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Two Bills 09-02-2019 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 1647249)
Respect always has to be earned, whether by young or old. In my native country the young, particularly university students, were often historically the leaders of change. People listened to them. Because they deserved it.

Empty vessels make the most noise!

Fishers2tall 09-02-2019 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 1644209)
I have friends who are in their late 50's/early 60's who are very highly educated, intelligent, and experienced professionals who can't find work. One is an extremely smart mechanical engineer who is totally sick of being rejected for jobs by much younger and less experienced people.

I worked for a year just prior to retiring as an engineering and management recruiter aka “headhunter” and I can tell you age discrimination is an everyday thing in the business world. Even though they knew it was illegal more than a few companies would tell me not to send them any applicants over a certain age. I ignored their requests and sent them anyone who was qualified no matter how old they were. Even though it happens all the time age discrimination is almost impossible to prove in a lawsuit.

retiredguy123 09-02-2019 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Fishers2tall (Post 1678000)
I worked for a year just prior to retiring as an engineering and management recruiter aka “headhunter” and I can tell you age discrimination is an everyday thing in the business world. Even though they knew it was illegal more than a few companies would tell me not to send them any applicants over a certain age. I ignored their requests and sent them anyone who was qualified no matter how old they were. Even though it happens all the time age discrimination is almost impossible to prove in a lawsuit.

I know that it is illegal to discriminate against a job applicant in their 50's, 60's, and 70's, but does the law really make sense? If you are trying to run a profitable business, do you want to invest in someone who is that close to retirement? There are people in their 80's and 90's with Government jobs being paid more than anyone else, who call in sick 2 or 3 days per week, and it is illegal to even ask them to retire. But, the Government can afford to pay those people. Businesses who need to make a profit cannot.

Parker 09-03-2019 05:34 AM

Ditto
 
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Originally Posted by manaboutown (Post 1644058)
Well, I am now 77 years of age. What I recall is I needed to be six years old by the end of the calendar year to enter first grade, could obtain a driver's license at age 16, became eligible for the draft and had to register at age 18, could drink alcohol legally at age 21 in the the state where I resided at the time, became eligible to vote at age 21, obtained medicare at age 65 and so on. Oh, and I became "legal" to buy a home in a 55 and over community at...surprise...age 55! Were these requirements, 'age prejudice'?

Gee, so much in life is age related!

For me, life has been a journey through several phases. After becoming an 'official' adult at age 21 the phases have pretty much been decade by decade. In general during my twenties people expected me to conduct myself as a man in his twenties and I suppose I did. Similarly during my thirties, forties and so on my life played out on an age related path.

Our bodies and our brains grow, mature and decline with age. That is the way it is. Yes, people treat me differently at age 77 than they did at age 17, 27 or even 57, as they should. I accept my age. I take care of myself physically, mentally and spiritually and live in the present without resentment.

I do not feel people treating me as a 77 year old is 'age prejudice'. I would not want to fly on a commercial airliner captained by a 77 year old. Too, I am willing to get my eyes checked and submit to written and road driving tests to retain my driver's license when necessary.


Well said and truly agreed with!

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-03-2019 10:10 AM

I get some of this age prejudice here on this forum and in other places. I'm "not old enough" to know this or that. I haven't had the experience to chime in about this or that. I haven't been seasoned long enough to ask questions about this or that. I feel, often, like I'm being treated like a 10-year-old - a pat on the head, a "go play with your friends now and don't worry about it" and just flat out dismissal. I can't possibly have anything to contribute, because I'm not old enough.

And then I get the exact opposite from younger folks, especially new management in retail gigs. They think I'm too old to know how things work "these days" because I was their age way back when the dinosaurs roamed the earth.

Except, what they forget, is that the guy who invented the computer is 20 years older than I am, and I'm the only one in the entire store who knows how to count change without an electronic device telling me how much to give back.

They call IT to fix the system, and I swap out the old cable when no one's looking and report to the boss that it magickally started working again.

I can also twerk better than most of them.

So I get it from all sides. The young folks think I'm too old to be in touch with their generation. The old folks think I'm too young to appreciate the trials, tribulations, and benefits of being older.

They're both wrong, so I just have to do me, and let them do them.

Villageswimmer 09-03-2019 12:26 PM

Seems it’s become very fashionable to be a victim.

