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MX rider 02-05-2022 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by clouwho (Post 2057494)
Hi BeckyLou, CindyLou here!

This is the proper attitude with which to choose where to live in The Villages. Every yes in life is a thousand nos. Nowhere have I seen a place (much less created for a single age/lifestyle populace) with SO many yeses!!!

We bought a rental home and lived in it several weeks of the year for three years before making the big decision on where to live. I HIGHLY recommend renting first for this reason. We already had an idea when we bought the rental that we wanted in the “golden circle” (between morse and buena vista and 466 and 466a).

Those five years of being down here often, checking out lifestyle clubs, fitness facilities, golf courses, indoor and outdoor rec amenities, shopping, doctors, vets, restaurants, proximity to surrounding towns, amusement parks, state parks and both oceans all mattered to us. We are big fans of enjoying the state you reside in, and florida has wonders galore…natural and man made that we are enjoying every single month. Highly recommend getting National and state park passes as well.

We were so torn when Fenney and the southside boomed. We are from Lousiana and the Marsh Bend Hogeye area called to our swamp loving hearts for sure. We love to do nature walks. However, we also love convenience in our day to day lives. It takes at LEAST 10 years after The Villages moves into a new area for basic retail, medical, hair, vets, etc to move in and stabilize the commercial and retail sectors. The Villages is just now filling a vacancy in brownwood for the first time that has been there for almost a decade!

We figured with a 10-15 year life expectancy in our new chapter and location, we needed to be realistic about the NOW and near future. What do we do daily? What has us running the roads the least?

We ultimately chose to be almost literally in the dead center of the golden circle and are thrilled with the choice. We chose a wonderful tiny 10 home culdesac with amazing neighbors, mature landscaping, and peace and quiet. Half of our neighbors are in 80s and the other half of us are young 60s, nixing the rumor that everyone in center and north is “old” (which is irrelevant here where most people are active). It is a great mix! We are surrounded by golf galore (we can walk to starter shack in less than five minutes) and have three rec centers/pools/amenities within 5 minute walk. We have three great regional rec centers within a 5-10 minute golf cart ride and dozens of exec and championship courses in that same 10 minute drive. We are midway between Sarasota and Arnold Palmer and use both regularly for practice and lessons. No driving range or good practice facility in entire southside was deal breaker for husband. And Sarasota is ridiculously crowded year round now because developer hasn’t put practice greens, golf school or driving range on south side (which is truly inexcusable IMHO)

The GREAT news is there were hundreds of villages and lifestyle choices we could have made that would also have been great!
We drive down to Edna’s and Hogeye and the Fenney boardwalk (and looking forward to the new nature boardwalk opening soon as well) frequently. These are our “hometown” outings, our field trips, our explorations of our great community that has so ridiculously much to offer. I try to not to laugh when we comment that something is so FAR away. We are retired. We have 16 waking hours a day available every day. The journeys here are all a lovely relaxing golf cart ride away. We are GRATEFUL to be here!!!!

The Villages has gotten too big to pick a homesite that puts you near EVERYTHING. There is simple too much everything for that to be possible. What an amazing conundrum!

ESPECIALLY when I think about my friends retiring across their various hometowns who spend most of their days in their houses, in front of tv or media, with very few offerings on affordable recreation, fitness, sports, etc, and certainly no lifestyle type clubs to explore new interests and passions, no easy access to live music for free at three lovely outdoor venues etc…much less a short walk or relaxing breezy golf cart ride away. My friends who are aging in place are frequently in neighborhoods surrounded by busy young families who don’t have the time or same interests as most retirees. This creates a terrible sense of isolation and boredom amidst a crowd and requires that they get in their cars and drive substantial distances to connect with other retirees with the same interests.

P.s. My favorite unexpected joy so far is being able to hop in the car, drive one hour due west, meet the fishing boats at the Crab Plant on Crystal River and have a great seafood lunch outside on the water, watching manatees and coastal life. After lunch we head out with our fishing rods and a short 10-15 minute drive further we are on a pier in the gulf at Fort Island. We swim, we laze, and we throw perfectly good shrimp in the water in hopes of a good return on investment! We stay til the sun goes down and then enjoy spectacular stargazing lying on a remote dark beach. An hour away!!! Woo hoo!

Good luck to all choosing their next home. Wherever you choose, you will find GOOD people, GOOD health, GOOD lifestyle choices. Amazing!

Very well said! You make many good points.
We just bought a home in Amelia. We'll be snowbirds starting next fall. We're retiring soon. W're really looking forward to being there as we're very active.

