executives and 7 Championship within that time frame.

That’s nice. But when your area was first released for sale, was all that available at that time? I ask this because I see this was your first post, so ‘assuming’ you are new to your area.

JMintzer 02-05-2022 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Bella6368 (Post 2057473)
I've been told the St. Catherine's are where Sawgrass Grove is, will be the new center of The Villages, not Osceola Hills. I guess looking at a revised map might help clarify this.

Picking nits... I'm just a mile north of 44. St Cathrine is about 1-2 miles S of 44... Same difference in the scheme of things...

JMintzer 02-05-2022 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Ga.dawg (Post 2057475)
Well , us that live south of 44 don’t have a problem going to play golf , north of 44, so your rant is meaningless, and useless information

It helps when you quote the person you're responding to...

No idea which rant you're talking about...

MX rider 02-05-2022 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by clouwho (Post 2057494)
Hi BeckyLou, CindyLou here!

This is the proper attitude with which to choose where to live in The Villages. Every yes in life is a thousand nos. Nowhere have I seen a place (much less created for a single age/lifestyle populace) with SO many yeses!!!

We bought a rental home and lived in it several weeks of the year for three years before making the big decision on where to live. I HIGHLY recommend renting first for this reason. We already had an idea when we bought the rental that we wanted in the “golden circle” (between morse and buena vista and 466 and 466a).

Those five years of being down here often, checking out lifestyle clubs, fitness facilities, golf courses, indoor and outdoor rec amenities, shopping, doctors, vets, restaurants, proximity to surrounding towns, amusement parks, state parks and both oceans all mattered to us. We are big fans of enjoying the state you reside in, and florida has wonders galore…natural and man made that we are enjoying every single month. Highly recommend getting National and state park passes as well.

We were so torn when Fenney and the southside boomed. We are from Lousiana and the Marsh Bend Hogeye area called to our swamp loving hearts for sure. We love to do nature walks. However, we also love convenience in our day to day lives. It takes at LEAST 10 years after The Villages moves into a new area for basic retail, medical, hair, vets, etc to move in and stabilize the commercial and retail sectors. The Villages is just now filling a vacancy in brownwood for the first time that has been there for almost a decade!

We figured with a 10-15 year life expectancy in our new chapter and location, we needed to be realistic about the NOW and near future. What do we do daily? What has us running the roads the least?

We ultimately chose to be almost literally in the dead center of the golden circle and are thrilled with the choice. We chose a wonderful tiny 10 home culdesac with amazing neighbors, mature landscaping, and peace and quiet. Half of our neighbors are in 80s and the other half of us are young 60s, nixing the rumor that everyone in center and north is “old” (which is irrelevant here where most people are active). It is a great mix! We are surrounded by golf galore (we can walk to starter shack in less than five minutes) and have three rec centers/pools/amenities within 5 minute walk. We have three great regional rec centers within a 5-10 minute golf cart ride and dozens of exec and championship courses in that same 10 minute drive. We are midway between Sarasota and Arnold Palmer and use both regularly for practice and lessons. No driving range or good practice facility in entire southside was deal breaker for husband. And Sarasota is ridiculously crowded year round now because developer hasn’t put practice greens, golf school or driving range on south side (which is truly inexcusable IMHO)

The GREAT news is there were hundreds of villages and lifestyle choices we could have made that would also have been great!
We drive down to Edna’s and Hogeye and the Fenney boardwalk (and looking forward to the new nature boardwalk opening soon as well) frequently. These are our “hometown” outings, our field trips, our explorations of our great community that has so ridiculously much to offer. I try to not to laugh when we comment that something is so FAR away. We are retired. We have 16 waking hours a day available every day. The journeys here are all a lovely relaxing golf cart ride away. We are GRATEFUL to be here!!!!

The Villages has gotten too big to pick a homesite that puts you near EVERYTHING. There is simple too much everything for that to be possible. What an amazing conundrum!

ESPECIALLY when I think about my friends retiring across their various hometowns who spend most of their days in their houses, in front of tv or media, with very few offerings on affordable recreation, fitness, sports, etc, and certainly no lifestyle type clubs to explore new interests and passions, no easy access to live music for free at three lovely outdoor venues etc…much less a short walk or relaxing breezy golf cart ride away. My friends who are aging in place are frequently in neighborhoods surrounded by busy young families who don’t have the time or same interests as most retirees. This creates a terrible sense of isolation and boredom amidst a crowd and requires that they get in their cars and drive substantial distances to connect with other retirees with the same interests.

