[Bogie Shooter]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Chicago and NYC have some of the toughest gun laws in the USA.

Check and see how well those work!

It ain't the gun!!

Just go to an adjoining state and buy it there...………...

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by billethkid

Chicago and NYC have some of the toughest gun laws in the USA.

Check and see how well those work!

It ain't the gun!!

No, it's not the gun. It is the ease of acquiring one by simply driving over the state line, buying one legally there, and bringing it back home.

ANYONE with a fake ID can get a gun at a gun show. No background check required, no proof that you know how to use it, no license necessary.

Firearms are too easy for ANYONE to get. The government needs to provide more accountability to both the buyer and the seller.

Regarding killing people with a car or a truck filled with fertilizer and fuel (to whoever posted that) none of those three things are made exclusively for the purpose of killing anyone (or anything). Fertilizer's function is to help things GROW. Deisel is a fuel that is designed to - fuel things. Cars are designed to get people from point A to point B. Guns are designed to shoot things and people. Semi-automatic rifles are designed to shoot -and- kill lots of people in a short period of time.

That is the reason why guns exist in the first place.

A license to drive a car is what you get after proving you know how to drive the car. A license to own a firearm is what you get after proving you - want to own a firearm.

There needs to be more control, more accountability, more checks and balances. Right now it's just too easy for any crackpot to walk into a gun show, buy a gun, leave, and shoot up a store.

[bob47]

Mental illness is certainly a component. The trouble is, we give people access to mass killing machines - how else would you describe these semi-automatic military weapons? - when they fill out paper work and it is decided that they are OK to own one today.

But what happens when they flip out 2 years from now and they own a powerful semi-automatic weapon? Nobody has ever explained how you check on their continued mental balance after they bought the weapon.

[retiredguy123]

The problem is who will decide whether a person who wants to buy a gun is or is not a "crackpot"?

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Originally Posted by retiredguy123

The problem is who will decide whether a person who wants to buy a gun is or is not a "crackpot"?

Well let's see. If they've been regular visitors to the local drug rehab center courtesy of a court order, it's a pretty good guess that they probably shouldn't own a firearm. If they have an existing, active diagnosis of borderline personality disorder with delusional tendencies, I'm thinking maybe nix on the AR-15. If she was hospitalized in the last year for attempted suicide - don't issue a license, don't sell the gun.

While this information isn't public knowledge unless it's the result of a court order, it is in a database. Any time a patient poses a threat to anyone including themselves, that information is put into a database.

The seller doesn't even need to know WHY they're being told not to sell the gun. They only need to know "this person has a red flag on her request."

[Trayderjoe]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

No, it's not the gun. It is the ease of acquiring one by simply driving over the state line, buying one legally there, and bringing it back home.

It is actually ILLEGAL to sell a firearm to a resident of another state without going through a dealer, and sellers cannot ship directly to (non-FFL) buyers in another state.

ANYONE with a fake ID can get a gun at a gun show. No background check required, no proof that you know how to use it, no license necessary.

This is an incorrect statement as written. A background check IS required at gun shows when a dealer sells a gun to an individual.

Firearms are too easy for ANYONE to get. The government needs to provide more accountability to both the buyer and the seller.

Regarding killing people with a car or a truck filled with fertilizer and fuel (to whoever posted that) none of those three things are made exclusively for the purpose of killing anyone (or anything). Fertilizer's function is to help things GROW. Deisel is a fuel that is designed to - fuel things. Cars are designed to get people from point A to point B. Guns are designed to shoot things and people. Semi-automatic rifles are designed to shoot -and- kill lots of people in a short period of time.

A semi-automatic rifle shoots one round of ammunition for each trigger pull- exactly the same rate as a semi-automatic handgun or a revolver. And to head off the "modified gun argument", if a gun was modified to be automatic, that act would be illegal and now we are no longer talking about responsible, legal owners of guns.

The corollary? Taking fertilizer, using it to make a bomb, and taking a car to make it the delivery vehicle for the bomb. You start with something legal, and in this case, there are NO background checks to purchase fertilizer or a car, unlike the background checks required to legally purchase a gun from a dealer.

That is the reason why guns exist in the first place.

A license to drive a car is what you get after proving you know how to drive the car. A license to own a firearm is what you get after proving you - want to own a firearm.

