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greenflash245 05-12-2020 09:12 AM

you best pay it or you'll be living in the boxcar!!!

Scorpyo 05-12-2020 09:14 AM

Maybe
 
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Originally Posted by erojohn (Post 1763667)
I would say your liability is to the taxing authority not the title company. The taxing authority will be the ones that come after you. They will get their due.

The Title Ins may have paid the tax so that their would not be a lien on the property. This is what the insurance is for. If not they could have simply ignored it and let the taxing authority go after the seller. IMHO

dalesairplane 05-12-2020 09:33 AM

If they overcharged you, would you expect a refund? I assume you would, so this would just be the reverse. Pay what is owed.

rferg40 05-12-2020 09:36 AM

Real estate taxes
 
Your property, your taxes, your debt and their mistake. Pay the tax and ask the law firm to pay any penalties and interest since that would likely be their fault.

jgmroc67 05-12-2020 09:57 AM

Buyers pay the TI, sellers do not

Daddymac 05-12-2020 10:02 AM

And My whole life i been using attorneys, Never again, I have Talk Of The Villages.

RayAmb 05-12-2020 10:11 AM

JUST BLOWS MY MIND , how many people could even consider how to get out of paying a debt they are responsible for. Just the consideration says so much about them. Do you actually think you won’t have to answer for everything you do in this life ? PLEASE STOP AND THINK ABOUT YOUR DECISIONS.

Marathon Man 05-12-2020 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by boxcarwilly (Post 1763414)
Confirming tax status with the city asap.

Why was this not step one? Instead of asking a group of honest people if you can get out of paying your taxes because of a mistake.

Stu from NYC 05-12-2020 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Daddymac (Post 1763746)
And My whole life i been using attorneys, Never again, I have Talk Of The Villages.

So true and if you need brain surgery look no further

Curtisbwp 05-12-2020 10:44 AM

I dont know how long you owned the maine property but YOU SHOULD HAVE KNOWN! The 1500 is your responsibility. My family and i are from west paris/woodstock. I lived in gorham for 20 years.

Pommom91 05-12-2020 10:47 AM

In real estate sales/purchases, there is normally a document you sign that says if something was overlooked and is brought to your attention afterward that you agree to fix it.

rphil11ort 05-12-2020 11:33 AM

if it went to court it would cost you more for an attorney. pay them

mistervin 05-12-2020 12:06 PM

Maybe the question is what’s the coverage and purpose of the Title Insurance? What is their responsibility?

Fenster 05-12-2020 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by rustyp (Post 1763380)
Ask your lawyer. Are you really going to take advice from an internet blog ?

This is not a yes or no question. Laws vary by state and jurisdiction. An adjustment should have been made at closing, and any open taxes should have been “picked up” by the title closer. You should consult with a Maine lawyer.

The is not not just a legal question. Someone has to check the closing docs to see where the money went.

THUNDERCHIEF 05-12-2020 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by boxcarwilly (Post 1763360)
sold our condo in maine all went well but the title co(law firm actually) failed to include outstanding property taxes approx 1500.00. They want me to pay them asap. Am i legally obligated to pay this? They mentioned something to the effect they could put a lien on our new property here in the villages.thanks in advance.

i think you need to pay the tax, however you might contact the tax department up north and confirm that 1500 is really due. Just to confirm that someone actually made a mistake.

tvbound 05-12-2020 12:36 PM

I think I would spend a couple of hundred getting a quick opinion by a good attorney, but further down the road having just paid the $1,500 may seem like a bargain-versus having your credit score adversely affected for years to come.

retiredguy123 05-12-2020 12:50 PM

I find it amazing and sad that someone would need to pay a lawyer to tell them whether or not they are $1,500 behind in their property tax payments.

Big47moe 05-12-2020 01:57 PM

The law firm should have insurance to protect them from their mistakes. Ask if the do! (pay if you need to clear it up)

rstebbins 05-12-2020 02:14 PM

you should the races. any penalty because they messed up should be paid by them

carolar2000 05-12-2020 02:35 PM

All free legal advice is worth what you paid for it. Ask your lawyer.