P.s. My favorite unexpected joy so far is being able to hop in the car, drive one hour due west, meet the fishing boats at the Crab Plant on Crystal River and have a great seafood lunch outside on the water, watching manatees and coastal life. After lunch we head out with our fishing rods and a short 10-15 minute drive further we are on a pier in the gulf at Fort Island. We swim, we laze, and we throw perfectly good shrimp in the water in hopes of a good return on investment! We stay til the sun goes down and then enjoy spectacular stargazing lying on a remote dark beach. An hour away!!! Woo hoo!

Good luck to all choosing their next home. Wherever you choose, you will find GOOD people, GOOD health, GOOD lifestyle choices. Amazing!

Very well said! You make many good points.
We just bought a home in Amelia. We'll be snowbirds starting next fall. We're retiring soon. W're really looking forward to being there as we're very active.

Sanford Epstein 02-05-2022 09:41 AM

:a040::bigbow:
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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2057134)
To me 30 minutes in a golf cart is TOO long. TV is/was a golfing community and they are not but building enough golf courses for the newer residents.


63chevy 02-05-2022 09:44 AM

I live by Canal and Odell and here are the times to each course. Belle Glade, 14.4 min., Bonify 12.2 min, Cane Garden 8.00 min, Evans Prairie 11.2 min, Havana 4 min, Mallory Hill 8.20 m, Palmer Legends 14.2 min.

dewilson58 02-05-2022 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2057553)
It helps when you quote the person you're responding to...

No idea which rant you're talking about...

If not attached, assume the OP, but there are plenty of rants if that does not work for you.

kansasr 02-05-2022 10:02 AM

The Future Center
 
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2057482)
I would look more closely at that map if I were you, because St. Catherine's as the center isn't even close. Probably Dunedin or Charlotte fits that bill once construction is finished all the way down to Center Hill

Based upon a current "who owns what" map, the center is just about where The Village Grown site is near Rohan.

Kjbatl 02-05-2022 10:42 AM

Course per homesite
 
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Originally Posted by Tennisbum (Post 2057062)
Just a bit of info to you new home buyers coming south of 44. They have not built any free to play executive courses near you new house since 2019. If you do not include the little pitch and puts, there are 45 holes available (Lowlands, Red Fox, Gray Fox, Longleaf and Loblolly) that are reasonably close. Since 2017 there have been over 13,000 new homes sold. If you buy in St. Catherine those above mentioned courses are the only close executive courses available. Unless you want to do the 1 hour golf cart ride to the "north" side. It may be time to remind the sales people that you really can't sell them as a golf community if you can never get a tee time close to your new home! They built a championship course down this way, but I pay $165 per month to play executive courses for "free". Done with the rant just a heads up!

People complain there are less courses south but that is not an accurate statement. I have posted the math before and South of 44 has some of the lowest homesites per executive course until all of district 13 is built out and there are many homes still to be built. When the northern part of District 13 is complete, they will be between marsh bend and Brownwood area so they would play either ones. Even then we are in the same ballpark as the others. Here are the 4 areas with updated site counts, N of 466 has 1690 homesites per exec course(21,975 homesites,13 courses), S of 466 1440(23054 sites, 16 courses), S of 466A 2014(14103 sites, 7 courses) and S of 44 1976 (11858 sites, 6 courses). Reminder that In S of 44, District 13 has 5658 homesites that are not near fully built so that number is inclusive of all the open areas coming this year. Also for those that don't want to drive their carts that far, it is why the southern courses all have cart rentals where you don't have that in other areas. Not getting a tee time for a single or even a couple should not be a problem.

Boston-Sean 02-05-2022 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Tennisbum (Post 2057062)
Just a bit of info to you new home buyers coming south of 44. They have not built any free to play executive courses near you new house since 2019. If you do not include the little pitch and puts, there are 45 holes available (Lowlands, Red Fox, Gray Fox, Longleaf and Loblolly) that are reasonably close. Since 2017 there have been over 13,000 new homes sold. If you buy in St. Catherine those above mentioned courses are the only close executive courses available. Unless you want to do the 1 hour golf cart ride to the "north" side. It may be time to remind the sales people that you really can't sell them as a golf community if you can never get a tee time close to your new home! They built a championship course down this way, but I pay $165 per month to play executive courses for "free". Done with the rant just a heads up!

This looks like a commitment to golf to me.

