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ColdNoMore 06-01-2019 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1654511)
It is required by TOTV to supply a link when you copy and paste. Your paste is from a 40 page thesis, and this is the link in case folks want context and bibliography. It matters.

Mental Illness, Mass Shootings, and the Politics of American Firearms


I too am familiar with that study/link...and thanks for providing it. :thumbup:

Particularly interesting and cogent to the issue we're discussing, for me anyway...


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A number of studies suggest that laws and policies that enable firearm access during emotionally charged moments also seem to correlate with gun violence more strongly than does mental illness alone.

Belying Lott’s argument that “more guns” lead to “less crime,”52 Miller et al. found that homicide was more common in areas where household firearms ownership was higher.

53 Siegel et al. found that states with high rates of gun ownership had disproportionately high numbers of deaths from firearm-related homicides.54

Webster’s analysis uncovered that the repeal of Missouri’s background check law led to an additional 49 to 68 murders per year,55 and the rate of interpersonal conflicts resolved by fatal shootings jumped by 200% after Florida passed “stand your ground” in 2005.56

Availability of guns is also considered a more predictive factor than is psychiatric diagnosis in many of the 19 000 US completed gun suicides each year.11,57,58 (By comparison, gun-related homicides and suicides fell precipitously, and mass-shootings dropped to zero, when the Australian government passed a series of gun-access restrictions in 1996.59)


anothersteve 06-01-2019 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Bucco (Post 1654511)
It is required by TOTV to supply a link when you copy and paste. Your paste is from a 40 page thesis, and this is the link in case folks want context and bibliography. It matters.

Mental Illness, Mass Shootings, and the Politics of American Firearms

See post #70 please.
Steve

ColdNoMore 06-01-2019 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Trayderjoe (Post 1654518)
While killing someone with a purse, if it happened, would be extremely rare, what about something that kills about 30 people per day? Is that enough deaths per day to warrant action? I refer to the approximately 30 people killed per day (that's one person every 48 minutes in 2017) as a result of drunk driving crashes per the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (link). Why aren't background checks done on ANY PERSON who purchases a car? Why aren't people who have been found guilty of alcohol related driving incidents not prohibited from owning a car? Why do so many people arrested for DUIs get "multiple bites at the apple" before serving serious jail time? Why aren't car manufacturers required to install breathalyzers in every car, and every person required to pass a breathalyzer test prior to operating their vehicle? The last time I checked, driving a motor vehicle is a privilege, it is NOT a RIGHT under the constitution, so why can't people be barred from owning a vehicle after a DUI? So why is it that next to nothing has been done to address it?

Or is it that 30 people across the United States that are killed daily are not as important as 10 or 15 people killed in a single tragic event? I wonder if the relatives of those killed through alcohol related traffic deaths take solace that their loved ones were at least not killed by a gun? Somehow I don't think they do.

If you're looking for disagreement of taking vehicles away from anyone convicted of DUI, for at least a year, even for those who it's their first time...you're barking up the wrong tree and it won't be coming from me. :ho:

But, as I've noted many times (and this just reinforces it), those who love their guns...will use any comparison and "whattabout" they can.

anothersteve 06-01-2019 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by luperona9 (Post 1654517)
Lots of 380s in our handbags, right at the Town Square.

Good for you!
Steve

luperona9 06-01-2019 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1654524)
Good for you!

Steve

Thank you


Great club here.

The Villages Straight Shooters Gun Safety, Education, Marksmanship - Home

Velvet 06-01-2019 09:12 PM

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Trayderjoe 06-01-2019 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1654523)
If you're looking for disagreement of taking vehicles away from anyone convicted of DUI, for at least a year, even for those who it's their first time...you're barking up the wrong tree and it won't be coming from me. :ho:

But, as I've noted many times (and this just reinforces it), those who love their guns...will use any comparison and "whattabout" they can.

Actually the information about alcohol related auto deaths was posted in response to this post:

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore View Post
The tiresome, red herring and disingenuous argument of "if someone wants to kill, they will find a way," is a big reason that next to nothing has been done...about the MOST common method used by mass murderers.

I'm sure there have been those who have been killed with a purse too, but it is extremely rare and no one with any sense...would think of restrictions on purses.

