The solution being some how getting around the laws of physics as we understand them

Our genes are very close to Dolphins as well, yet I am the world's worst swimmer.
Did enjoy swinging around in trees when younger though, and my knuckles still drag along the ground.

Life is competitive. Warfare tests the organizational and cognitive abilities , humans dominating the environment compete with other humans, Neanderthals' came out second best.

And the earth was flat 3 or 4 hundred years ago.

There still some Neanderthal’s around. :evil6:

That maybe our problem not their’s ?

Some need to Education with ancient aliens programs. We are their children so they say. Proof in ancient ruins which we can’t duplicate today.

I figure it is a similar situation to seeing or experiencing spirits. I'm open to life on other planets.

There are entire groups of people presently who believe the earth is flat. They have a whole "Flat Earth Society" with membership and everything. They also think that the moon landing was a fake and never happened. It's pretty crazy.

One helluva waste of real estate if there isn't.

Mankind throughout recorded history and probably much farther back than that, has ALWAYS seen the race is unique. Something special. Probably a lot easier to do when the only elements there were, were earth, air, fire, and water; and the greater light, the lesser light, and those hundreds of little pinpoint lights up there all revolved around us. Then along came people with names like Newton, Galileo, and Einstein, and all of a sudden we weren't so special any more. Neither is our insignificant little pebble orbiting a nondescript sun tucked away in a far corner of a pretty ordinary galaxy.

The point is this. Given the immensity of the Universe and our own ordinariness, I find it impossible to believe that life arose ONLY on our pebble.

It's actually worse than that. Your 4.2 light years would be the closest star to Earth, Alpha Centauri, which has no confirmed habitable planets. So it's likely that any travelers would be coming from much farther away. Add to that the need to travel much faster than the speed of light, which is currently believed to be impossible, and the issues with space/time at those speeds, and visitation becomes even less likely.

If you do a little google searching, you'll see that after WW2, many believed that some Nazis escaped to the moon. This was because after the war we discovered their work on rockets, and people knew very little about the complexity of space travel, or about the habitability of the moon. Once the public knowledge of both grew, those beliefs quickly dissipated.

I put UFO's in the same category. If people really understood the complexity of FTL travel, and the vast distances of space, most would understand that it is highly unlikely, even an impossibility that we have ever been visited.

That does not mean their isn't life on other planets. I just believe that it is rare, and far enough away that we will never know on this side of eternity if it exists.

One has to accept the idea that UFOs are of an alien presence first.

The UFO phenomenon has intrigued me since I was a teenager and saw 3 one night. Always been an aviation nut and was in Civil Air Patrol at the time and am positive it was not a misidentified aircraft.. for various reasons.

There has been a concerted effort by the government to ridicule incidents, sightings, etc that's only now starting to reverse. The Phoenix lights of '97 is an example.

Navy pilots are on record as tracking UFO's off the south east coast flying into the sea. There's alot of hoaxes out there but also compelling stuff that doesn't make the mainstream news.

Just another way for "some" to waste their time and our money. I enjoy watching scifi BUT just because I am entertained by it, does not mean that I believe in it or want money wasted on chasing geese or hunting witches.

It was less than 200 years ago that a voyage from America to Australia took around four months, and a trip overland from our east coast to west coast was a journey of more than half a year. If you made it at all.

Today, flight time New York to Sydney is about 22 hours and NY to LA a hair over 6.

We didn't know how to build machines that could fly at near (or in the case of Concorde, over) the speed of sound.

Until we did.

If you run a modifies version of the Drake equation with the numbers from the James Webb telescope, you come up with a MINIMUM of 40 TRILLION intelligent civilizations spread across the observable universe. While that sounds like a lot, it's only 40 in our galaxy of 400 billion stars. However, unless Einstein was wrong and practical FTL (and MUCH FTL) travel is possible, no 2 will ever meet each other

Roswell was biggest cover up in America history. You don’t need undertaker for weather balloon.

I don't think that is central to the debate , it is more a mater of how common, a large number of things had to occur just so for the condition for organic life as we know it to happen here, how common is the occurrence of "intelligent life ? we only have one data point = pure speculation on top of speculation add to that the speculation on the possibility/ probability of interstellar travel , more speculation.