Ptmckiou 02-05-2022 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tennisbum (Post 2057062)
Just a bit of info to you new home buyers coming south of 44. They have not built any free to play executive courses near you new house since 2019. If you do not include the little pitch and puts, there are 45 holes available (Lowlands, Red Fox, Gray Fox, Longleaf and Loblolly) that are reasonably close. Since 2017 there have been over 13,000 new homes sold. If you buy in St. Catherine those above mentioned courses are the only close executive courses available. Unless you want to do the 1 hour golf cart ride to the "north" side. It may be time to remind the sales people that you really can't sell them as a golf community if you can never get a tee time close to your new home! They built a championship course down this way, but I pay $165 per month to play executive courses for "free". Done with the rant just a heads up!

Interesting you fail to mention all the many executive and championship courses in the plans to still be constructed south of 44, along with the new town square Eastport. All built within the next couple of years just on the other side of the new Bexley bridge across from Sawgrass.

Worldseries27 02-05-2022 11:19 AM

To each his own ( 1946 ) aaw.
 
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Originally Posted by tennisbum (Post 2057062)
just a bit of info to you new home buyers coming south of 44. They have not built any free to play executive courses near you new house since 2019. If you do not include the little pitch and puts, there are 45 holes available (lowlands, red fox, gray fox, longleaf and loblolly) that are reasonably close. Since 2017 there have been over 13,000 new homes sold. If you buy in st. Catherine those above mentioned courses are the only close executive courses available. Unless you want to do the 1 hour golf cart ride to the "north" side. It may be time to remind the sales people that you really can't sell them as a golf community if you can never get a tee time close to your new home! They built a championship course down this way, but i pay $165 per month to play executive courses for "free". Done with the rant just a heads up!

i'm glad you described your post as a " rant".
Golf is not at the center of each villager's universe. Those families living here who do not golf also pay the amenities fee which subsidizes your avocation.

tophcfa 02-05-2022 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Boston-Sean (Post 2057597)
This looks like a commitment to golf to me.

Interesting, the map shows 6 miniature golf courses and no more 27 hole Championship Country Clubs.

fredoberer 02-05-2022 11:23 AM

What Country Club?
 
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2057173)
And this is just being figured out now? There is as much golf now in the little area that makes up the Nancy Lopez area, including 27 holes of Championship golf and four nice Executives (and they are building a miniature golf course at the new First Responders Rec area), than there is in the entire area south of 44. Bottom line, the north area is a retirement golfing community, the new southern area is a retirement community that happens to have a little golf available. Did ya notice in the golf magazine included in the daily sun a couple days ago that Southern Oaks is called a Golf Club, and the other 12 Championship courses are called Country Clubs? As far a golf goes, the new business model has changed significantly.

"Hacienda Hills Country Club" should be renamed "Hacienda Hills Golf CLub" since they demolished everything including a great pool. It angers me every time I see what they did.

RayAmb 02-05-2022 11:37 AM

CANT HELP BUT SAY “ WE TOLD YOU SO! “.

South of 44 is trying to live off the north of 44s amenities. Great business model but things are way out of proportion for the residence. No matter what your OPINION is the people who bought north of 44 and were told “ no more homes will be built” ,,,,, don’t like the people from south of 44/coming up to use the amenities. AND THATS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER FROM WHAT I HEAR. Sorry about that. It’s just the truth.
Many of us who are priority members are questioning why we can’t get on a golf course to play. All I know is it was never this way till south of 44 was opened. Again it’s just the truth.

Worldseries27 02-05-2022 12:07 PM

Twilight's last gleaming
 
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Originally Posted by rayamb (Post 2057608)
cant help but say “ we told you so! “.

South of 44 is trying to live off the north of 44s amenities. Great business model but things are way out of proportion for the residence. No matter what your opinion is the people who bought north of 44 and were told “ no more homes will be built” ,,,,, don’t like the people from south of 44/coming up to use the amenities. And thats a significant number from what i hear. Sorry about that. It’s just the truth.
Many of us who are priority members are questioning why we can’t get on a golf course to play. All i know is it was never this way till south of 44 was opened. Again it’s just the truth.

is this a fort sumter moment?

tophcfa 02-05-2022 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fredoberer (Post 2057605)
"Hacienda Hills Country Club" should be renamed "Hacienda Hills Golf CLub" since they demolished everything including a great pool. It angers me every time I see what they did.

Agree, spot on!

Mrprez 02-05-2022 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RayAmb (Post 2057608)
CANT HELP BUT SAY “ WE TOLD YOU SO! “.

