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dewilson58 06-12-2024 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by gatorbill1 (Post 2340325)
Not what Fed reported today. 2.8% inflation and 4% unemployment. Pretty Good economy.

I'll talk technical..............2.8% is wrong.

CoachKandSportsguy 06-12-2024 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2340367)
I'll talk technical..............2.8% is wrong.

:beer3:

To answer the OP question:

Happiness has nothing to do with inflation. . .

Its whether the ball goes in the hole in par :pepper2: or more :swear:

Vermilion Villager 06-12-2024 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2340211)
Yes, but inflation is a killer as well.............it's a huge tax.

:read:

Yes....but who do you blame?
From Supermarket News: In March, Publix reported net earnings of $4.3 billion in 2023, up nearly 50% from the $2.9 billion reported in 2022.

dewilson58 06-12-2024 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2340372)
Yes....but who do you blame?
From Supermarket News: In March, Publix reported net earnings of $4.3 billion in 2023, up nearly 50% from the $2.9 billion reported in 2022.

Look past the headlines:
Excluding the impact of net unrealized gains on equity securities in 2023 and net unrealized losses on equity securities in 2022, net earnings for the fiscal year ended Dec. 30, 2023 would have been $4.1 billion, compared to $4 billion in 2022, an increase of 1%.

Does that make you feel better???

mtdjed 06-12-2024 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2340318)
Stats say 7.0%, 6.5%, IRA, 3.4%, 3.3% (through first five months). Looks like a significant drop to me.

Causation or just correlation? I imagine books will be written attempting to answer that.

and how about the rest of the story. If you have the right numbers, prices are still rising, not dropping. The numbers above only show the rate of inflation is decreasing, not the prices.

Just finished an article about soft drink prices. Coke, Pepsi and others have used COVID and inflation to raise their prices from $4 a 12 Pack to $7 to $9. They are also increasing their margins as the test the market to see how much they will absorb.

Once the inflation door is open, they get us used to the higher prices they won't go back. Nobody out there looking to reduce price unless the market uses its power.

Stu from NYC 06-12-2024 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2340348)
Who held the purse strings during that time?

Clinton got all the credit but it was really a shared bipartisan result

Bill14564 06-12-2024 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by mtdjed (Post 2340383)
and how about the rest of the story. If you have the right numbers, prices are still rising, not dropping. The numbers above only show the rate of inflation is decreasing, not the prices.

Just finished an article about soft drink prices. Coke, Pepsi and others have used COVID and inflation to raise their prices from $4 a 12 Pack to $7 to $9. They are also increasing their margins as the test the market to see how much they will absorb.

Once the inflation door is open, they get us used to the higher prices they won't go back. Nobody out there looking to reduce price unless the market uses its power.

The definition of inflation is the rate of increase in prices. As long as inflation is greater than zero, prices will be increasing. The numbers show the rate of inflation is decreasing which means the prices are increasing more slowly this year than they did last year or the year before. That is what inflation means.

Coke prices were more than $4 for a 12 pack before COVID. We drink a lot of it and I have been shopping for sales for a long time now. Increasing their margins as a test of what the market will bear? You realize that's the way capitalism works, right?

There may be some slight corrections to prices that have increased too rapidly but overall, we have what we have. I believe this is a good thing since a major decrease in prices, deflation, is a sign of a problem in the economy. But, that discussion is best left to those who have spent much more time studying economics.

Rainger99 06-12-2024 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2340385)
Coke prices were more than $4 for a 12 pack before COVID.

You could almost always get a 12 pack of coke or Pepsi for $2.99 pre Covid. This was not the regular price but it was the sale price. They usually went on sale about once a month. Since moving to the Villages, coke is usually buy 2, get 1 free. Pepsi s occasionally buy 2, get 2.

Right now, Pepsi is $9.49 for a 12 pack at Winn Dixie and $9.59 at Publix. At Walmart, a 12 pack is $7.28 or $11.58 for a 24 pack.

Vermilion Villager 06-12-2024 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2340375)
Look past the headlines:
Excluding the impact of net unrealized gains on equity securities in 2023 and net unrealized losses on equity securities in 2022, net earnings for the fiscal year ended Dec. 30, 2023 would have been $4.1 billion, compared to $4 billion in 2022, an increase of 1%.

Does that make you feel better???