And yet, continuing to use those exceedingly rare occasions where other than firearms (typically with high-capacity magazines) are used to kill more than one person, in one incident, is the distraction and justification used...and which mostly explains why nothing of significance has been accomplished toward the real problem.


The love of firearms and the sense of power/equalization they convey...is very addicting to a lot of people.


I am glad however, that you support more restrictions on car ownership as it relates to DUIs. I guess I missed seeing all of those posts on the topic.......

ColdNoMore 06-01-2019 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Trayderjoe (Post 1654534)
As usual, you make assumptions you shouldn't make.

I am glad however, that you support more restrictions on car ownership as it relates to DUIs. I guess I missed seeing all of those posts on the topic.......


Conversely, there seems to be a dearth of threads of restrictions on vehicle ownership/operation for any reason (DUI's/age/physical & mental impairments/Etc) and yet when it comes to guns, ANY guns...there seems to often be a visceral defense of them by some folks. :oops:

Start a thread on vehicle restrictions...and I'll be happy to post my views.
:thumbup:

Trayderjoe 06-01-2019 10:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ColdNoMore (Post 1654536)

Conversely, there seems to be a dearth of threads of restrictions on vehicle ownership/operation for any reason (DUI's/age/physical & mental impairments/Etc) and yet when it comes to guns, ANY guns...there seems to often be a visceral defense of them by some folks. :oops:

Start a thread on vehicle restrictions...and I'll be happy to post my views.
:thumbup:

Actually I did, it was called "Where is the uproar", related to alcohol related fatalities. It started out well, unfortunately there were some posters who chose to make it about guns so it went off topic. Sound familiar?

Unfortunately guns are a "hot topic", and yes there is a defense of the Second Amendment. People claim that they don't want to take away guns, and I see many posts that reference the need for "common sense gun laws", but no one can give examples of such laws. I know, as I have asked repeatedly for examples. IMO, the issue is that the focus continues to be on the how and not so much as the why-which is where this thread was going, but as usual, gets hijacked away from the why.

luperona9 06-01-2019 10:08 PM

The very definition of mass shooting is up for debate but of course like everything else is manipulated for a cause, a bad cause.

One part of a Three part series..

Who Are Mass Shooters? Mass Shooter Demographics | Center for Inquiry

luperona9 06-01-2019 10:32 PM

More interesting reading on "mass shootings." At the end there is a lot of information on the definition of "mass."

FACT CHECK: Were None of 154 Mass Shootings in 2018 Committed by a Black Man, Illegal Alien, or Woman?

Midnight Cowgirl 06-02-2019 01:43 AM

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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1654516)
So women can be macho also? What would you call a woman that owns firearms?

Steve


No, a woman cannot be macho or be a macho.
Any noun in Spanish, that ends in an "o," as an example, is always masculine.

I would call a woman that owns firearms exactly that -- a woman who owns firearms! ;)

Number 10 GI 06-02-2019 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Jazuela (Post 1654461)
So let's just give them easy access to the most efficient method possible. That's what you're saying. You're saying you can't stop people from doing stupid, dangerous, horrible things, so you might as well help them do it really really well.

The point I made is that the absence of guns did not stop murders. The knife took over as the most efficient method possible and apparently served quite well.

Taltarzac725 06-02-2019 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Number 10 GI (Post 1654600)
The point I made is that the absence of guns did not stop murders. The knife took over as the most efficient method possible and apparently served quite well.

I believe David used a rock with Goliath. Propelled by a slingshot though.

But the presence of a gun can stop quickly someone with a rock or knife. Unless a slingslot or throwing knife is involved.

genesis - How did Cain kill Abel? - Christianity Stack Exchange

billethkid 06-02-2019 09:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Midnight Cowgirl (Post 1654554)
No, a woman cannot be macho or be a macho.
Any noun in Spanish, that ends in an "o," as an example, is always masculine.

I would call a woman that owns firearms exactly that -- a woman who owns firearms! ;)

Off the subject but can't resist temptation.
Masculine????
Such a characterization would not be allowed/tolerated in our current societal trend/tolerance!!!!!!!!


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