[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Kenswing

Not that it really matters but the weapon used was a .45 handgun..

He also had a rifle (unidentified type as of now), a suppressor and (as predicted)...extended magazines for the .45 cal.



Live: Virginia Beach mass shooting - CNN

The weapons: Authorities recovered two guns at the scene believed to be used in the shooting, a rifle and a .45 caliber handgun with extended magazines and a suppressor, the chief said.

[justjim]

Originally Posted by BobnBev

Violent video games and media certainly play a big part, that and the ease of getting a gun. "So easy a caveman could do it"

We were warned about the violent video games but I’m afraid the ship has already sailed on that issue. Our culture has changed especially in the last 50 years and it has not been for the better. Too much “me” and freedom to act out that “freedom” has become a major violent shooting problem in the Country we all love. There has to be a “middle ground” established in America or we are going to self destruct from within. A House divided will not continue to stand...

[Bucco]

Originally Posted by justjim

We were warned about the violent video games but I’m afraid the ship has already sailed on that issue. Our culture has changed especially in the last 50 years and it has not been for the better. Too much “me” and freedom to act out that “freedom” has become a major violent shooting problem in the Country we all love. There has to be a “middle ground” established in America or we are going to self destruct from within. A House divided will not continue to stand...

My opinion.

This post is symbolic of "kicking the can down the road".

Believing there is too much freedom simply belies the facts.

By the way, news reporting they found further guns at his home,but I am sure they were all for personal protection and sport. I

[Bucco]

It took 4 officers and ALL their ammo to stop this one man, who would have killed more. Sounds like Afghanistan, but it is the United States of America

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by Velvet

It is so hard to hear about another mass killing. I don’t blame the guns alone, the man could have used any other method, but the gun he brought certainly helped.

Then there are the victims, completely unanticipated, life suddenly over. Who will look after their families now?

Guns are the weapon of choice for mass killings because they're relatively easy to get, easy to use, ammo is cheap enough, and they can kill a lot of people in a very short amount of time even if you're a lousy shot.

The primary function of a gun is to kill. That is why they exist. Every other function (fun, competition, symbolic, providing a physical visible threat for any reason at all) is secondary.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

Guns are the weapon of choice for mass killings because they're relatively easy to get, easy to use, ammo is cheap enough, and they can kill a lot of people in a very short amount of time even if you're a lousy shot.

The primary function of a gun is to kill. That is why they exist. Every other function (fun, competition, symbolic, providing a physical visible threat for any reason at all) is secondary.

I believe the perps would use other methods, sadly, if guns were not available. We can not be naive about the intentions of these killers.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

Guns are the weapon of choice for mass killings because they're relatively easy to get, easy to use, ammo is cheap enough, and they can kill a lot of people in a very short amount of time even if you're a lousy shot.

The primary function of a gun is to kill. That is why they exist. Every other function (fun, competition, symbolic, providing a physical visible threat for any reason at all) is secondary.

EXACTLY!

[manaboutown]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I believe the perps would use other methods, sadly, if guns were not available. We can not be naive about the intentions of these killers.

Yes, knifings in England and Wales for example! Ten charts on the rise of knife crime in England and Wales - BBC News

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Aces4

I believe the perps would use other methods, sadly, if guns were not available. We can not be naive about the intentions of these killers.

Such as?

A sword?

A knife?

A baseball bat?

Grenades?

?????

on the "naiveté" though...just not on the subject you've mentioned.



NOTHING allows killing faster and more effectively...than a firearm.

[Number 10 GI]

Originally Posted by manaboutown

Yes, knifings in England and Wales for example! Ten charts on the rise of knife crime in England and Wales - BBC News

Legal gun ownership in Mexico is nearly impossible unless you are connected to the right people. Back in the late 80's I read a report stating that there were more knife homicides in Mexico than homicides from all causes (knife, gun, bludgeon, beating, etc.) in the United States for the same time frame. If a person has the intent to kill they will find something to use to commit the murder.

[manaboutown]

Some of the highest homicide rates using guns occur in gun controlled countries. There’s a new global ranking of gun deaths. Here’s where the U.S. stands | PBS NewsHour

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Number 10 GI

Legal gun ownership in Mexico is nearly impossible unless you are connected to the right people. Back in the late 80's I read a report stating that there were more knife homicides in Mexico than homicides from all causes (knife, gun, bludgeon, beating, etc.) in the United States for the same time frame.

If a person has the intent to kill they will find something to use to commit the murder.

I agree with the underlined above and totally agree/understand that 'murder' will never be completely eradicated, but I think you (and so many others) are totally failing to acknowledge the most important aspect...that being the pure numbers involved with each horrific incident.

One thing is guaranteed however, continuing to do NOTHING...isn't working.



The famous quote, attributed to Einstein, definitely applies here...

"Insanity Is Doing the Same Thing Over and Over Again and Expecting Different Results."

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Such as?

A sword?

A knife?

A baseball bat?

Grenades?

?????

on the "naiveté" though...just not on the subject you've mentioned.



NOTHING allows killing faster and more effectively...than a firearm.

Where there's a will there's a way. Yes, guns make it easier to kill. But when guns aren't available, people intent on killing will adapt.

Eighty six people killed by a truck.. Very effectively. 2016 Nice truck attack - Wikipedia

Bombings also seem to be pretty popular in places where guns aren't available.

[Aces4]

Originally Posted by ColdNoMore

Such as?

A sword?

A knife?

A baseball bat?

Grenades?

?????

on the "naiveté" though...just not on the subject you've mentioned.



NOTHING allows killing faster and more effectively...than a firearm.

Computers provide total access to so many methods of destruction and many are unaware of the havoc a deluded person can wreak. Surely, the Oklahoma bombings haven’t been forgotten. Chemical/poisoning weapons are not beyond the reach of deluded people. The scary part is, far greater numbers of lives could be lost on those hellbent to harm. Therefore, the “NOTHING” analogy doesn’t carry water.

[ColdNoMore]

Originally Posted by Aces4

Computers provide total access to so many methods of destruction and many are unaware of the havoc a deluded person can wreak. Surely, the Oklahoma bombings haven’t been forgotten. Chemical/poisoning weapons are not beyond the reach of deluded people. The scary part is, far greater numbers of lives could be lost on those hellbent to harm. Therefore, the “NOTHING” analogy doesn’t carry water.

OK, point taken on incorrectly using..."NOTHING."

Speaking of the horrific OKC bombing though, at least SOME THINGS were done...to try and prevent another one.

Impact of the Oklahoma City Bombing 20 Years Later | Newseum



So tell us how many things have been done to try and prevent mass murderers...who use firearms and high-capacity magazines?


I'll wait.