Kerry Azz 09-03-2019 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Mudder (Post 1644045)
I don't know how it happened but I am a month or two away from 79!
Anyway, I don't really feel any age discrimination in my life. We experience more fascination by younger people....they wonder how we do all that we do.
Yes, sure we may walk slower, drive a little slower.......but that's only in the bubble. When in Boston we drive faster, walk faster......it's survival of the fittest in the outside world!
I will admit we do have a granddaughter who calls us "the oldies".

Nothing like a walk around castle Island and a stroll through the North End.

kcrazorbackfan 09-03-2019 01:28 PM

Mrs. KC and I went to see “The Boys of Summer” at Savannah the other night; while getting ready for the show to start, my wife (59 y/o) looked at me and said “boy, a lot of these people in the audience are old”. 🤣🤣🤣

manaboutown 09-03-2019 03:13 PM

My father was 90 before he reluctantly moved with my 83 year old mother to an age restricted community. It was like pulling teeth to get them to move out of their house in a regular neighborhood. Even then he said "I do not want to live around those old folks." lol

After my brother and I got them there they both went on about much they liked it and how they should have moved there sooner.

eweissenbach 09-03-2019 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by kcrazorbackfan (Post 1678222)
Mrs. KC and I went to see “The Boys of Summer” at Savannah the other night; while getting ready for the show to start, my wife (59 y/o) looked at me and said “boy, a lot of these people in the audience are old”. 🤣🤣🤣

The first night we were in TV almost 10 years ago (I was 64 my wife 63) we went to the live entertainment at Sumter Landing. I looked around and laughed and told my wife "I feel like a freshman in college again at the beginning of school mixer".

NewRealms 09-05-2019 10:37 AM

I'm guilty of age discrimination!
 
When I as a younger man (just turned 70) I had a lot of thoughts about older people. Mostly that they knew more than me and they should be respected (until it was proven otherwise).

Did I think that older people were mentally slower and less informed about modern technology? You bet I did. Did I think they were horribly slow drivers and took too much time in any line I was in. Yep, guilty as charged. So, yes, I guess I discriminated.

But, now that I am in the latter part of my life I don't see much that affects me due to ageism.

I dislike any -ism because it does lump everyone into a homogeneous group and life doesn't work like that. Ageism must have been coined by this generation of seniors simple because they live longer and aren't afraid to speak up when something is perceived as wrong.

Nothing can prepare you for the day you look in the mirror and wonder who's the old fart staring back at you. It's already happened to me, so if others see me as an elder and have an opinion about that, then so be it; not a problem. Get in my way though, we've got a problem. LOL!

Schaumburger 09-07-2019 10:52 AM

From someone still in the trenches of today's workforce
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 1678024)
I know that it is illegal to discriminate against a job applicant in their 50's, 60's, and 70's, but does the law really make sense? If you are trying to run a profitable business, do you want to invest in someone who is that close to retirement? There are people in their 80's and 90's with Government jobs being paid more than anyone else, who call in sick 2 or 3 days per week, and it is illegal to even ask them to retire. But, the Government can afford to pay those people. Businesses who need to make a profit cannot.

I am knocking on the door of turning 59. I hope to work full-time for another 6 years, then start collecting SS and work part-time. In today's workforce, most people in their 20's and 30's will stay at a job for 4 or 5 years tops, then move on to the next opportunity. This happens frequently at my current company and also happened at my previous company. Most millennials see what happened to their parents who worked for a company for 20+ years then were downsized in their 50's. At most companies, there is little to no loyalty shown by either the employer or the employee.

So what is the difference between hiring a qualified 30 year old who will probably stay with the company for 5 years then move on and hiring an equally qualified person in their late 50's who will probably stay for 6 or 7 years (maybe longer)?

Is it even wise for someone in their 20's to work at the same company for 20+ years? I don't know if that will happen any longer in today's economic environment. I stayed with one employer for 27 years. I don't know if that was a wise move or not, but that's water under the bridge at this point. At least I was there long enough to qualify for the parent company's pension plan before that was discontinued in 2014.

Finding a new job 4 years ago at age 55 was not easy. Even with today's very low unemployment rate, I don't imagine finding a good job with health insurance and the standard benefit package at age 59 would be a walk in the park.

Schaumburger 09-07-2019 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Fishers2tall (Post 1678000)
I worked for a year just prior to retiring as an engineering and management recruiter aka “headhunter” and I can tell you age discrimination is an everyday thing in the business world. Even though they knew it was illegal more than a few companies would tell me not to send them any applicants over a certain age. I ignored their requests and sent them anyone who was qualified no matter how old they were. Even though it happens all the time age discrimination is almost impossible to prove in a lawsuit.

