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Velvet 04-23-2019 01:58 PM

“Unequals” in my interpretation recognizes that some of us are less able to do certain things than others, those who need wheelchairs as compared to those who don’t, the young as compared to the adults etc. the vulnerable as compared to those who are not.

Velvet 04-23-2019 02:53 PM

I prefer my interpretation. I suppose one could refer to inequalities created by man, vs inequalities created by nature. One is in someone’s imagination and the other is scientific.

spring_chicken 04-23-2019 05:28 PM

I find it odd when people say that their generation was better than any other, then proceed to whine when people from another generation want to have a club and not include the person that goes out of their way to insult them due to their age.
The under sixty clubs are fun because nobody is making passive aggressive jabs at them because of their age.

Moderator 04-24-2019 06:56 AM

The off topic discussion that has derailed this thread has been moved to its own thread, “Later in life marriage”.

Moderator

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 04-24-2019 06:59 AM

Old people are all paranoid.

ColdNoMore 04-24-2019 07:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moderator (Post 1644590)
The off topic discussion that has derailed this thread has been moved to its own thread, “Later in life marriage”.

Moderator

Thank you very much for making the effort to create another thread...so as to keep some very good posts intact. :thumbup:

Classy!
:ho:

Later In Life Thread (poke here)

ColdNoMore 04-24-2019 07:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spring_chicken (Post 1644472)
I find it odd when people say that their generation was better than any other, then proceed to whine when people from another generation want to have a club and not include the person that goes out of their way to insult them due to their age.

The under sixty clubs are fun because nobody is making passive aggressive jabs at them because of their age.

:agree:


:thumbup:

kkaiser1213 04-29-2019 06:25 AM

Absolutely agree. Life is too short to worry about silly things like age (unless you are being denied a right because of your age), particularly when there are so many serious issue facing us today. BTW: I'm 61, have let my hair go white and don't give a rip about what others think.

JackB 04-29-2019 09:56 AM

Senior citizens are constantly being criticized for every conceivable deficiency of the modern world, real or imaginary. We know we take responsibility for all we have done and do not try to blame others.

HOWEVER, upon reflection, we would like to point out that it was NOT senior citizens who took:

The melody out of music,

The pride out of appearance,

The courtesy out of driving,

The romance out of love,

The commitment out of marriage,

The responsibility out of parenthood,

The togetherness out of the family,

The learning out of education

The service out of patriotism,

The Golden Rule from rulers,

The nativity scene out of cities,

The civility out of behavior,

The refinement out of language,

The dedication out of employment,

The prudence out of spending,

The ambition out of achievement or
God out of government and school.

sipops 04-29-2019 10:23 AM

Well said.

tophcfa 04-29-2019 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackB (Post 1645947)
Senior citizens are constantly being criticized for every conceivable deficiency of the modern world, real or imaginary. We know we take responsibility for all we have done and do not try to blame others.

HOWEVER, upon reflection, we would like to point out that it was NOT senior citizens who took:

The melody out of music,

The pride out of appearance,

The courtesy out of driving,

The romance out of love,

The commitment out of marriage,

The responsibility out of parenthood,

The togetherness out of the family,

The learning out of education

The service out of patriotism,

The Golden Rule from rulers,

The nativity scene out of cities,

The civility out of behavior,

The refinement out of language,

The dedication out of employment,

The prudence out of spending,

The ambition out of achievement or
God out of government and school.

Wow, great post!

NewRealms 04-29-2019 12:43 PM

Certainly there is age prejudice in the work force. Why hire someone who will give you less years and is not necessarily up with today's tech and trends. But, that's just business. Does the elder have more to offer by way of wisdom gleaned over the years? Of course. But, that's a long game intangible and not attractive to the instant gratification crowd.
RICK

NewRealms 04-29-2019 12:49 PM

Another thought occurred to me. Do you think that those growing older harbor their own prejudices against growing old? Have we been set up to think of ageing in just one way? Marginalization, health issues, loneliness, depression, financial issues? I think there is another way to think about it so we don't stereotype ourselves.
RICK

rmd2 04-29-2019 03:44 PM

My sentiments exactly.

CFrance 04-29-2019 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackB (Post 1645947)
Senior citizens are constantly being criticized for every conceivable deficiency of the modern world, real or imaginary. We know we take responsibility for all we have done and do not try to blame others.