South of 44 is trying to live off the north of 44s amenities. Great business model but things are way out of proportion for the residence. No matter what your OPINION is the people who bought north of 44 and were told “ no more homes will be built” ,,,,, don’t like the people from south of 44/coming up to use the amenities. AND THATS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER FROM WHAT I HEAR. Sorry about that. It’s just the truth.
Many of us who are priority members are questioning why we can’t get on a golf course to play. All I know is it was never this way till south of 44 was opened. Again it’s just the truth.

The amenities do not belong to you. They belong to everyone who pays the amenity fees. Our 5 executive courses were easier to get tee times before Water
Lilly bridge was opened. Now, the people from north of 44 are down here using up all “our” tee times. See how that works.

Why does this have to be north against the south? Your beef should be with the developer who crossed 44 not us who bought houses in The Villages south of 44.

mlmarr 02-05-2022 01:56 PM

free ..
 
Where are you playing free golf in the villages, we all pay a trail fee every year to play ... for executive courses and extra $$$ for championship courses.. Be happy where you landed .. life is short.

Mrprez 02-05-2022 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by mlmarr (Post 2057663)
Where are you playing free golf in the villages, we all pay a trail fee every year to play ... for executive courses and extra $$$ for championship courses.. Be happy where you landed .. life is short.

Some people walk. No trail fees.

JMintzer 02-05-2022 03:04 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2057565)
If not attached, assume the OP, but there are plenty of rants if that does not work for you.

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JMintzer 02-05-2022 03:07 PM

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Originally Posted by kansasr (Post 2057567)
Based upon a current "who owns what" map, the center is just about where The Village Grown site is near Rohan.

Which abuts on the southern part of Osceola Hills... :boom:

JMintzer 02-05-2022 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2057604)
Interesting, the map shows 6 miniature golf courses and no more 27 hole Championship Country Clubs.

You neglected to mention the 3 new Executive Courses and the 3 new 18 hole Championship courses...

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fdpaq0580 02-05-2022 03:30 PM

Well ...
 
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2057687)
You neglected to mention the 3 new Executive Courses and the 3 new 18 hole Championship courses...

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A half a glass is a half a glass no matter how you look at it. Not positivity, not negativity, just reality.

😔

Altavia 02-05-2022 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2057271)
The “someone” referred to in the above post is completely clueless!

Really?

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...90-post51.html

Here are the 4 areas with updated site counts,

N of 466 has 1690 homesites per exec course (21,975 homesites,13 courses),

S of 466 1440 (23054 sites, 16 courses), S of 466A 2014(14103 sites, 7 courses) and

S of 44 1976 (11858 sites, 6 courses).

Reminder that In S of 44, District 13 has 5658 homesites that are not near fully built so that number is inclusive of all the open areas coming this year.

Plus these:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...97-post52.html

dewilson58 02-05-2022 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by fredoberer (Post 2057605)
"Hacienda Hills Country Club" should be renamed "Hacienda Hills Golf CLub"

Some say the CC's in TV are not Country Clubs.

Does the name really matter that much to bring you out of ToTV starting blocks???

:ohdear:

SHIBUMI 02-05-2022 03:42 PM

Golf Club= no food. Country Club=Dining. just that simple

dewilson58 02-05-2022 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko (Post 2057697)
Golf Club= no food. Country Club=Dining. just that simple

Not that simple.

What is in a country club?
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A "country club" is a social and recreational facility that sells memberships and offers its members access to its facilities. Those facilities typically include a golf course, perhaps tennis and swim facilities, and dining. A country club usually offers social activities for its members.Jun 21, 2019

HoosierPa 02-05-2022 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2057173)
And this is just being figured out now? There is as much golf now in the little area that makes up the Nancy Lopez area, including 27 holes of Championship golf and four nice Executives (and they are building a miniature golf course at the new First Responders Rec area), than there is in the entire area south of 44. Bottom line, the north area is a retirement golfing community, the new southern area is a retirement community that happens to have a little golf available. Did ya notice in the golf magazine included in the daily sun a couple days ago that Southern Oaks is called a Golf Club, and the other 12 Championship courses are called Country Clubs? As far a golf goes, the new business model has changed significantly.

We like the changes which is why we moved south

HoosierPa 02-05-2022 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Sanford Epstein (Post 2057555)
:a040::bigbow:

Lots of other great stuff south they don’t have up north though

HoosierPa 02-05-2022 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by 36Aday (Post 2057526)
We would not buy anything south of 466A. There is a great difference in the proximity of amenities. North of 466A you have access to all 3 squares, every championship course, 100s of holes of executive courses, pools and rec centers galore and plenty of shopping. ALL AVAILABLE BY GOLF CART!