You are spot on! And thank you for sending the "mature" applicants to these employers. I guess I should not be surprised you were told not to send some compannies any applicants over a certain age...I'm guessing that age was 45, and not more than 50.

patfla06 09-07-2019 12:29 PM

There is a club in T.V. called ‘Under 60.’
Why would you feel the need to have a club with age attached?
When members turn 60 they’re no longer allowed in the club.

Velvet 09-07-2019 12:38 PM

Sort of like kindergarten can’t get in over age 6. Why would you want to, anyways?

ColdNoMore 09-07-2019 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by patfla06 (Post 1679280)
There is a club in T.V. called ‘Under 60.’
Why would you feel the need to have a club with age attached?
When members turn 60 they’re no longer allowed in the club.


I can't help but chuckle at the irony/hypocrisy, living in a 55+ only community (yes, I understand the 20% and all that)...complaining about "age prejudice." :1rotfl:

Everyone should think about it for a minute, it's pretty dang funny seeing some folks whining about 'others' griping about 'age ranges/ageism'...while at the same time being the epitome of one. :oops:

And since I'm 110 years old, I am ALWAYS correct due solely to the fact that I'm older, you are REQUIRED to believe me...and anything/everything I say. :D


Madelaine Amee 09-07-2019 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by patfla06 (Post 1679280)
There is a club in T.V. called ‘Under 60.’
Why would you feel the need to have a club with age attached?
When members turn 60 they’re no longer allowed in the club.

Well that is a novel way of looking at things .... so you join the club because you are younger than 59 and they tell you to go when you get to 60?

Personally, I don't care one way or the other, but what do they do with you when you are too old to club with them?

Barefoot 09-07-2019 02:59 PM

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Originally Posted by patfla06 (Post 1679280)
There is a club in T.V. called ‘Under 60.’
Why would you feel the need to have a club with age attached?
When members turn 60 they’re no longer allowed in the club.

I think the Baby Boomers also have age restrictions for people who want to join.

ColdNoMore 09-07-2019 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Madelaine Amee (Post 1679342)
Well that is a novel way of looking at things .... so you join the club because you are younger than 59 and they tell you to go when you get to 60?

Personally, I don't care one way or the other, but what do they do with you when you are too old to club with them?

I've heard that they fly you up north, put you on an ice floe...then wave bye-bye. :D

That may change though, given that airfare is becoming more and more expensive, because they have to keep going further north...to find any ice.
:(

Villageswimmer 09-07-2019 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1679346)
I've heard that they fly you up north, put you on an ice floe...then wave bye-bye. :D

That may change though, given that airfare is becoming more and more expensive, because they have to keep going further north...to find any ice.
:(


I needed a good laugh after fretting about that ol’ SNOOP.

DAVES 09-15-2019 11:34 AM

Prejudice-a misused term
 
Prejudice is understood to be a negative but we all do it all the time. The word is pre (before) judice (judgement) Heck you look out on a field loaded with mosquitoes and you judge with all those bugs the fishing will be great or you judge I don't want to be here.

With people it is exactly the same. One person has a nice smile and you are drawn to the them another is in pain, frowning etc and if you don't think you reject them.

Age prejudice-a rude shock to me at Mcdonalds. The zit faced kid behind the counter told me I wanted a senior coffee. Should have at least made me prove I was old enough. If, I had a bar perhaps the sign should say due to politically correct we card everyone.

OrangeBlossomBaby 09-15-2019 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DAVES (Post 1681508)
Prejudice is understood to be a negative but we all do it all the time. The word is pre (before) judice (judgement) Heck you look out on a field loaded with mosquitoes and you judge with all those bugs the fishing will be great or you judge I don't want to be here.

With people it is exactly the same. One person has a nice smile and you are drawn to the them another is in pain, frowning etc and if you don't think you reject them.

Age prejudice-a rude shock to me at Mcdonalds. The zit faced kid behind the counter told me I wanted a senior coffee. Should have at least made me prove I was old enough. If, I had a bar perhaps the sign should say due to politically correct we card everyone.

There's a bar/music venue in New Haven (Toad's) that cards everyone. They take the law literally because they'd been raided many years ago. The actual law is that everyone must be in possession of a valid ID, not just that they be 21 or older.

So if you are 50 years old, and don't have your license on your person when ordering alcohol, you are violating the law - and so is the bar if they serve you.

The New York Ren Faire has the same policy. They don't care how old you are, or how old you look. No ID, no alcohol.


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