Sanford Epstein 02-05-2022 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2057134)
To me 30 minutes in a golf cart is TOO long. TV is/was a golfing community and they are not but building enough golf courses for the newer residents.


63chevy 02-05-2022 09:44 AM

I live by Canal and Odell and here are the times to each course. Belle Glade, 14.4 min., Bonify 12.2 min, Cane Garden 8.00 min, Evans Prairie 11.2 min, Havana 4 min, Mallory Hill 8.20 m, Palmer Legends 14.2 min.

dewilson58 02-05-2022 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2057553)
It helps when you quote the person you're responding to...

No idea which rant you're talking about...

If not attached, assume the OP, but there are plenty of rants if that does not work for you.

kansasr 02-05-2022 10:02 AM

The Future Center
 
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2057482)
I would look more closely at that map if I were you, because St. Catherine's as the center isn't even close. Probably Dunedin or Charlotte fits that bill once construction is finished all the way down to Center Hill

Based upon a current "who owns what" map, the center is just about where The Village Grown site is near Rohan.

Kjbatl 02-05-2022 10:42 AM

Course per homesite
 
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Originally Posted by Tennisbum (Post 2057062)
Just a bit of info to you new home buyers coming south of 44. They have not built any free to play executive courses near you new house since 2019. If you do not include the little pitch and puts, there are 45 holes available (Lowlands, Red Fox, Gray Fox, Longleaf and Loblolly) that are reasonably close. Since 2017 there have been over 13,000 new homes sold. If you buy in St. Catherine those above mentioned courses are the only close executive courses available. Unless you want to do the 1 hour golf cart ride to the "north" side. It may be time to remind the sales people that you really can't sell them as a golf community if you can never get a tee time close to your new home! They built a championship course down this way, but I pay $165 per month to play executive courses for "free". Done with the rant just a heads up!

People complain there are less courses south but that is not an accurate statement. I have posted the math before and South of 44 has some of the lowest homesites per executive course until all of district 13 is built out and there are many homes still to be built. When the northern part of District 13 is complete, they will be between marsh bend and Brownwood area so they would play either ones. Even then we are in the same ballpark as the others. Here are the 4 areas with updated site counts, N of 466 has 1690 homesites per exec course(21,975 homesites,13 courses), S of 466 1440(23054 sites, 16 courses), S of 466A 2014(14103 sites, 7 courses) and S of 44 1976 (11858 sites, 6 courses). Reminder that In S of 44, District 13 has 5658 homesites that are not near fully built so that number is inclusive of all the open areas coming this year. Also for those that don't want to drive their carts that far, it is why the southern courses all have cart rentals where you don't have that in other areas. Not getting a tee time for a single or even a couple should not be a problem.

Boston-Sean 02-05-2022 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Tennisbum (Post 2057062)
Just a bit of info to you new home buyers coming south of 44. They have not built any free to play executive courses near you new house since 2019. If you do not include the little pitch and puts, there are 45 holes available (Lowlands, Red Fox, Gray Fox, Longleaf and Loblolly) that are reasonably close. Since 2017 there have been over 13,000 new homes sold. If you buy in St. Catherine those above mentioned courses are the only close executive courses available. Unless you want to do the 1 hour golf cart ride to the "north" side. It may be time to remind the sales people that you really can't sell them as a golf community if you can never get a tee time close to your new home! They built a championship course down this way, but I pay $165 per month to play executive courses for "free". Done with the rant just a heads up!

This looks like a commitment to golf to me.

Ptmckiou 02-05-2022 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Tennisbum (Post 2057062)
Just a bit of info to you new home buyers coming south of 44. They have not built any free to play executive courses near you new house since 2019. If you do not include the little pitch and puts, there are 45 holes available (Lowlands, Red Fox, Gray Fox, Longleaf and Loblolly) that are reasonably close. Since 2017 there have been over 13,000 new homes sold. If you buy in St. Catherine those above mentioned courses are the only close executive courses available. Unless you want to do the 1 hour golf cart ride to the "north" side. It may be time to remind the sales people that you really can't sell them as a golf community if you can never get a tee time close to your new home! They built a championship course down this way, but I pay $165 per month to play executive courses for "free". Done with the rant just a heads up!

Interesting you fail to mention all the many executive and championship courses in the plans to still be constructed south of 44, along with the new town square Eastport. All built within the next couple of years just on the other side of the new Bexley bridge across from Sawgrass.