See........ this is how people try to justify billionaire corporations being billionaire corporations. Lifted from Publix corporate website:Net earnings for the fiscal year ended Dec. 30, 2023 were $4.3 billion, compared to $2.9 billion in 2022, an increase of 49%.
A savvy accounting firm could create a spreadsheet that showed you Publix was damn near bankrupt!!!:rolleyes:

Caymus 06-13-2024 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2340395)
See........ this is how people try to justify billionaire corporations being billionaire corporations. Lifted from Publix corporate website:Net earnings for the fiscal year ended Dec. 30, 2023 were $4.3 billion, compared to $2.9 billion in 2022, an increase of 49%.
A savvy accounting firm could create a spreadsheet that showed you Publix was damn near bankrupt!!!:rolleyes:

So, employee-owned Publix is a corrupt corporation?

villager7591 06-13-2024 06:01 AM

By "fortunate," if you mean we worked hard, didn't spend frivolously, saved...then yes, I agree, I am fortunate.

villager7591 06-13-2024 06:03 AM

It was 1.7% three and a half years ago. So, am I happy with 3.3 ? No !

CoachKandSportsguy 06-13-2024 06:06 AM

What makes inflation hard to handle is that it's an everyday phenomena, whereas your annual salary / hourly rate / social security payment increase is only once a year, to catchup to the past. So unless you are in a place to raise your own income faster, then your income is always behind the cost increase curve. . . .

So what's good for investments in corporations (rising prices, increased profits) is not good for consumers, and what's good for consumers (cheap prices, very slowly increasing) , is not good for corporations. . pick your poison. . . and for this reason, some of your assets should be invested in corporations. . .

If corps want to grow profits and price inflation is zero( zero revenue growth) , then the only way they can get their bonuses is to reduce costs. To reduce costs, they can squeeze their material supply chain, or lay off people and replace them with automation .

This is where automation will kill the consumer economy by replacing consumers with automation. . and the only offset is to increase taxes on corporations and reduce taxes / increase support to consumers. . .

be careful what you wish for. .

Normal 06-13-2024 06:23 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2340425)
What makes inflation hard to handle is that it's an everyday phenomena, whereas your annual salary / hourly rate / social security payment increase is only once a year, to catchup to the past. So unless you are in a place to raise your own income faster, then your income is always behind the cost increase curve. . . .

So what's good for investments in corporations (rising prices, increased profits) is not good for consumers, and what's good for consumers (cheap prices, very slowly increasing) , is not good for corporations. . pick your poison. . . and for this reason, some of your assets should be invested in corporations. . .

If corps want to grow profits and price inflation is zero( zero revenue growth) , then the only way they can get their bonuses is to reduce costs. To reduce costs, they can squeeze their material supply chain, or lay off people and replace them with automation .

This is where automation will kill the consumer economy by replacing consumers with automation. . and the only offset is to increase taxes on corporations and reduce taxes / increase support to consumers. . .

be careful what you wish for. .

Taxes on corporations are a bad thing. Guess who pays that bill? The consumer

Byte1 06-13-2024 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by gatorbill1 (Post 2340325)
Not what Fed reported today. 2.8% inflation and 4% unemployment. Pretty Good economy.

:a20::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Byte1 06-13-2024 06:39 AM

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Originally Posted by bmcgowan13 (Post 2340337)
I was a federal employee from 1978-2012. I remember when President Bill Clinton left office and there was a budget SURPLUS...We (federal employees) all thought we would get a piece of that. Ah, the good old days...

From Wiki... [Clinton] had budget surpluses for fiscal years 1998–2001, the only such years from 1970 to 2023. Clinton's final four budgets were balanced budgets with surpluses, beginning with the 1997 budget.


What happened? How did we go off track?? What lead to this inflation and the recession of 2008?

"The Great Recession of 2008 to 2009 was the worst economic downturn in the U.S. since the Great Depression. Domestic product declined 4.3%, the unemployment rate doubled to more than 10%, home prices fell roughly 30% and at its worst point, the S&P 500 was down 57% from its highs."

You are tragically on point...we are leaving our economic mess (and financial burden) to our children and grandchildren. I know that our Social Security and Medicare benefits are always on the table as a solution but is that fair? You and I paid for Medicare and SS benefits for more than 40-50 years--but the government (including our Senator Rick Scott) wants to "revisit" our benefits to reduce taxes.

Not a simple solution to be sure...

"Budget???" That's funny. Does anyone REALLY understand the meaning of "budget?" A budget is just a plan for the following year (in this case). He had a budget plan of spending for the following year, which did NOT include his being in office. An interesting CATO article:
https://www.cato.org/commentary/no-b...alance-budget#

But, let's stick to the subject, which is "Inflation."

jimbomaybe 06-13-2024 06:46 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2340425)
What makes inflation hard to handle is that it's an everyday phenomena, whereas your annual salary / hourly rate / social security payment increase is only once a year, to catchup to the past. So unless you are in a place to raise your own income faster, then your income is always behind the cost increase curve. . . .

So what's good for investments in corporations (rising prices, increased profits) is not good for consumers, and what's good for consumers (cheap prices, very slowly increasing) , is not good for corporations. . pick your poison. . . and for this reason, some of your assets should be invested in corporations. . .