GayleW1962 05-12-2020 02:41 PM

You are responsible for payment of any taxes that were assessed during the time you were the owner up until the closing date. Any amount due should have been prorated as of the closing date. Your post says you sold in Maine (which I assume is where the unpaid tax issue lies) but then you mention a lien on property in the Villages. Liens for unpaid taxes follow the property and cannot be transferred to other property especially property in another state. I assume you did sign a document that said something close to inadvertent errors happen but you will take steps to correct them. It is a processor or closing agent's nightmare when errors occur and they have to reach out after a closing to either collect additional funds or have documents re-signed. You should ask the closing agent or whoever is requesting funds what the time period is that is due and also make sure that you were given credit (pro-ration) for days you were not the owner. A prior post mentioned title insurance - title insurance only insures any defects in the title and the chain of ownership - this will not apply in this matter. It is an unfortunate oversight or omission. You don't need to contact any attorney - just deal with the title company (In Maine a lot of law firms act as closing agents) or law office and make sure you understand the amount you are being asked to pay. My source of this information - I have been a paralegal in Maine since 1984 and have handled close to 3000 closings (I later was a foreclosure paralegal and foreclosed on the people I helped close). I hate to admit it but I have actually had to make these types of calls myself. Please let me know if I can explain myself further. Signed - a Mainer now but headed to my beloved home in Monarch Grove by January 1, 2021!

rgoosman 05-12-2020 03:00 PM

Title insurance
 
Read the policy. If it doesn't cover this then what is it for?

Jayhawk 05-12-2020 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rgoosman (Post 1763882)
Read the policy. If it doesn't cover this then what is it for?

Title Insurance does not protect the seller in a real estate transaction. It protects the BUYER, and coincidentally the Lender if there is one. Since the attorney / title agent missed it he may have to pay it to make the buyer whole, but he has full legal rights to pursue the seller for reimbursement.

Subrogation Definition

retiredguy123 05-12-2020 03:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Jayhawk (Post 1763888)
Title Insurance does not protect the seller in a real estate transaction. It protects the BUYER, and coincidentally the Lender if there is one. Since the attorney / title agent missed it he may have to pay it to make the buyer whole, but he has full legal rights to pursue the seller for reimbursement.

Subrogation Definition

I don't think title insurance applies at all in this situation. The closing attorney made a calculation error and notified the seller in a timely manner. The seller owes the property tax. I may agree that title insuance may apply if this error was not discovered until several years later, but that is not the case.

worcester 05-12-2020 04:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boxcarwilly (Post 1763360)
Sold our condo in Maine all went well but the title co(law firm actually) failed to include outstanding property taxes approx 1500.00. They want me to pay them ASAP. Am i legally obligated to pay this? They mentioned something to the effect they could put a lien on our new property here in the villages.Thanks in advance.

What a question? Most people pay their debts.

A good friend (former bank president) told me it's a very simple process to get a lien on property.

Travelingal702 05-12-2020 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffy (Post 1763475)
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The HONORABLE thing to do is pay the taxes!

DDVeteran 05-12-2020 07:49 PM

The title company will be on the hook for the unpaid tax. I would call their bluff, but that's me. If you're the type who likes pushing limits, which sounds like you are, go for it.
But your question is, are you "legally" obligated to pay the tax.The answer is a simple no. Not your house any longer, legally you owe nothing.

Villagelee 05-12-2020 08:02 PM

You know you owe the taxes, so why pay an attorney just be cause you want him to say No you don't have to pay. That isn't going to happen and you will be paying twice...once for the tax and 2nd for the snag in your character which lowers your self-esteem.

Lindsyburnsy 05-12-2020 08:49 PM

The title company’s job is to insure you that you are getting clear title. They missed those outstanding taxes. That’s what title “insurance “ is. They will fight you, but they need to play that bill.
Quote:

Originally Posted by boxcarwilly (Post 1763360)
Sold our condo in Maine all went well but the title co(law firm actually) failed to include outstanding property taxes approx 1500.00. They want me to pay them ASAP. Am i legally obligated to pay this? They mentioned something to the effect they could put a lien on our new property here in the villages.Thanks in advance.


jimlambert 05-12-2020 09:05 PM

Why
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by boxcarwilly (Post 1763360)
Sold our condo in Maine all went well but the title co(law firm actually) failed to include outstanding property taxes approx 1500.00. They want me to pay them ASAP. Am i legally obligated to pay this? They mentioned something to the effect they could put a lien on our new property here in the villages.Thanks in advance.

Why would you ask us? You’ll just get 20 different answers. I guess then you can pick out the one you like the most. Hmm...

DDVeteran 05-12-2020 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Villagelee (Post 1763994)
You know you owe the taxes, so why pay an attorney just be cause you want him to say No you don't have to pay. That isn't going to happen and you will be paying twice...once for the tax and 2nd for the snag in your character which lowers your self-esteem.