Worldseries27 02-05-2022 11:19 AM

To each his own ( 1946 ) aaw.
 
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Originally Posted by tennisbum (Post 2057062)
just a bit of info to you new home buyers coming south of 44. They have not built any free to play executive courses near you new house since 2019. If you do not include the little pitch and puts, there are 45 holes available (lowlands, red fox, gray fox, longleaf and loblolly) that are reasonably close. Since 2017 there have been over 13,000 new homes sold. If you buy in st. Catherine those above mentioned courses are the only close executive courses available. Unless you want to do the 1 hour golf cart ride to the "north" side. It may be time to remind the sales people that you really can't sell them as a golf community if you can never get a tee time close to your new home! They built a championship course down this way, but i pay $165 per month to play executive courses for "free". Done with the rant just a heads up!

i'm glad you described your post as a " rant".
Golf is not at the center of each villager's universe. Those families living here who do not golf also pay the amenities fee which subsidizes your avocation.

tophcfa 02-05-2022 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Boston-Sean (Post 2057597)
This looks like a commitment to golf to me.

Interesting, the map shows 6 miniature golf courses and no more 27 hole Championship Country Clubs.

fredoberer 02-05-2022 11:23 AM

What Country Club?
 
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2057173)
And this is just being figured out now? There is as much golf now in the little area that makes up the Nancy Lopez area, including 27 holes of Championship golf and four nice Executives (and they are building a miniature golf course at the new First Responders Rec area), than there is in the entire area south of 44. Bottom line, the north area is a retirement golfing community, the new southern area is a retirement community that happens to have a little golf available. Did ya notice in the golf magazine included in the daily sun a couple days ago that Southern Oaks is called a Golf Club, and the other 12 Championship courses are called Country Clubs? As far a golf goes, the new business model has changed significantly.

"Hacienda Hills Country Club" should be renamed "Hacienda Hills Golf CLub" since they demolished everything including a great pool. It angers me every time I see what they did.

RayAmb 02-05-2022 11:37 AM

CANT HELP BUT SAY “ WE TOLD YOU SO! “.

South of 44 is trying to live off the north of 44s amenities. Great business model but things are way out of proportion for the residence. No matter what your OPINION is the people who bought north of 44 and were told “ no more homes will be built” ,,,,, don’t like the people from south of 44/coming up to use the amenities. AND THATS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER FROM WHAT I HEAR. Sorry about that. It’s just the truth.
Many of us who are priority members are questioning why we can’t get on a golf course to play. All I know is it was never this way till south of 44 was opened. Again it’s just the truth.

Worldseries27 02-05-2022 12:07 PM

Twilight's last gleaming
 
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Originally Posted by rayamb (Post 2057608)
cant help but say “ we told you so! “.

South of 44 is trying to live off the north of 44s amenities. Great business model but things are way out of proportion for the residence. No matter what your opinion is the people who bought north of 44 and were told “ no more homes will be built” ,,,,, don’t like the people from south of 44/coming up to use the amenities. And thats a significant number from what i hear. Sorry about that. It’s just the truth.
Many of us who are priority members are questioning why we can’t get on a golf course to play. All i know is it was never this way till south of 44 was opened. Again it’s just the truth.

is this a fort sumter moment?

tophcfa 02-05-2022 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by fredoberer (Post 2057605)
"Hacienda Hills Country Club" should be renamed "Hacienda Hills Golf CLub" since they demolished everything including a great pool. It angers me every time I see what they did.

Agree, spot on!

Mrprez 02-05-2022 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by RayAmb (Post 2057608)
CANT HELP BUT SAY “ WE TOLD YOU SO! “.

South of 44 is trying to live off the north of 44s amenities. Great business model but things are way out of proportion for the residence. No matter what your OPINION is the people who bought north of 44 and were told “ no more homes will be built” ,,,,, don’t like the people from south of 44/coming up to use the amenities. AND THATS A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER FROM WHAT I HEAR. Sorry about that. It’s just the truth.
Many of us who are priority members are questioning why we can’t get on a golf course to play. All I know is it was never this way till south of 44 was opened. Again it’s just the truth.

The amenities do not belong to you. They belong to everyone who pays the amenity fees. Our 5 executive courses were easier to get tee times before Water
Lilly bridge was opened. Now, the people from north of 44 are down here using up all “our” tee times. See how that works.

Why does this have to be north against the south? Your beef should be with the developer who crossed 44 not us who bought houses in The Villages south of 44.


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