If corps want to grow profits and price inflation is zero( zero revenue growth) , then the only way they can get their bonuses is to reduce costs. To reduce costs, they can squeeze their material supply chain, or lay off people and replace them with automation .

This is where automation will kill the consumer economy by replacing consumers with automation. . and the only offset is to increase taxes on corporations and reduce taxes / increase support to consumers. . .

be careful what you wish for. .

Raising the taxes on businesses adds to their cost of doing business and of course that is added to the prices they charge , the standard of living is determined by how productive the supply chain works, the supply chain is the function of business, competitive pressure is always at work to lower cost because that makes for a higher profit, you go to work to put money in your pocket, businesses exist for the same reason, corps/business do not cause inflation they deal with it

Byte1 06-13-2024 06:54 AM

Since some folks live on a fixed income, inflation hurts us more than those that have investments that are dependent on high interest rates. Inflation may go down but prices don't. In order to see the damage inflation does, you have to compare today's prices with yesteryear's prices. In many cases prices do not go down, once raised. Creating a personal budget for the year damaged by high inflation rates for retirees on a fixed income means cutting luxuries in order to pay for necessities. Like someone else said, inflation going down, does not mean costs go down. It just means that increases level off, but they do not go back to pre-inflationary prices. I am happy for those that have investments dependent on the stock market when inflation means interest rates go up, that doesn't help everyone else. Damages caused by inflation hardly ever repairs itself. I don't applaud a 3.3% inflation rate, when the damage from accumulated inflation for the last three years will take years to rebound from.

Keefelane66 06-13-2024 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Caymus (Post 2340413)
So, employee-owned Publix is a corrupt corporation?

No but they are obviously marking up prices.

Normal 06-13-2024 08:57 AM

Higher Prices
 
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Originally Posted by Keefelane66 (Post 2340455)
No but they are obviously marking up prices.

I kind of relate to them as Wegmans up north. They are higher priced, but I don’t feel like traveling a lot for groceries.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-13-2024 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2340203)
Why are people happy with 3.3% inflation??

Stock market jumps.
Buy/Buy/Buy.

I guess it's better than 9.9%.

Are you happy??

Well let's see. Four years ago my income was my part time job at Publix, maybe $400/month total. Bursitis forced me to quit, and my income went to zero. Last year I turned 62, and now get $958/month in Social Security. Hubby was, and still is, providing all the rest in Social Security, pension, and a 2-day/week job.

I'd say we're doing great.

CoachKandSportsguy 06-13-2024 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2340428)
Taxes on corporations are a bad thing. Guess who pays that bill? The consumer

So how do consumers consume if the employers keep eliminating them. Jobs aren't unlimited, and paying above minimum wage jobs are getting smaller. . .

If you think that the minimum wage consumers can keep this entire economy growing, you haven't been in the work force lately.

theory is great, until it doesn't scale and work in real life.

JMintzer 06-13-2024 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2340356)
Sorry, I don’t see the value judgment in my statement.

But now that you mention it, 3.3% is a whole lot better than 6.5% or 7.0%

Yet you keep ignoring that that 3.3% is still significant;y hicher than 3.5 years ago and when added to the nearly 17% cumulative inflation of the 3 .5 previous years, you have a 20% increase in prices...

But sure, it's better than a 25% increase in prices, so we got that going for us... Which is nice...

Kinda' like receiving "total consciousness on your death bead"...

JMintzer 06-13-2024 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Stu from NYC (Post 2340384)
Clinton got all the credit but it was really a shared bipartisan result

"He turned me into a NEWT..."

Bill14564 06-13-2024 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2340635)
Yet you keep ignoring that that 3.3% is still significant;y hicher than 3.5 years ago and when added to the nearly 17% cumulative inflation of the 3 .5 previous years, you have a 20% increase in prices...

But sure, it's better than a 25% increase in prices, so we got that going for us... Which is nice...

Kinda' like receiving "total consciousness on your death bead"...

3.5 years ago, 2021? Inflation at that time was 7%; is that what you want?

Yes, inflation has been lower in the recent past. Most years since 1996 have had inflation rates less than 3%. I would certainly prefer 1% over 3.3% but I see a decreasing trend over the last four years as a positive sign.

Stu from NYC 06-13-2024 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2340651)
3.5 years ago, 2021? Inflation at that time was 7%; is that what you want?

Yes, inflation has been lower in the recent past. Most years since 1996 have had inflation rates less than 3%. I would certainly prefer 1% over 3.3% but I see a decreasing trend over the last four years as a positive sign.