Actually, the OP doesn't owe any taxes, the tax has been paid.The title company is claiming he owes a debt to them as a result of their incompetence, nothing more. They erred, not the OP's fault. Unless contractually the OP is responsible for a title company error he owes nothing.
If this came to a judicial decision, it would benefit the defendant.

mtdjed 05-12-2020 10:25 PM

If there are taxes owed at the time of sale, would seem that the responsibility for payment would be determined at the time of sale by who gets the benefit. If taxes for the future, then the new buyer. If for the past, then the seller. If split simply divide.

JoelJohnson 05-13-2020 08:03 AM

Like I always say "If you think you own your home, don't pay the taxes on it and see who REALLY owns it".

JCMSr 05-13-2020 02:16 PM

Based upon my experiences having bought and sold numerous homes in the past forty years title insurance comes in two types of policies. The first one generally protects the bank/mortgage company from defects in the title. The second policy which can be purchased from the closing attorney protects the buyer. I am unaware of a title insurance policy that protects the seller(s).

If you were the seller in this transaction and there is nothing is the sales contract/agreement that says someone else is responsible for the back taxes then you would be responsible to pay the pro rata share of the taxes up to the day the property was transferred. If you go ahead and pay now you could save additional potential costs which could be assessed for interest and late fees. Rest assured if this matter falls back in the hands of the title insurance company and they end up paying it will not be long before you are contacted to reimburse them for this expense including applicable attorney fees. As many before me have already said, do the right thing and quit trying to get away with not paying what you rightfully owe.

Jayhawk 05-13-2020 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DDVeteran (Post 1764013)
If this came to a judicial decision, it would benefit the defendant.

Wrong.

bagboy 05-13-2020 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GayleW1962 (Post 1763880)
You are responsible for payment of any taxes that were assessed during the time you were the owner up until the closing date. Any amount due should have been prorated as of the closing date. Your post says you sold in Maine (which I assume is where the unpaid tax issue lies) but then you mention a lien on property in the Villages. Liens for unpaid taxes follow the property and cannot be transferred to other property especially property in another state. I assume you did sign a document that said something close to inadvertent errors happen but you will take steps to correct them. It is a processor or closing agent's nightmare when errors occur and they have to reach out after a closing to either collect additional funds or have documents re-signed. You should ask the closing agent or whoever is requesting funds what the time period is that is due and also make sure that you were given credit (pro-ration) for days you were not the owner. A prior post mentioned title insurance - title insurance only insures any defects in the title and the chain of ownership - this will not apply in this matter. It is an unfortunate oversight or omission. You don't need to contact any attorney - just deal with the title company (In Maine a lot of law firms act as closing agents) or law office and make sure you understand the amount you are being asked to pay. My source of this information - I have been a paralegal in Maine since 1984 and have handled close to 3000 closings (I later was a foreclosure paralegal and foreclosed on the people I helped close). I hate to admit it but I have actually had to make these types of calls myself. Please let me know if I can explain myself further. Signed - a Mainer now but headed to my beloved home in Monarch Grove by January 1, 2021!

The OP can read this post and know the answer to their question. Thank you for your knowledgeable post and an early Welcome to The Villages!!!

REDCART 05-14-2020 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GayleW1962 (Post 1763880)
You are responsible for payment of any taxes that were assessed during the time you were the owner up until the closing date. Any amount due should have been prorated as of the closing date. Your post says you sold in Maine (which I assume is where the unpaid tax issue lies) but then you mention a lien on property in the Villages. Liens for unpaid taxes follow the property and cannot be transferred to other property especially property in another state. I assume you did sign a document that said something close to inadvertent errors happen but you will take steps to correct them. It is a processor or closing agent's nightmare when errors occur and they have to reach out after a closing to either collect additional funds or have documents re-signed. You should ask the closing agent or whoever is requesting funds what the time period is that is due and also make sure that you were given credit (pro-ration) for days you were not the owner. A prior post mentioned title insurance - title insurance only insures any defects in the title and the chain of ownership - this will not apply in this matter. It is an unfortunate oversight or omission. You don't need to contact any attorney - just deal with the title company (In Maine a lot of law firms act as closing agents) or law office and make sure you understand the amount you are being asked to pay. My source of this information - I have been a paralegal in Maine since 1984 and have handled close to 3000 closings (I later was a foreclosure paralegal and foreclosed on the people I helped close). I hate to admit it but I have actually had to make these types of calls myself. Please let me know if I can explain myself further. Signed - a Mainer now but headed to my beloved home in Monarch Grove by January 1, 2021!

Gayle, thank you for a very clear, and well-crafted post. Best wishes for your upcoming move to TV.


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