Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 730720)

I doubt that. Take away the gun and you take away their courage.

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 730560)

Looks like a hate crime to me. They deserve the death penalty. Such a cowardly brutal act!

Originally Posted by dillywho (Post 730836)

I have the same solution for these guys and for gang-bangers:

You like to kill? Fine. You're bored? Fine. We can handle that.

You will be on the next ship out to the front fighting lines. Just a gun and zero training; you seem to know how to kill, anyway. Let's see how you handle it with someone just a little tougher than you and just as hell-bent on killing someone/something.:mad::mad::mad:

Originally Posted by dillywho (Post 730870)

I did not have the privilege of being a stay-at-home mom, but I have two sons that grew up to be outstanding adults. I was an integral part of their lives (unlike dad) and my word was LAW....not even up for discussion. My youngest son's friend once remarked to him, "Aw, Shannon, your mom's not going to do anything." to which he replied, "You don't know my mom and I'm not gonna try her!" I was never a parent to say, "Oh, my child wouldn't do that." Kids will do what they think/know they can get by with. I listened to their side, as well. When they were wrong, they were wrong and when they were right, they were right. They learned early on that lying would make things a whole lot worse (besides, they were really bad at it). They also attended church, were involved in scouting, the Y, and an organization known as Kids, Inc. which involved them in supervised sports events.

Kids today have zero discipline, have no concept of the word "no", and are allowed to do "their own thing". Excuse me, but that is why the good Lord gives us parents....to teach and guide. Time-out is a total joke. What ever happened to plain ole hard work and the proverbial woodshed? If my boys were in trouble in school.....they were in more when they got home. They had boundaries and they had chores. Believe me, I could find plenty to keep them from being "bored". They both had jobs in high school, too.

Were my kids perfect? Not by a long shot, but they were never involved in anything remotely serious, either. Both are now retired from the Navy. working on second careers. They both told me that the ones who couldn't adjust to service life were the ones who never had to do anything at home and had very little, if any, discipline. One made the remark right after going off to basic, "Now, I understand why we were told only once to do or not do something."

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 730720)

I doubt that. Take away the gun and you take away their courage.

Originally Posted by gomoho (Post 730974)

Take away their gun and they'll just go buy another one. If only it were that easy. Have to change their minds - not the gun laws.

Originally Posted by dillywho (Post 730836)

I have the same solution for these guys and for gang-bangers:

You like to kill? Fine. You're bored? Fine. We can handle that.

You will be on the next ship out to the front fighting lines. Just a gun and zero training; you seem to know how to kill, anyway. Let's see how you handle it with someone just a little tougher than you and just as hell-bent on killing someone/something.:mad::mad::mad:

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 731195)

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 731199)

All THREE of them? Not statistically likely.

I say if you want to see something awful just look at the tape of those kids beating the hell out of another kid on the school bus recently while the driver stood by.

It was the first time I had witnessed such a beating. The power and vengeance and hatred. The pummeling and the kicking and the sheer strength by those young men. They could have killed the victim, any one of them with their bare hands and feet in shoes. THAT WAS horrible to me and very eye opening. A human brain can't survive that kind of repeated pummeling.

It makes me think of another beating recently in the news.

Nothing is simple. Nothing.

I will think again before using the old phrase beat the hell out of....Nothing like that ever occurred in my world.

The following are environmental factors, psychiatrists say, which create a sociopath:
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Studies show that 60% of psychopathic individuals had lost a parent;

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Child is deprived of love or nurturing; parents are detached or absent;

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Inconsistent discipline: if father is stern and mother is soft, child learns to hate authority and manipulate mother;

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Hypocritical parents who privately belittle the child while publicly presenting the image of a "happy family".

Originally Posted by mikeod (Post 731146)

Umm, no. They don't deserve to even think about wearing the same uniform I wore. I wouldn't trust them to be anywhere around our troops with a loaded weapon. Now, if you want to use them as a human shield, or to search for land mines or IEDs, unarmed, that's OK.