Acquiring a license to concealed carry a firearm requires certification after passing a handgun safety course, fingerprinting, and a background check. If for example, you are a felon or have been adjudicated to have a mental illness, you can't get a license.

There needs to be more control, more accountability, more checks and balances. Right now it's just too easy for any crackpot to walk into a gun show, buy a gun, leave, and shoot up a store.

Others have touched on the "violence problem" and mental illness. Actually this is where we need to be looking. Why is the suicide rate rising? Why do people not value life and choose violence as the answer? I remember a teenager being killed over a quarter when I was in junior high school. A quarter! Instead of fixating on the method, we need to understand the why.

Oh and by the way, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration reports that almost 30 people PER DAY are killed as a result of drunk driving crashes (link). Cars may not have been designed primarily to kill, but they are certainly effective at doing it WHEN USED ILLEGALLY.

[B-flat]

Originally Posted by Trayderjoe

Others have touched on the "violence problem" and mental illness. Actually this is where we need to be looking. Why is the suicide rate rising? Why do people not value life and choose violence as the answer? I remember a teenager being killed over a quarter when I was in junior high school. A quarter! Instead of fixating on the method, we need to understand the why.

I have no answers, but God has been removed from many things in life the maybe that plays into it?

[retiredguy123]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

Well let's see. If they've been regular visitors to the local drug rehab center courtesy of a court order, it's a pretty good guess that they probably shouldn't own a firearm. If they have an existing, active diagnosis of borderline personality disorder with delusional tendencies, I'm thinking maybe nix on the AR-15. If she was hospitalized in the last year for attempted suicide - don't issue a license, don't sell the gun.

While this information isn't public knowledge unless it's the result of a court order, it is in a database. Any time a patient poses a threat to anyone including themselves, that information is put into a database.

The seller doesn't even need to know WHY they're being told not to sell the gun. They only need to know "this person has a red flag on her request."

So, if a person has a mental issue and wants to seek treatment, do they need to jeopardize their right to buy a gun? If so, then I think that some people might just choose to not seek the treatment they need.

[OrangeBlossomBaby]

Texas has an open carry policy. It does not require background checks for firearm purchases. You can buy a semi-automatic weapon in any gun shop in Texas, and Walmart sells guns in El Paso. Lots of guns all over the place in Texas, including El Paso. No license necessary, it is not required in Texas. You only need a conceal license for handguns, but no license at all for open carry. Not a single person attempted to stop the shooter.

[Trayderjoe]

Originally Posted by B-flat

I have no answers, but God has been removed from many things in life the maybe that plays into it?

I would not disagree with this statement. Do I think it is the only answer? No, but I think it might be a contributory cause. Unfortunately, in my opinion, if we continue to look at the how instead of the why, we won't move closer to finding the answers.

[Trayderjoe]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

Texas has an open carry policy. It does not require background checks for firearm purchases. You can buy a semi-automatic weapon in any gun shop in Texas, and Walmart sells guns in El Paso. Lots of guns all over the place in Texas, including El Paso. No license necessary, it is not required in Texas. You only need a conceal license for handguns, but no license at all for open carry. Not a single person attempted to stop the shooter.

Background checks for firearm purchase from a licensed dealer are required by FEDERAL law, so no, you can't buy a firearm from a licensed dealer without one in Texas.

[Kenswing]

Originally Posted by Jazuela

Texas has an open carry policy. It does not require background checks for firearm purchases. You can buy a semi-automatic weapon in any gun shop in Texas, and Walmart sells guns in El Paso. Lots of guns all over the place in Texas, including El Paso. No license necessary, it is not required in Texas. You only need a conceal license for handguns, but no license at all for open carry. Not a single person attempted to stop the shooter.

Do you just make this stuff up as you go along? Open carry has nothing to do with purchasing a gun and background checks. Even TX has to follow Federal law..

[Trayderjoe]

Here is a link to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (link)

And here too is the Federal Firearm Laws Quick Reference sheet (link)

The Federal Gun Control regulations are in Title 18 of the United States Code Chapter 44.

[manaboutown]

Too many psychos out there. They may be only one in 10,000 but that is 100 in a million.

[anothersteve]

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter

Just go to an adjoining state and buy it there...………...

No you can't. For someone that likes facts and figures, links........you
just don't know.
Steve