Did you ever think that it doesn't make the mainstream news for a reason? Like, maybe - fantastical mythological fictional conspiracy aliens isn't newsworthy, but rather the stuff of stories told round the campfire to scare campers in the summertime?

Sort of like how you sometimes see "cancer has been cured, but doctors won't tell you how!" garbage on the internet or in the Weekly World News or the National Enquirer. The reason doctors won't tell you how, is because it's not true. It's just someone peddling their snake oil, or pushing an agenda.

Like - "the government is hiding this information and I'm going to tell you all about it!" Conspiracy nonsense. If you know what it is, and can tell me all about it, then - the government didn't do a very good job of hiding it, did they? Or maybe - they're not hiding anything and you're just trying to get attention.

(you meaning - imperial you, not you specifically)

Do you seriously think that in this vast universe we are the only inhabitants?

It's an interesting theory, but full of flaws. For example, they like to point to ancient carvings that depict "flames" coming from "ships". Do we really think the "aliens" burn rocket fuel to travel vast distances faster than light? They point to any one of a dozen "documented" UFO crashes. The aliens can navigate dozens or hundreds of light years around stars, nebulae, and black holes but crash here? And speaking of navigation, they had to build pyramids and Nazca lines to get around, as if navigating visually? We don't even do that anymore. Yes, there are a lot of unexplained occurrences in our past, but alien influence might be a reach.

True. It COULD be the subterranean lizard people.

"They crash here" is the quote. Perhaps they never encountered our lightning storms on this planet? At Roswell in July 1947 there was a tremendous thunderstorm with lightning that could have caused the crash. I suggest you read the book "Witness to Roswell" and get the whole story.

Need look at ruins in South America. No one today can cut stone to fit that tight let along all the angles.

The Mysterious Blocks Of Puma Punku. | by Rufat Rassulov | Lessons from History | Medium

Any intelligent life that could travel vast distances at speed would probably want to monitor the progress of developing species like ours on other planets.

And they probably would also conduct experiments on us . And maybe some became enamored of some groups in particular.

Other than in mind there no proof, not like ruins all or world that can’t Be explained or duplicated.

The probability that life of some form exists somewhere in the universe of perhaps 2 trillion galaxies: high. The probability that life somewhere in the universe has become advanced enough to travel the vast distances of space and has decided to come to this remote corner of the Milky Way Galaxy (which is 100,000 light years across): low.

Maybe we are some alien teenager's science project similar to our ant farms. The UFO crashes, you know how reckless teenage drivers can be.

People will always find the evidence to support what they have decided to believe, want to believe that UFOs are extraterrestrials , find things that can be spun to show they have been here and made their mark, no need to explain why they sneak in and out

It's just one of many historical mysteries---besides, was Puma Punku built in 200 AD or 17,000 BC??? Maybe, since we don't build with carved stone, we lost that skill. How much more removed from building with stone would aliens capable of interstellar travel be???
There was an episode of Stargate where essentially computer chips called replicators were conquering the galaxy and our very advanced alien allies were losing since all their weapons were energy/particle beam based and the replicants were immune. It took our primitive machine guns to defeat them, something the more advanced allies would never have thought of. I just have my doubts that any aliens would travel to Earth just to play Lego with 100 ton stones in Peru.

You don't save your dryer lint?:confused:

Wouldnt you think after some amount of time we'd figure out fighting isnt very productive?

No kidding! Some of them post here and love to brag about golf and their overall superiority.

Not Lego blocks. "Melted" stone, in liquid state.
The solution is transfered to and then poured into magnetic energy forms stacked in desired locations then left to dry/harden in place. When the energy forms are turned off, they leave the stones as we see them today. Quite simple when you have the equipment and knowledge.

It’s hard for some to dispute facts from Hollywood isn’t it?

Fighting is survival for most species, still for some humans. It may return if the civilized world not careful.

Saw that too. But not so simple. And if were molten stone, explain the tool marks.

Everything is simple when you know the secret. Ask a magician. Tool "marks" left behind from stone age people, early explorers and archeologists. Millenia of weathering, etc.

Wouldn't concrete, in its initial stage, qualify as "molten stone"?

We've used that form of molten stone as far back as ancient Rome and probably before.

Mixed with veg waste, make good compost as well.