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This is a very informative bit of information concerning guns and live ammo on a movie set.

Actor John Schneider reacts to Alec Baldwin's prop-gun fatal shooting | 'Wake Up America' - YouTube

Maybe I've read too many detective books, but if this was an accident then the fingerprints of whomever put the live round in the gun will be on the shell. If it was loaded wearing gloves, hmm.

Responsible weapon handling

It is tragic that this woman lost her life and a child is without a mom. The basic rules of weapon safety is that YOU NEVER TRUST WHAT ANYONE SAYS ABOUT THE WEAPON. If it is capable of firing a round and you did not check it yourself once it is in your hand, you are negligent. A weapon should be checked every time it changes hands. Even if a sales person in a store hands me a gun to look at, I triple check it to see if it is loaded and it is never pointed in the direction of a live target. Since he didn't see the chamber close, it was his responsibility to recheck the gun as soon as it was placed in his hand. That is what every knowledgeable gun owner does. It should be especially rechecked if their are live people in the direction of the barrel. He is guilty of involuntary manslaughter since he had the weapon when it fired. No doubt about it.
The others persons are accessories. If there were an NRA safety instructor there, she would be alive today. You should never touch a weapon unless you know proper safety protocol. Tragic

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Originally Posted by HarleyDoc (Post 2023259)

Prezactly!

Except for the part about what he's guilty of... I'm not up to speed on the laws of New Mexico...

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Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2022456)

This was only her 2nd job and as you see, she was fired from her first one. To be a prop master or armorer you need lots of experience. There’s no way a 24 year old could possibly have that amount of experience. But then there’s also the 1st assistant director. That is the person in charge of all safety on set. The protocol for a cold gun on set is for the armorer to bring the gun on set, in front of the crew, show the 1st AD and crew/actors that the gun is empty, they do this every single time a real gun is brought onto the set. I’ve worked on sets for 30+ years and have never, not once NOT seen this happen. It’s tedious and we’ve all seen it a hundred times, but it still has to happen EVERY SINGLE TIME a gun is brought on set. The AD, not only didn’t do his job, he picked up the gun and handed to the actor yelling cold gun. There are so many balls dropped by this guy that I almost forget the armorer is even involved. Then there are the 2 additional accidental misfires on the set 2 days prior, which led to safety phone calls made by crew members and crew members walking off the set. At this point, any good producer would’ve gotten involved. Movies have like 20 producers but most are vanity credits. All but maybe 3 are. The Line Producer and UPM are the 2 responsible for production and hiring. I worked with the Line Producer on Rust a few years back where she was an office PA, which is the lowest possible position on any production. Now she’s doing the highest position? This production was filled with inexperienced people and that is the issue. We all know who’s to blame and the names are David Halls, first AD and Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, armorer. Don’t forget, this happened back in the 90’s where an actor shot and killed Brandon Lee during a scene where a wad of something got lodged into the chamber and the blank killed him. There were no charges to the actor who pulled the trigger but that’s when the gun protocol went into affect. Also, NOBODY is supposed to touch the gun, except the armorer. Certainly unheard of for an AD to pick up a gun off a cart and hand it to an actor. He’s admitted he didn’t check the gun prior to handing it over to an actor.

Thank you for your insight. I would add the question, Why were there live rounds on the set ? Reports that the gun was used for "plinking" ? by who, did this person or persons have the necessary knowledge, training to be trusted with a deadly weapon? or were they just playing with a deadly weapon ? I have some familiarity with firearms having owned and been around them most of my life and have seen people who I know who know better violate basic gun safety, "familiarity breeds contempt" I don't know much about Mr. Baldwin and have little interest but I think it unlikely he has much training or experience with firearms. If what I have read from other post regarding NM law regarding firearms responsibility Mr. Baldwin has a very high degree of responsibility having control of a deadly weapon and I happen to agree. More than enough blame to share for all involved, certainly Mr. Baldwin will be asking himself question for the rest of his life.

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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2023264)

Prezactly!

Except for the part about what he's guilty of... I'm not up to speed on the laws of New Mexico...

could be charged with manslaughter or criminally negligent homicide -- "death by negligence". Look up the State of New Mexico's criminal code. Specifically, Chapter 30 - Criminal Offenses, Article 7 - Weapons and Explosives, Section 30-7-4 - Negligent use of a deadly weapon.

whether you think it's a prop or not, you shouldn't be pointing a gun at anyone and pulling the trigger. It's on HIM. He could be charged, though I'm sure that this particular State will let him off the hook for political reasons. I do think he's going to be hit with a big civil suit (as well as the movie production company and other individuals) by the family.

Maybe his wife "Hillaria" will adopt a new fake name and fake accent to help him out of his latest jam? It doesn't help when you kill someone, but you have a reputation for rudeness and nastiness on social media, in public, and your wife has become the butt of a number of jokes for fakeness.

At least half the country sees him as a jerk so he's not going to get a lot of sympathy.

above post says he will live with this the rest of his life, which is probably the worst punishment of all. very sad all around, it sounds like careless negligence. some people get triggered by him but, all i can think of is the skit 'cantine boy' on snl :popcorn:

What I'd like to know is what the h*ll real bullets were doing on the movie set??? Who brought them there?? I'm not a fan of Mr. Baldwin but he didn't load the gun, he was handed the revolver and told cold gun.

As a person in active management of the entire production Alec knew the person who handed him the gun was completely unauthorized and unqualified to do so. Alec has criminal and civil responsibilities. Ask any lawyer want a be on totv.