HOWEVER, upon reflection, we would like to point out that it was NOT senior citizens who took:

The melody out of music,

The pride out of appearance,

The courtesy out of driving,

The romance out of love,

The commitment out of marriage,

The responsibility out of parenthood,

The togetherness out of the family,

The learning out of education

The service out of patriotism,

The Golden Rule from rulers,

The nativity scene out of cities,

The civility out of behavior,

The refinement out of language,

The dedication out of employment,

The prudence out of spending,

The ambition out of achievement or
God out of government and school.

I don't know where you got this list, but it certainly has not been my experience with the younger generation, our own kids nor their friends. The last five on the list, especially. And they weren't the ones who took nativity out of the cities. It was our generation who did that.


Some of their music is different. A lot of their music appreciation is from classical on up. Are you talking about people whose parents didn't give a rip about raising/educating them? Because I don't know where this list is coming from, nor do I see it in most younger generations that I'm in contact with.


My kids are politer and more considerate and less entitled than a lot of us old fogies I come in contact with.


What a broad brush that list paints with.

Shbullet 04-29-2019 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1645957)
Wow, great post!

I find the list to be totally ridiculous and extremely inaccurate

Shbullet 04-29-2019 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1646033)
I don't know where you got this list, but it certainly has not been my experience with the younger generation, our own kids nor their friends. The last five on the list, especially. And they weren't the ones who took nativity out of the cities. It was our generation who did that.


Some of their music is different. A lot of their music appreciation is from classical on up. Are you talking about people whose parents didn't give a rip about raising/educating them? Because I don't know where this list is coming from, nor do I see it in most younger generations that I'm in contact with.


My kids are politer and more considerate and less entitled than a lot of us old fogies I come in contact with.


What a broad brush that list paints with.

Very well said and i agree totally.

OrangeBlossomBaby 04-29-2019 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shbullet (Post 1646060)
I find the list to be totally ridiculous and extremely inaccurate

It's a meme that dates back at *least* to 2008. I didn't check to see if it went back any further, I'd have to do a different type of google search for that.

Suffice it to say it would be used to attempt to apply to pretty much any generation. It's what our grandparents said to us, and probably what their grandparents said to them. Emotional tripe, mostly, a poor attempt at a guilt trip.

And certainly not true.

perrjojo 04-30-2019 02:56 PM

I recently traveled alone from Orlando to Portland. It seems on every turn I was being “helped”. I know I should be grateful that there is still respect and kindness but somehow being offered help felt weird since I didn’t need help. Oh well, I guess we are never satisfied. I felt people were making assumptions about me based on my gray hair.

ColdNoMore 05-04-2019 05:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CFrance (Post 1646033)
I don't know where you got this list, but it certainly has not been my experience with the younger generation, our own kids nor their friends. The last five on the list, especially. And they weren't the ones who took nativity out of the cities. It was our generation who did that.

Some of their music is different. A lot of their music appreciation is from classical on up. Are you talking about people whose parents didn't give a rip about raising/educating them? Because I don't know where this list is coming from, nor do I see it in most younger generations that I'm in contact with.

My kids are politer and more considerate and less entitled than a lot of us old fogies I come in contact with.

What a broad brush that list paints with.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shbullet (Post 1646060)
I find the list to be totally ridiculous and extremely inaccurate

I and (as has been shown) many others...totally agree with both of you. :thumbup:

ColdNoMore 05-04-2019 05:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1646096)
It's a meme that dates back at *least* to 2008. I didn't check to see if it went back any further, I'd have to do a different type of google search for that.

Suffice it to say it would be used to attempt to apply to pretty much any generation. It's what our grandparents said to us, and probably what their grandparents said to them. Emotional tripe, mostly, a poor attempt at a guilt trip.

And certainly not true.

Thank you for making the effort to look up actual facts...it is much appreciated. :thumbup:

Fraugoofy 05-04-2019 10:39 AM

You can counter any kind of prejudice by being kind to everyone always.

Here's my current response to Village people who ask me, "YOU own a house here?" (Always said with a look of surprise). My reply is, "No, I own two." And I smile and move on.

Unless you are under age 55ish, I can't imagine you can answer the question of age discrimination in TV. You wouldn't be subjected to it.

