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buggyone 01-26-2014 12:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Dusty74 (Post 818525)
"Gun Free Zones" are a joke. Almost all of these shootings occur in so called gun free zones (Schools, malls, etc).

It is downright amazing that some people actually believe school teachers should carry sidearms in a holster during classtime in case of a shooting at the school.

The odds are pretty good that a student would take the gun from the teacher's holster and start playing with it and shoot someone - or the teacher might just have a really bad day and pump out a few rounds into the classroom.

Did you know that here in Florida that any veteran with a DD214 can get a concealed carry permit for only the application fee and fingerprint fee without any gun range training or practice or proficiency test? The last time most of the veterans in The Villages fired a gun under stressful situations was anywhere from 20-40 YEARS ago.

Parker 01-26-2014 05:33 AM

We immerse our young in violence, from hyperviolent movies to blood-drenched vicious video games, which is how many entertain themselves. Children used to go outside and play games which taught things like fair play, taking turns, contribution to the team, etc.

Is it any wonder that some of them take that frightening bedrock learning out into the world? It isn't guns that are cool, its gratuitous violence that is cool, revenge is cool. The stress of our world only aggravates this. God help us all.

al & jane 01-26-2014 05:59 AM

The Bath School disaster is the historical name of the violent attacks perpetrated by Andrew Kehoe on May 18, 1927, in Bath Township, Michigan, that killed 38 elementary school children and six adults in total, and injured at least 58 other people.[Note 1] Kehoe first killed his wife, fire-bombed his farm and set off a major explosion in the Bath Consolidated School, before committing suicide by detonating a final explosion in his truck. It is the deadliest mass murder in a school in United States history.

No guns were involved.

Topspinmo 01-26-2014 08:07 AM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 818592)
It is downright amazing that some people actually believe school teachers should carry sidearms in a holster during classtime in case of a shooting at the school.

The odds are pretty good that a student would take the gun from the teacher's holster and start playing with it and shoot someone - or the teacher might just have a really bad day and pump out a few rounds into the classroom.

Did you know that here in Florida that any veteran with a DD214 can get a concealed carry permit for only the application fee and fingerprint fee without any gun range training or practice or proficiency test? The last time most of the veterans in The Villages fired a gun under stressful situations was anywhere from 20-40 YEARS ago.

Could it that ALL veterans was trained and had to be proficient with rifle and hand gun? Guess you didn't know that? I guess I need swimming lessons before I can get in the pools even though I learned how to swim at age 8?

What part of conceal carry don't you undstand?. Daa it means you don't walk around with the gun exposed. IMO most teachers couldn't even handle fly swatter to kill coach roach. So I can see your point.

Taltarzac725 01-26-2014 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Floridagal (Post 818327)
There was a shooting at Columbia Mall in MD. My granddaughters were planning
on going there this afternoon. Three people killed. Looks like all these shootings are never going to stop. So easy to get gun today.

So glad that your granddaughters are OK. From what I saw on the news this looked like it was a carry over of a lovers spat or something like that. These often involve the use of whatever weapon is around at the time from pots and pans to knives to boiling water. If more time is involved for planning then all kinds of weapons become accessible. Maryland Mall Shooter Also Had Explosives, Police Say - ABC News

I still believe that we need commonsense limitations on the accessibility of certain weapons especially those which can be used for mass murders. It is impossible to stop all of these but stricter controls would curtail some of these.

DAWN MARIE 01-26-2014 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Parker (Post 818607)
We immerse our young in violence, from hyperviolent movies to blood-drenched vicious video games, which is how many entertain themselves. Children used to go outside and play games which taught things like fair play, taking turns, contribution to the team, etc.

Is it any wonder that some of them take that frightening bedrock learning out into the world? It isn't guns that are cool, its gratuitous violence that is cool, revenge is cool. The stress of our world only aggravates this. God help us all.

Yes, this is sooooo important. The externals are just indicators as to what is going on internally. Everything starts with a thought. Everything. So what our kids are being fed is going to eventually come out.

God is the answer. Might not be the popular answer but it's the truth.

buggyone 01-26-2014 03:38 PM

I really wonder what the motive of the shooting was. Former or disgruntled employee of the store, extremely angry customer, jilted boyfriend, or just plain random psycho shooting?

It was not a spur of the moment shooting like the psycho police captain in the movie theater but was fully planned out. How does someone bring a shotgun into a taxi and a mall unnoticed? It might have been wrapped in a blanket but still...?

graciegirl 01-26-2014 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Parker (Post 818607)
We immerse our young in violence, from hyperviolent movies to blood-drenched vicious video games, which is how many entertain themselves. Children used to go outside and play games which taught things like fair play, taking turns, contribution to the team, etc.

Is it any wonder that some of them take that frightening bedrock learning out into the world? It isn't guns that are cool, its gratuitous violence that is cool, revenge is cool. The stress of our world only aggravates this. God help us all.



Well said. Sadly read.

DonH57 01-26-2014 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 818592)
It is downright amazing that some people actually believe school teachers should carry sidearms in a holster during classtime in case of a shooting at the school.

The odds are pretty good that a student would take the gun from the teacher's holster and start playing with it and shoot someone - or the teacher might just have a really bad day and pump out a few rounds into the classroom.

Did you know that here in Florida that any veteran with a DD214 can get a concealed carry permit for only the application fee and fingerprint fee without any gun range training or practice or proficiency test? The last time most of the veterans in The Villages fired a gun under stressful situations was anywhere from 20-40 YEARS ago.

I did not know that about here in Florida about veterans. When I was still active duty and processing my retirement papers for whatever reasons they checked to make sure my qualifications were valid for a year on my retirement date. Made no sense to me but I enjoyed any visit to the range.


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