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janmcn 12-23-2012 06:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Cantwaittoarrive (Post 598834)
I guess praticing the religion of your choice or saying, printing what you want or even stating your view on gun control is also ludicrous after all you are hiding behind the constitution everytime you do one of these
What happened to those 20 children's right to 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness'?

Thnonne 12-23-2012 06:59 PM
Right to Bear Arms
 
When our forefathers put the right to bear arms into the constitution the arms were muskets not automatic weapons, it would not be possible to commit mass murders with the weapons that existed when the "right to bear arms" was introduced into our constitution. We need to consider this in modern times and write laws or amend the constitution to control the automatic and semi-automatic weapons of today.

Monkei 12-23-2012 07:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ohhappyday (Post 598822)
Simple its goes back to the revolutionary roots of this nation and what it was founded and built on.

Ever wonder why there has never been an attempt to invade this country with a military force? Think about it.
You need to review your history. this country was invaded in its history and the fact that we had guns did not stop them from carrying out the invasion. Check your Internet and look at the wars this country has fought. It's listed in there.

I would also say that your assault weapons are not what's keeping foreign invaders out, it's the worlds greatest military force, ours.

Monkei 12-23-2012 07:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Shimpy (Post 598759)
Our country came about by people fighting for freedom. Guns are what made us free from England, not negotiations. Guns protected pioneers from savages and allowed them to hunt for food. Guns are an American tradition which without we wouldn't be here. You say " Unbelievable". Why? Should we be like the rest of the world that envies us. Why are so many people trying to sneak over our borders to get here? You can't change our culture which is heavily dependent on guns. It is what it is and the Japanese recognized this in WWII and for that reason was afraid to invade our shores, too many armed citizens that know how to use a gun.
Actually at last count we are now at a negative count for people trying to jump the fence. As far as fighting native Americans I think the blankets we gave out to the tribes infested with small pox did way more damage than the guns.

Cantwaittoarrive 12-23-2012 07:27 PM
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Originally Posted by janmcn (Post 598840)
What happened to those 20 children's right to 'life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness'?
A murder took that away

karostay 12-23-2012 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 598627)
Unbelieveable!....WHY!
Once the 5% have 100% of the guns then we'll no longer have to worry what the other 95% of the world is doing

:boom:

ugotme 12-23-2012 10:30 PM
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Originally Posted by hope2soon (Post 598726)
as someone who had a father, uncle, and brother as police officers I can only speak to the experience of being around them. All of them knew the potential dangers of guns. My father drew his only once in his entire career. Most police officers hope to never have to draw their guns because they know the potential.

Whether you're on the side of it being justified or not, the truth is Trevon Martin would be alive today if George Zimmerman wasn't carrying a gun, if only because he wouldn't have felt brave enough to confront someone he thought was a burglar. In another shooting in our county, a neighbor was upset a child was skateboarding in a common area and came out to tell him to leave (with a gun). A parent with his young daughter stood up for the skateboarder and the result was the parent was shot and killed in front of his daughter....over a neighborhood disagreement. Again, if he had not brought the gun to the fight, no one would have been shot.

Believe me, police officers don't want all these "wannabees" having guns. Police have to have them. These other people seem to be just hoping for the day they can whip them out and be the hero like in all the action movies. Life isn't like that. You can't shoot with the accuracy portrayed in movies and on TV. The Fort Hood shooter exchanged shots with a trained armed police officer and despite her getting off several shots, he still continued. Just because someone owns a gun and practices at a firing range does not automatically give them the experience to handle an armed shooter.

To me what's frightening is the lack of respect people have for the danger guns pose. They get their concealed license permits, do a little target shooting, and think they can handle whatever comes along....except in a split second decision, it could very well be the wrong thing....just ask George Zimmerman, and the man from my county now sentenced to years in jail for manslaughter.

SORRY - I have relatives who are cops and I know quite a few police officers both here (So. Fl.) and in NY.
The VAST MAJORITY of the ones I know support the public's right to have guns. As was stated to me - We can't be everywhere.

I would rather have mine and never need it that need it and never have it.

Figmo Bohica 12-24-2012 07:34 AM
I see lots of posters making statements that they know nothing about.

Do you know the difference between "auto" and "semi-auto?" Nothing in the 2d Amendment allows anyone to own a "Nuke." Making absurd statements only show that "you" know nothing about the 2d Amendment.

When the Constitution was written, the musket was the state of the art military firearm. Oftens it is best to engage brain, before allowing mouth or fingers to run wildly out of control.

Define "Assualt Weapon?"