It's like asking a 70 year old white male if he knows what color discrimination feels like. He has zero experience with being discriminated against based on the color of his skin.



Prejudice exists in many forms.




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manaboutown 05-04-2019 11:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fraugoofy (Post 1647103)
Unless you are under age 55ish, I can't imagine you can answer the question of age discrimination in TV. You wouldn't be subjected to it.

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Over a dozen years ago friends of mine moved into a strictly age controlled 55 and over community literally the day the wife turned 55. She was a physically fit well built California blonde having a body additionally benefiting from some great plastic surgery. Older women in the community were constantly rudely confronting her, especially at the swimming pools, telling her "You do not belong here!" She felt age discrimination big time, the sort a relatively young person receives in a senior community.

After a few years they moved away. Her husband was very glad to get away as living in the community - which was her idea - depressed him; plus older widows were continually knocking on their door to badger him to change a light bulb or whatever for them.

graciegirl 05-04-2019 11:36 AM

More older people die from automobile accidents than younger people die from automobile accidents BUT

Older people have fewer automobile accidents than youger people. It may be that they don't drive as much or they are more careful, but that is fact.

Yet in other forums here in The Villages there is constant harping on old people shouldn't drive.

Velvet 05-04-2019 11:43 AM

About appearance...
different cultures... in my old European country (perhaps due to few men because of a lot of historic wars) if you tried flirting with someone’s husband you’d be lucky to get away with a slap in the face from the wife. Predatory people are treated as predators. Usually though, it’s up to the spouse who is being “enticed” to handle it and it is much more effective.
The most beautiful and irresistible attribute, in my opinion, is kindness. Physical appearance is interesting, like with a puppy, but you get used to it quickly and then it becomes invisible.

manaboutown 05-04-2019 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1647110)
More older people die from automobile accidents than younger people die from automobile accidents BUT

Older people have fewer automobile accidents than youger people. It may be that they don't drive as much or they are more careful, but that is fact.

Yet in other forums here in The Villages there is constant harping on old people shouldn't drive.

But do seniors have fewer driving accidents per mile driven?

VILLAGERBB 05-04-2019 12:10 PM

Kudos - Age
 
Kudos!

Quote:

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1644079)
An intelligent, well thought out...and dead-on post! :thumbup:

It's obvious that age often affects some of us...a lot different than others.

Some become more wise and tolerant.

Some become meaner and more devious.

Some imagine slights and use any excuse...to exhibit their own prejudices.

Some decide they're tired of pretending to be nice, and by golly, are going to finally speak up about how they really feel, ignoring those societal pressures/norms which have dictated until now...that they keep it to themselves.

And some dwell, focus and are petrified that we are all mortal and...on the last few holes of life.

And sadly, some fight that horrible, irreversible and debilitating disease (to one degree or another)...of dementia/Alzheimer's. :(

For me, it's being thankful for each additional day and living my life so that should it end tomorrow (or during my nap today :D)...I'll be going out with very few regrets.
:ho:


graciegirl 05-04-2019 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1647118)
But do seniors have fewer driving accidents per mile driven?

Could be...… and then...………

Young vs. Old: Who are the Safest Drivers? - Good2Go

As Velvet said and others. Being kind is more important that starting arguments, being negative and looking down on anyone for being different than us, no matter what the difference is.

OrangeBlossomBaby 05-04-2019 05:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1647110)
More older people die from automobile accidents than younger people die from automobile accidents BUT

Older people have fewer automobile accidents than youger people. It may be that they don't drive as much or they are more careful, but that is fact.

Yet in other forums here in The Villages there is constant harping on old people shouldn't drive.

Just a hunch, but if you were to count the number of automobile accidents that occur in the Villages you'd see those statistics change pretty significantly.

That would probably explain why some fora that are specific to the Villages, harp on old people who shouldn't drive. Get a whole bunch of old people together, make everyone who isn't old a significant minority (less than 20%), and you'll probably see a lot of old people doing a lot of stupid things, and very few younger people doing a lot of stupid things.

But that's because there just aren't a lot of younger people in that location.

Madelaine Amee 05-04-2019 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1647201)
Just a hunch, but if you were to count the number of automobile accidents that occur in the Villages you'd see those statistics change pretty significantly.

