Originally Posted by charlieo1126@gmail.com (Post 2022514)

Exactly what are you trying to say , I can’t figure it out , but I think it was an unclear attempt at trolling

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 2020273)

He has no blame in this as he does not supply the equipment used on the film set. Time will tell if some ******* tried to sabotage the film being made by putting live rounds in the guns used while filming. They shut down other movies being made in the same vicinity.

Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2022354)

Hey Stephen Baldwin was "brilliant" in Bio-Dome! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2022536)

Was he in that movie? I thought it was the weasel guy (also a result of nepotism. His mom owns the comedy club(s) in CA.

Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2022456)

This was only her 2nd job and as you see, she was fired from her first one. To be a prop master or armorer you need lots of experience. There’s no way a 24 year old could possibly have that amount of experience. But then there’s also the 1st assistant director. That is the person in charge of all safety on set. The protocol for a cold gun on set is for the armorer to bring the gun on set, in front of the crew, show the 1st AD and crew/actors that the gun is empty, they do this every single time a real gun is brought onto the set. I’ve worked on sets for 30+ years and have never, not once NOT seen this happen. It’s tedious and we’ve all seen it a hundred times, but it still has to happen EVERY SINGLE TIME a gun is brought on set. The AD, not only didn’t do his job, he picked up the gun and handed to the actor yelling cold gun. There are so many balls dropped by this guy that I almost forget the armorer is even involved. Then there are the 2 additional accidental misfires on the set 2 days prior, which led to safety phone calls made by crew members and crew members walking off the set. At this point, any good producer would’ve gotten involved. Movies have like 20 producers but most are vanity credits. All but maybe 3 are. The Line Producer and UPM are the 2 responsible for production and hiring. I worked with the Line Producer on Rust a few years back where she was an office PA, which is the lowest possible position on any production. Now she’s doing the highest position? This production was filled with inexperienced people and that is the issue. We all know who’s to blame and the names are David Halls, first AD and Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, armorer. Don’t forget, this happened back in the 90’s where an actor shot and killed Brandon Lee during a scene where a wad of something got lodged into the chamber and the blank killed him. There were no charges to the actor who pulled the trigger but that’s when the gun protocol went into affect. Also, NOBODY is supposed to touch the gun, except the armorer. Certainly unheard of for an AD to pick up a gun off a cart and hand it to an actor. He’s admitted he didn’t check the gun prior to handing it over to an actor.

Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2022456)

This was only her 2nd job and as you see, she was fired from her first one. To be a prop master or armorer you need lots of experience. There’s no way a 24 year old could possibly have that amount of experience. But then there’s also the 1st assistant director. That is the person in charge of all safety on set. The protocol for a cold gun on set is for the armorer to bring the gun on set, in front of the crew, show the 1st AD and crew/actors that the gun is empty, they do this every single time a real gun is brought onto the set. I’ve worked on sets for 30+ years and have never, not once NOT seen this happen. It’s tedious and we’ve all seen it a hundred times, but it still has to happen EVERY SINGLE TIME a gun is brought on set. The AD, not only didn’t do his job, he picked up the gun and handed to the actor yelling cold gun. There are so many balls dropped by this guy that I almost forget the armorer is even involved. Then there are the 2 additional accidental misfires on the set 2 days prior, which led to safety phone calls made by crew members and crew members walking off the set. At this point, any good producer would’ve gotten involved. Movies have like 20 producers but most are vanity credits. All but maybe 3 are. The Line Producer and UPM are the 2 responsible for production and hiring. I worked with the Line Producer on Rust a few years back where she was an office PA, which is the lowest possible position on any production. Now she’s doing the highest position? This production was filled with inexperienced people and that is the issue. We all know who’s to blame and the names are David Halls, first AD and Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, armorer. Don’t forget, this happened back in the 90’s where an actor shot and killed Brandon Lee during a scene where a wad of something got lodged into the chamber and the blank killed him. There were no charges to the actor who pulled the trigger but that’s when the gun protocol went into affect. Also, NOBODY is supposed to touch the gun, except the armorer. Certainly unheard of for an AD to pick up a gun off a cart and hand it to an actor. He’s admitted he didn’t check the gun prior to handing it over to an actor.

Originally Posted by camaguey48 (Post 2022461)

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Baldwin didn’t accidentally fire the revolver, he negligently fired the revolver after failing to check to see if it contained live rounds.
People that are competent with firearms know there is no such thing as an unloaded firearm.

Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2022476)

If only you knew what you were talking about. :ohdear: It’s the fault of the first assistant director and the armorer PERIOD. Just because you don’t like Alec Baldwin’s politics, doesn’t make him responsible. The actor who pulled trigger and killed Brandon Lee is certainly walking around free and so is the prop master/armorer who failed to check that gun. That was before the first AD was in charge of safety. Used to be the key grip.

Originally Posted by bilcon (Post 2022481)

The first thing you learn when handling guns is: Don't point a gun at anyone or anything unless you intend to shoot it. Why was he pointing a gun in the direction of the camera person and then pulling the trigger? Heads will roll on this one.

Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2022482)

The gun was handed to him, by his first ad, who told him it was a cold gun. The AD’s job is to make sure the gun is cold by having the armorer open the barrel and literally show him. Then the armorer hands the gun to the actor. NOT the AD. The AD’s job is safety on set……….SAFETY ON SET…….This is from his previous show….

Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2022505)

They were rehearsing. He was sitting in a pew, with what he was told was a cold gun, he was practicing drawing the gun. It was, not sure of the term, when you draw with the opposite hand as the holster. That’s when the gun went off. They had 2 accidental discharges with guns on that set days prior. In the history of Hollywood this has happened only twice. The first time with Brandon Lee, is when the strict gun rules were put in place. The first AD on Rust did NOT follow the protocol. He is in charge of safety. He failed at his duties as did the armorer.

Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 2022520)

Maybe it's time the industry changes its protocol.
The person doing the shooting should also check the firearm before pulling the trigger.
If someone hands me a gun and tells me it's unloaded, I don't take their word for it. I check it also.
Basic firearm safety.

Originally Posted by Wyseguy (Post 2022536)

Was he in that movie? I thought it was the weasel guy (also a result of nepotism. His mom owns the comedy club(s) in CA.