Do you know the Florida statues on concealed carry?

I see if you read it on the internet or heard it on TV news program it fact. Get real.

If you want to learn and get educated come to one of our meetings of the Cool Gun Club. Check your Recreation News for time, place and date. You will be surprised at the education that you will get. Factual information, not emotional information. Our club is NON-POLICTICAL and if you come to discuss politics you be stopped. We are going as the laws are, not what you, or I or anyone else want them to be. We are all about safety and responsible ownership of a firearm.

Be happy to talk to any of you in an adult setting about firearm safety, but will not discuss your political views.

JoeC1947 12-24-2012 11:37 AM
I found this quite interesting. Note the reference to automatic/semi-automatic in the last paragraph. So, not only are rifles issued to all males 20-30 years old but they are automatic (Machine Guns). Granted that in 2007 most of the issued ammo was recalled but they still had the weapon. Read on.

Swiss males grow up expecting to undergo basic military training, usually at age 20 in the Rekrutenschule (German for "recruit school"), the initial boot camp, after which Swiss men remain part of the "militia" in reserve capacity until age 30 (age 34 for officers).

Each such individual is required to keep his army-issued personal weapon (the 5.56x45mm Sig 550 rifle for enlisted personnel and/or the 9mm SIG-Sauer P220 semi-automatic pistol for officers, medical and postal personnel) at home. Up until October 2007, a specified personal retention quantity of government-issued personal ammunition (50 rounds 5.56 mm / 48 rounds 9mm) was issued as well, which was sealed and inspected regularly to ensure that no unauthorized use had taken place.[4] The ammunition was intended for use while traveling to the army barracks in case of invasion.

In October 2007, the Swiss Federal Council decided that the distribution of ammunition to soldiers shall stop and that all previously issued ammo shall be returned. By March 2011, more than 99% of the ammo has been received. Only special rapid deployment units and the military police still have ammunition stored at home today.[5]

When their period of service has ended, militiamen have the choice of keeping their personal weapon and other selected items of their equipment. In this case of retention, the rifle is sent to the weapons factory where the fully automatic function is removed; the rifle is then returned to the discharged owner. The rifle is then a semi-automatic or self-loading rifle.

justjim 12-24-2012 11:59 AM
I am personally signing off on this thread until after Christmas. Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to all.

allus70 12-24-2012 01:32 PM
On Guns, America Stands Out
 
Perhaps being exceptional isn't always a good thing.

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/20/op.../PjAwlpMzroj+w

Shimpy 12-24-2012 03:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ugotme (Post 598954)
SORRY - I have relatives who are cops and I know quite a few police officers both here (So. Fl.) and in NY.
The VAST MAJORITY of the ones I know support the public's right to have guns. As was stated to me - We can't be everywhere.

I would rather have mine and never need it that need it and never have it.
I AGREE! I have the same experience with many retired cops that I know. Many carry and some don't but all that I know have no problem of citizens exercising that right. When you need a gun it will be in the next few seconds, not a phone call away and response time getting there.

buggyone 12-24-2012 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Shimpy (Post 599238)
I AGREE! I have the same experience with many retired cops that I know. Many carry and some don't but all that I know have no problem of citizens exercising that right. When you need a gun it will be in the next few seconds, not a phone call away and response time getting there.
My response is: If you are walking around in a high crime area such as downtown Detroit, the projects of Chicago, Boston, Washington DC, or even the seedy places in Orlando - carry your pistol - but what in the world are you doing in those parts of the towns in the first place?

When you are in The Villages walking around at the town squares, dancing at the squares, or just golf carting around - don't you think it is really ridiculous to be carrying your concealed pistol?

I actually know someone who sleeps with a loaded pistol on his nightstand next to the bed. I know of another who will answer the door during the daytime with a pistol tucked into a holster in the small of his back with one hand ready to draw it. Personally, I feel very sorry for these people who are scared to live without their pistols - especially in The Villages.

Figmo Bohica 12-24-2012 04:24 PM
Oh, Buggyone, what is this world coming to. Seems we both agree on your last statement. But I do know some who carry all the time and can't figure out why. At our last home, next to the Mexican border, I did carry "all the time." Don't feel the need or have not seen a reason to carry while in the Villages. You are right, Buggy, some folks just need to stop and smell the roses.

travelguy 12-24-2012 04:30 PM
2nd Amendment
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I am not sure that the 2nd amendment has anything to do with an individual being able to own firearms. I believe that it only refers to the idea that other than the army a civilian militia is allowed to exist to assist the organized military.


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