That would probably explain why some fora that are specific to the Villages, harp on old people who shouldn't drive. Get a whole bunch of old people together, make everyone who isn't old a significant minority (less than 20%), and you'll probably see a lot of old people doing a lot of stupid things, and very few younger people doing a lot of stupid things.

But that's because there just aren't a lot of younger people in that location.

I'm not sure it has anything to do with age. You see some really stupid driving mistakes, but I think the person driving probably always drove stupidly and people like us kept them alive all these years.

The biggest thing we notice is people jumping out in front of you from a side street when there is absolutely NOTHING behind you and they could have waited two minutes for you to go by. No commonsense, but they probably never had any commonsense to begin with. One of these days they will jump out in front of someone who has slow reflexes and that will be all she wrote.:pray:

Moderator 05-04-2019 06:30 PM

Let’s get this thread back to the original topic of age discrimination.

Moderator

JimJohnson 05-04-2019 06:47 PM

I sincerely feel that we old folks should allow the younger generation to guide us and stop being obstructing to there advice.

Velvet 05-04-2019 07:11 PM

Respect always has to be earned, whether by young or old. In my native country the young, particularly university students, were often historically the leaders of change. People listened to them. Because they deserved it.

Barefoot 05-05-2019 12:55 PM

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Barefoot 05-05-2019 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fraugoofy (Post 1647103)
You can counter any kind of prejudice by being kind to everyone always.

:agree:

graciegirl 09-02-2019 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1647201)
Just a hunch, but if you were to count the number of automobile accidents that occur in the Villages you'd see those statistics change pretty significantly.

That would probably explain why some fora that are specific to the Villages, harp on old people who shouldn't drive. Get a whole bunch of old people together, make everyone who isn't old a significant minority (less than 20%), and you'll probably see a lot of old people doing a lot of stupid things, and very few younger people doing a lot of stupid things.

But that's because there just aren't a lot of younger people in that location.

In The Villages, 58 is "younger people". They still have many decades of knowledge to absorb and digest and lord it over others with. ;)

JimJohnson 09-02-2019 09:16 AM

I agree with age discrimination. Children should not act like adults. I also think those of us over 60 would be better off to take advice from middle age people than give it. Too many old folks use the lame excuse “I have experience” to give advice to younger people that have much sharper minds and are not slowed from medication.

So: Until your over 25, shut up and listen.
When your over 60, shut up and listen.

Now in my 70’s, I am thankful for my children and the spouses to give me advice. Ya gotta love and respect nature.

retiredguy123 09-02-2019 09:22 AM

Discrimination against people over 40 is illegal in the job market. I can remember working for the Federal Government, where there are people in their 80's and 90's, still on the job, and no way to make them retire. Most of them have more than 18 months of accumulated sick leave, and some use it very often. They are collecting the highest pay in the Government, and many produce very little work, although there are exceptions. But, nothing can be done about the non-producers.

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 09-02-2019 09:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1644032)
I didn't think age prejudice existed when I was younger. I do not think it is prevalent but it does occur.

I don't like judging whole groups of people and dismissing them. It isn't fair based on any criteria.

Do you see and feel age prejudice in real life or on this forum? How old are you?

I can't believe it but I am 79.

Of course age prejudice exists. It always has and it always will. I often have trouble listening to what twenty somethings have to say.

Teenagers think that they know everything to they don't want to listen to adults.

Some of this is justified and some is not. It's not something that I worry about.

ColdNoMore 09-02-2019 12:15 PM

Some folks are simply are too naïve (and/or ignorant?), and will never understand that 'intelligence/wisdom/common sense' and 'longevity'...are NOT synonymous. :oops:

As much as a lot of folks wished differently, age, in and of itself...does not automatically imbue some type of 'superiority of knowledge.'

I primarily see this in those who are older and become angry & upset, that their viewpoints/opinions are ever even questioned or challenged, by anyone...even those just a few years younger. :ohdear:

Not to say that additional experience isn't important...because it very much is.

As long as you're actually getting real 'experience' and aren't just adding to that which you've done hundreds of times...and aren't learning anything new.

Which, IMHO, proves another of my personal viewpoints, which is; There is a huge difference in years of service'...versus years of 'experience.'

I've seen many people with 40 years of service, who were much less effective/proficient...than someone with 20 years of actual experience. :ho:



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