We would not buy anything north of 466a

Papa_lecki 02-05-2022 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko (Post 2057697)
Golf Club= no food. Country Club=Dining. just that simple

Not really - one of the best golf course in the country, has an amazing food and beverage offering - Merion GOLF Club

Another pretty good course, with food and beverage, is Pine Valley GOLF Club.

And I’ve heard Augusta National GOLF Club is a pretty nice place.

JMintzer 02-05-2022 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko (Post 2057697)
Golf Club= no food. Country Club=Dining. just that simple

I used to belong to a TPC "Golf Club"... No pool or tennis, but multiple dining options (from a very nice grill to sit down fine dining). Multiple monthly "social events"...

JMintzer 02-05-2022 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa_lecki (Post 2057755)
Not really - one of the best golf course in the country, has an amazing food and beverage offering - Merion GOLF Club

Another pretty good course, with food and beverage, is Pine Valley GOLF Club.

And I’ve heard Augusta National GOLF Club is a pretty nice place.

Yeah, but all they serve is pimento cheese sammiches... :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

tophcfa 02-05-2022 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 2057245)
Someone here looked at the history and found the rooftops per hole of golf has remained relatively constant.

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Originally Posted by Robbie0723 (Post 2057692)
Really?

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...90-post51.html

Here are the 4 areas with updated site counts,

N of 466 has 1690 homesites per exec course (21,975 homesites,13 courses),

S of 466 1440 (23054 sites, 16 courses), S of 466A 2014(14103 sites, 7 courses) and

S of 44 1976 (11858 sites, 6 courses).

Reminder that In S of 44, District 13 has 5658 homesites that are not near fully built so that number is inclusive of all the open areas coming this year.

Plus these:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...97-post52.html

Really, rooftops per hole of golf have steadily declined since Belle Glade was completed several years ago. If you don’t believe that, look up the statistics, the numbers don’t lie.

The rooftops per hole of golf was your statement! If you stated executive golf holes per rooftops, counting holes of miniature golf, has not declined at nearly the rate of championship golf, that would be more in the ballpark of reality.

Nobody seems to be bashing the new Southern areas of the Villages, just stating facts about the new business model. It’s different and has an emphasis on things other than golf. Neither good or bad, just different. To each his or her own preference. Golf on : )

Woodbear 02-06-2022 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Boston-Sean (Post 2057597)
This looks like a commitment to golf to me.

I wish that map showed 5 Executive (not 3) and 3 Championship (not 5) for future development. Can anyone guesstimate if that future development will take 4 years or 8 years to complete?

Dorebea 02-06-2022 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by beckylou152 (Post 2057455)
We live in Bradford south of 44. I would buy here again. There are pros and cons to every area. Pros to south of 44 are that we have wonderful, extensive, scenic multimodal trails for walking and biking everywhere. There are lots of gorgeous, brand new rec centers with courts for Pickleball, tennis, etc. homes are new, and often less expensive than pre owned homes. There will be a new type of entertainment and shopping/dining experience very soon at Sawgrass Grove. There are cute and unique places to go and see, such as Edna’s, Fenny Grill, Hogeye path, etc.. finally, when you move into a new area the folks are all in the same boat and it is super easy to make friends! Cons are that it is a longer drive to some executive courses, we are not as close to the existing town squares, and there is not great shopping down this way. So it is a trade off. I chose this area because I knew I wanted walking trails, and I use them every day. I don’t mind long golf cart rides to executive courses, and I know the new bridge and development south of here will bring even more access. I wanted a new home. But there are fantastic homes and amenities everywhere. Have fun looking!

Just bought a new house south of 44 primarily for these same reasons. My husband and I love to golf and had concerns about the lack of exec courses. As noted there are more planned courses but we decided that in the meantime we’ll just enjoy the golf cart ride (we have the time after all!). 😊

Toymeister 02-07-2022 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Tennisbum (Post 2057062)
Just a bit of info to you new home buyers coming south of 44. They have not built any free to play executive courses near you new house since 2019. If you do not include the little pitch and puts, there are 45 holes available (Lowlands, Red Fox, Gray Fox, Longleaf and Loblolly) that are reasonably close. Since 2017 there have been over 13,000 new homes sold.

This means anyone who has frontage on these four courses will do quite well when they sell. I think that's fantastic!


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