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Old 07-31-2019, 08:12 AM
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Back in May, the Amenity Authority Committee and the Project Wide Advisory Committee decided to collectively spend over $600,000 in amenities fees on Recreation News for the 2019-2020 fiscal year. Yet two months later, a debate around the publication of Recreation News still persists.

The AAC who is responsible for amenities north of County Road 466 will spend $208,656 to publish and distribute Recreation News, which is released weekly. Whereas the PWAC, which holds responsibility for amenities south of County Road 466, is preparing to spend $448,224 for Recreation News. Based on last year, the PWAC will see a one percent decrease. By the end of this fiscal year, the two committees combined are looking at spending $656,880 towards publication.

The printing and distribution of Recreation News comes with some debate from Villagers. There are advocates who push for the publication of Recreation News to continue, but for it to be published less frequently. Whereas others find no need for any change.

“[It’s] Very useful when visitors need good information,” Wrote Villager, John H.

For this very reason, realtors are among those in favor of the publication, as it acts as a valuable tool for promotion of all of the Villages many recreational activities.
However, those who stand on the other side of the debate argue that the publication is redundant and no longer necessary.

“[It is a] Waste of paper, many events are not listed. A comprehensive and up-to-date web site would be much easier and would reduce waste,” wrote Villager, Penny T.

As of now, John Rohan, The Villages Recreation Director, reported that there is currently work being done to create an online database for Villagers to access. Rohan did not specify on a completion date; however, an online database does already exist on Talk of The Villages through their Activities and Clubs directory.

Villagers seeking an alternative from Recreation News can take advantage of TOTV’s extensive online database of clubs through the Villages Activities page. On this page, users can find activities dates, times, clubs, location of recreation center, and more. As for now, work continues to be by Recreation News to create an online database.
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Old 07-31-2019, 08:56 AM
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There are not just two sides. Why does everyone need to think that life is always a matter of "this, or that?" There is middle ground, and there have been MANY people who have suggested a variety of middle-ground options on this and other TV-related fora.

Here's mine (again):

Make home-delivery of the weekly Rec News be available in the Daily Sun, for an added fee, collected by the Daily Sun. Make it minor - just an extra 50 cents, it won't kill anyone, it's just $26 extra per year for the privilege. For Snowbirds a seasonal subscription could be made available.

Then, add a plexiglass or acrylic-covered bulletin board to every postal station in The Villages. You can put it under the shelter next to the package delivery door. Under lock and key, like they do in most private communities that have community events. On this board you can put a quarterly Rec Center news, with a weekly "change page" to indicate which of those millions of club meetings is changing for that week. No need to reprint the whole thing every single week, if only a couple dozen of them will differ from their usual schedule. New clubs can be added to that week's page, and the next quarter, a new, updated full listing can replace the previous one.

The same thing can be done in the actual Rec Centers. In addition, any special events for that specific rec center can be featured in a dedicated spot on the bulletin board. Things like "Happy birthday to our pool manager Sue" or "The janitor thanks you all for respecting the recycle bins!" Or whatever.

IN ADDITION: make sure each of the Sales Offices has some copies of the quarterly Rec listings, and at least one copy of the weekly change sheet. They can make their own copies on demand. They can also pull it from a PDF file that's provided company-wide to anyone who wants to print it out for their clients and potential buyers.

SUMMARY: these should only be printed on demand, not in bulk. Anyone who wants them delivered should have to pay extra for them.
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Old 07-31-2019, 09:03 AM
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Juzuela, sounds like a fair approach.

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Old 07-31-2019, 09:26 AM
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There are not just two sides. Why does everyone need to think that life is always a matter of "this, or that?" There is middle ground, and there have been MANY people who have suggested a variety of middle-ground options on this and other TV-related fora.

Here's mine (again):

Make home-delivery of the weekly Rec News be available in the Daily Sun, for an added fee, collected by the Daily Sun. Make it minor - just an extra 50 cents, it won't kill anyone, it's just $26 extra per year for the privilege. For Snowbirds a seasonal subscription could be made available.

Then, add a plexiglass or acrylic-covered bulletin board to every postal station in The Villages. You can put it under the shelter next to the package delivery door. Under lock and key, like they do in most private communities that have community events. On this board you can put a quarterly Rec Center news, with a weekly "change page" to indicate which of those millions of club meetings is changing for that week. No need to reprint the whole thing every single week, if only a couple dozen of them will differ from their usual schedule. New clubs can be added to that week's page, and the next quarter, a new, updated full listing can replace the previous one.

The same thing can be done in the actual Rec Centers. In addition, any special events for that specific rec center can be featured in a dedicated spot on the bulletin board. Things like "Happy birthday to our pool manager Sue" or "The janitor thanks you all for respecting the recycle bins!" Or whatever.