I do believe that for those of us without a mortgage cost of living increases are substantially higher than what they are telling us.

dewilson58 06-13-2024 09:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2340428)
Taxes on corporations are a bad thing. Guess who pays that bill? The consumer

Agree.

In the weeds with debits and credits................"Tax big nasty corporations".

Reality: No such thing as Taxes on Corporations. It's jus another cost of doing business and who pays for these costs, plus margin???

Hmmmmmmmmmmm

MorTech 06-14-2024 01:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Two Bills (Post 2340260)
People keep banging on about the debt our kids will have to pick up.
It's our kids who have been running the show for years.:shrug:
Blame them.
Our turn at the wheel has long passed.

That is probably true now...The under 50 year old vote the future. They will continue to try and vote themselves "free stuff" and will end up starving...like the third world. Maybe they will figure it out.

"From each according to their ability, to each according to their need" makes for an unable and needy society...Always :)

Normal 06-14-2024 06:52 AM

Does it matter
 
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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2340616)
So how do consumers consume if the employers keep eliminating them. Jobs aren't unlimited, and paying above minimum wage jobs are getting smaller. . .

If you think that the minimum wage consumers can keep this entire economy growing, you haven't been in the work force lately.

theory is great, until it doesn't scale and work in real life.

If the government taxes a product/company, the price of the product goes up to cover the loss.

It’s fairly simple really.

No business is out to work for a loss.

opinionist 06-14-2024 07:07 AM

Inflation can be viewed as the growth of debt since money is now printed to create new debt.
The greatest scam in history involves creating new debt (a few keystrokes) and collecting interest on that debt.
Money could have been created with non-interest-bearing treasury notes, but that would deprive banker families of enormous wealth.

U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time

JRcorvette 06-14-2024 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2340203)
Why are people happy with 3.3% inflation??

Stock market jumps.
Buy/Buy/Buy.

I guess it's better than 9.9%.

Are you happy??

It is not Really 3.3%… not on items that we purchase every day! Try more like 18%
No I am not happy at all because it could have been avoided!

dewilson58 06-14-2024 08:02 AM

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Originally Posted by JRcorvette (Post 2340779)
It is not Really 3.3%… not on items that we purchase every day! Try more like 18%
No I am not happy at all because it could have been avoided!

3.3% is the last 12 months.

Your 18% is the last ~3 years.
In MANY cases, it's 30%, 40%, 50%, etc.
Very Painful.

JMintzer 06-14-2024 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2340651)
3.5 years ago, 2021? Inflation at that time was 7%; is that what you want?

Yes, inflation has been lower in the recent past. Most years since 1996 have had inflation rates less than 3%. I would certainly prefer 1% over 3.3% but I see a decreasing trend over the last four years as a positive sign.

Ridiculous question.

But sure, keep crowing how great the inflation rate is. You seem to be the only one who actually believes that nonsense...

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-14-2024 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by JRcorvette (Post 2340779)
It is not Really 3.3%… not on items that we purchase every day! Try more like 18%
No I am not happy at all because it could have been avoided!

I pay no tax at all on milk, bread, meat, fish, cheese, and many other items at the supermarket. Those are my "every day" purchases.

JMintzer 06-14-2024 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2340848)
I pay no tax at all on milk, bread, meat, fish, cheese, and many other items at the supermarket. Those are my "every day" purchases.

Who mentioned taxes on food?

Plinker 06-14-2024 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 2340810)
3.3% is the last 12 months.

Your 18% is the last ~3 years.
In MANY cases, it's 30%, 40%, 50%, etc.
Very Painful.

True.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people are math-challenged.
They apparently don’t realize that the current 3% inflation rate is on top of the already 20% (or more) hike in prices. In order for prices of goods to actually decrease would require a negative inflation rate.

Normal 06-14-2024 03:19 PM

You pay it
 
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2340855)
Who mentioned taxes on food?

You pay it, it’s just hidden and placed in the purchase price of food. Fuel taxes for transportation etc.

JMintzer 06-14-2024 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Normal (Post 2340963)
You pay it, it’s just hidden and placed in the purchase price of food. Fuel taxes for transportation etc.

It's got nothing to do with inflation, which is the topic of the thread...

dewilson58 06-14-2024 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Plinker (Post 2340962)
True.
It never ceases to amaze me how many people are math-challenged.
They apparently don’t realize that the current 3% inflation rate is on top of the already 20% (or more) hike in prices. In order for prices of goods to actually decrease would require a negative inflation rate.

As they say.................it's a huge tax on everyone.
It's more painful for "lower income" individuals.
People don't realize...............they jus incurred a 20% tax.....every year going forward.

O U C H !!!

dewilson58 06-14-2024 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2340855)
Who mentioned taxes on food?

Was trying to follow the "logic" as well.

:22yikes:


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