IN ADDITION: make sure each of the Sales Offices has some copies of the quarterly Rec listings, and at least one copy of the weekly change sheet. They can make their own copies on demand. They can also pull it from a PDF file that's provided company-wide to anyone who wants to print it out for their clients and potential buyers.

SUMMARY: these should only be printed on demand, not in bulk. Anyone who wants them delivered should have to pay extra for them.
I think that plan creates unnecessary additional complications. The DS now has to have two different subscription rates and that adds accounting steps. And the distribution people have to have two different stacks for the delivery people. They now have to have two different bundles of papers in the car/truck and remember which house gets the insert and which doesn't.


To me, the better solution is to remove the Rec News from the paper entirely. Create an online edition that is updated weekly and publish print copies to be distributed to all the rec centers, sales offices, and any other business that wishes to have them. This allows those that have online capability to get theirs and those who prefer to hold a paper copy to have theirs.
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Old 07-31-2019, 09:48 AM
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I think that plan creates unnecessary additional complications. The DS now has to have two different subscription rates and that adds accounting steps. And the distribution people have to have two different stacks for the delivery people. They now have to have two different bundles of papers in the car/truck and remember which house gets the insert and which doesn't.


To me, the better solution is to remove the Rec News from the paper entirely. Create an online edition that is updated weekly and publish print copies to be distributed to all the rec centers, sales offices, and any other business that wishes to have them. This allows those that have online capability to get theirs and those who prefer to hold a paper copy to have theirs.
That would work too! Thing is, there's no need to think that there are only two options: online only, or the way it is now.

As in most things, there are usually more than just two options. More than just black or white, more than just yes or no.

The OP's post implies that there must only be two possible outcomes, and this is unfair to the majority of residents, visitors, and potential buyers.
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That would work too! Thing is, there's no need to think that there are only two options: online only, or the way it is now.

As in most things, there are usually more than just two options. More than just black or white, more than just yes or no.

The OP's post implies that there must only be two possible outcomes, and this is unfair to the majority of residents, visitors, and potential buyers.
Thanks for pointing that out. I didn't intend to portray the content in that manner, and should have quoted an additional person who stands in the middle on the issue. I will go back in and edit this content to help change the tone of the material. Thanks again!
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Old 07-31-2019, 10:27 AM
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I think that plan creates unnecessary additional complications. The DS now has to have two different subscription rates and that adds accounting steps. And the distribution people have to have two different stacks for the delivery people. They now have to have two different bundles of papers in the car/truck and remember which house gets the insert and which doesn't.


To me, the better solution is to remove the Rec News from the paper entirely. Create an online edition that is updated weekly and publish print copies to be distributed to all the rec centers, sales offices, and any other business that wishes to have them. This allows those that have online capability to get theirs and those who prefer to hold a paper copy to have theirs.
This continues to make the most sense. Saves a lot of money and doesn't create another bunch of options.
BTW mine goes in the recycle bin without ever being opened.
If thousands of tee times can be scheduled weekly, an online Rec News should be a piece of cake!
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Old 07-31-2019, 10:32 AM
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The current addition of the Rec News is on-line at thevillagesdailysun.com. There is a search facility if you are looking for something specific.

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Old 07-31-2019, 10:48 AM
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In May, the Amenity Authority Committee and the Project Wide Advisory Committee decided to collectively spend over $800,000 in amenities fees on Recreation News for the 2019-2020 fiscal year. However, this decision from May is still receiving mixed views.

The AAC who is responsible for amenities north of County Road 466 will spend $245,306 to publish and distribute Recreation News, which is released weekly. This will cause a four percent increase from the previous year. Whereas the PWAC, which holds responsibility for amenities south of County Road 466, is preparing to spend $565,020 for Recreation News. Based on last year, the PWAC will see a one percent decrease. By the end of this fiscal year, the two committees combined are looking at spending $810,326 towards publication.

The printing and distribution of Recreation News comes with some debate from Villagers. On one side, Villagers find the content relevant and helpful.

“[It’s] Very useful when visitors need good information,” Wrote Villager, John H.

For this very reason, realtors are among those in favor of the publication, as it acts as a valuable tool for promotion of all of the Villages many recreational activities.
However, those who stand on the other side of the debate argue that the publication is redundant and no longer necessary.

“[It is a] Waste of paper, many events are not listed. A comprehensive and up-to-date web site would be much easier and would reduce waste,” wrote Villager, Penny T.

As of now, John Rohan, The Villages Recreation Director, reported that there is currently work being done to create an online database for Villagers to access. Rohan did not specify on a completion date; however, an online database does already exist on Talk of The Villages through their Activities and Clubs directory.

Villagers seeking an alternative from Recreation News can take advantage of TOTV’s extensive online database of clubs through the Villages Activities page. On this page, users can find activities dates, times, clubs, location of recreation center, and more. As for now, work continues to be by Recreation News to create an online database.
For the sake of accuracy the actual number in the budget for the Rec News is $208,656 north of CR466 and $448,224 south of CR466 for a total of $656,880. The remaining amount in the budget is for the printing and publication of the rest of the printed materials, forms, and paperwork necessary to run the amenities.

The Recreation News is included in the Amenity Purchase as an asset and has certain intrinsic values that add to the value of the amenities. The paper Rec News has the ability to reach 100% of the population/target audience and does not rely on the user possessing the hardware and ability access the media unlike an on-line version. Without residents using the amenities they lose much of their value, value that is of primary interest to the bond holders and the underwriters.

The Rec News is available on-line and efforts are being made to improve it as an on-line resource. Even putting it on-line has significant costs that cannot be avoided, layout and design of the publications represent a substantial portion of the costs involved in its production and distribution. The technology side of making it available on-line is also very expensive to ensure usability and reliability. While the internet may be free for the end user, the content providers pay significant costs to provide their content. Most websites rely on advertising dollars to offset this cost, no advertising is included in the districtgov.org website and therefore all costs must be paid directly.
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This continues to make the most sense. Saves a lot of money and doesn't create another bunch of options.
BTW mine goes in the recycle bin without ever being opened.
If thousands of tee times can be scheduled weekly, an online Rec News should be a piece of cake!

It is easy to say just build it but no one has yet to ask how much that will cost. How much did it cost to develop the tee time system and maintain it? It may sound cheaper but it also could wind up costing more in the long run. The rational of "I do not use it so do away with it" is not a good litmus test for need or use of something. How about a real survey, poll or vote of Villagers with input into how they would like to proceed forward. The Daily News page is not a data base and is not user friendly.
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Old 07-31-2019, 11:34 AM
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Goldwingnut, the paper version has the ability to reach MUCH more than 100%, and that is exactly the problem with it. How many of these inserts are actually read, every week, by the entire 100% of possible people it is able to reach?

How many of these inserts are read by 100% of the number of issues printed?

What is the numeric difference, the math, between the number of issues printed and the number of readers who read it, every week?

How many people not only don't read it, but just dump it in the trash? How much paper, ink, energy, electricity, effort, man-hours, machine maintenance cost, is wasted by all that excess, every year?

And there are people who do NOT live all year round in the Villages, but would like to keep up with the goings-on in the rec centers where they live. Maybe they're members of multiple clubs and don't want to have to go to each club's individual website every week just to find out IF there's news. And some clubs don't HAVE websites of their own, making it even more important for snowbirds and people who just aren't there for a month, to maintain a connection to those clubs and activities.

They don't need to subscribe to the entire Daily Sun just so they can find out about a handful of clubs in their own rec center.

So the online edition, as a separate entity not directly connected to the Daily Sun, seems pretty important. Especially since you have to pay extra for the paper version of Daily Sun, and as you said - rec center news is an amenity that comes out of your amenity fee.

Paper copies should be made available but it stands to reason, if you are interested in rec center activities, it's because you actually go to them once in awhile. So there should be no hardship in going to a rec center to get a paper copy, if you don't have internet access or a printer to print your own out.

Agreed that there is absolutely an expense involved in having a dedicated webpage, but even that could be attached to TheVillages.com main website, available to the public. And the expense would be less. Even if it's only $5000 less per year, that's $5000 less PLUS how much paper that gets wasted. I get that a lot of folks don't seem to give a hoot about waste. Throwing things away, who cares, trees will grow, not my problem. But some people DO care, and this would satisfy people who care and want to do their part to conserve when practical. It is a practical solution to eliminate automatic weekly delivery of the weekly rec news, and implement any of a myriad of alternatives.
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Recreation News insert of The Daily Sun in the news.....AGAIN!!!
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Will some IT professional or 'on-line proponent' please identify the annual cost to design, test, implement and maintain publishing the Recreation News on its own website? How can anyone be a proponent for an on-line version if that cost is going to be higher than paper and ink publication? TIA
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Will some IT professional or 'on-line proponent' please identify the annual cost to design, test, implement and maintain publishing the Recreation News on its own website? How can anyone be a proponent for an on-line version if that cost is going to be higher than paper and ink publication? TIA
Why would it need its own website? The Villages has a website. It can be made a page on that site. They already own the domain.
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Why would it need its own website? The Villages has a website. It can be made a page on that site. They already own the domain.
And poof it just appears from the CLOUD! Get a cost of this work, then see if it feasible.
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