At least he didn't shoot up a bunch of kindergarteners...

There have been at least 81 school shootings in the United States so far this year, as of December 6.

Twenty-seven were on college campuses, and 54 were on K-12 school grounds.

The incidents left 36 people dead and at least 109 other victims injured,

Just saying...

I do not know of any case where CEOs have been sent to prison for any significant time for having corporate policies that killed people.

The most egregious cases that I can think of are Pinto and Bhopal. I think that Pinto was just a civil lawsuit. I don't think anyone was charged criminally. In Bhopal, the actions in the US were dismissed but some people were sent to prison in India for two years and a $2000 fine.

According to the internet, some insurance companies appear to intentionally deny some legitimate claims in order to save money As a result, people have died because of those decisions.

If that is true, that a company intentionally denies valid claims and people die because they don't get the medical treatment that would have saved their lives - should the people that make those decisions be subject to criminal prosecution? Or should they be immune from criminal liability and the criminal action is only brought against the corporation?

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Interesting opinion.

So, the top 10% of earners paying 77% of all income tax and the top 53% paying 100% of that tax isn't "fair enough". I suppose handing out social service $$$ that would require an uneducated single mother of 2 to hold a job that pays $78,000/year to break even is fair?

Just giving the opposing viewpoint

However when your child is denied possible lifesaving treatment, either by surgical or chemical intervention, by your healthcare. One might have different thoughts. It happens everyday, maybe hasn’t crossed your lifetime, but many have denied care, that it would be for some not just a bad experience, but a trip to the cemetery.

Has anyone else seen the headlines referencing his wife said he had been receiving threats? There was an interview with a security firm that noted it was quite odd the CEO was alone when shot. He had no one with him and no security detail. Seen another article referring to the possibility Brian Thompson had hired a hit man to assist with his own suicide. There were investigations going on for insider trading. Seems there will be another side investigators find.

There are a lot of theories on the internet.

It is generally common knowledge that in the 50s and 60s that a middle class family could have as many as 3 children and STILL be happy and feeling successful with their lives with ONLY ONE PERSON WORKING FULL TIME AT ONLY ONE JOB (usually the husband). Today it is generally considered necessary for BOTH the husband and wife to work (often more than 1 job for greater than 40 hours per week). And then they must decided IF they can afford to have ONE child.
.........So, we ask ourselves, "What has changed in those 65-some years until today". Obviously, a lot has changed, but to me, the most important change has been the tax laws changing to benefit the upper class over the middle class.
.........Certainly, there have been other noteworthy changes. The OUTSOURCING of American manufacturing has benefited the upper 10% and has HURT the middle class, which by 2000 really ceased to exist.
..........Increased immigration after 1980 also has helped eliminate the middle class.
..........Decimation of US UNIONS has also been a factor in the demise of the middle class.
..........Part of the reason behind the UHC executive shooting and the so-called "UNEXPLAINED" lack of sympathy for the murdered executive and his family is explained by the MIDDLE CLASS TENSION existing throughout US society. I do NOT see this going away soon BECAUSE of the problems that I have enumerated above.

That was the plot of a popular movie with Denzel Washington.

The movie was John Q.

John Q. - Wikipedia.

If one wants economic equality, might I suggest North Korea????

The big picture point is that when the size of imbalance gets to an extreme, where the masses can overwhelm the plutocrats, and there is desperation for survival, to avoid some pain of sorts, desperate people can perform desperate acts, and movements can snowball. .
FOMO is a strong human herding effect towards varies themes du jour.

I would suggest that most in TV are not in the desperate camp, but that doesn't mean desperation can't be real, and that the French revolution can't happen here over other issues than food. . . The worst of all worlds happened in Greece, where the rich class took all their money and moved out of the country. . . leaving the country very poor due to lack of money and opportunity. .

Europe's world dominance in the late 1800s was surpassed by the American world dominance in the 1900s and early 2000s. . will that continue, or fall as all major civilation leasers have, mostly from within. .

GE is correct to move to NK because the plutocrats keep the proletariat in check with force, unlike the freedoms where have in the US/European cultures. .

You are on to something. This is a link to a professor at UPenn who says she has 'never been prouder to be a professor at UP' while a popular protest song from Les Mis plays. https://x.com/EYakoby/status/1866506642977611970 Very strange reaction to a murder.

The shooter is from a wealthy family.

don't negate the post, wait and see what he states his motivations are. . doesn't mean he has alot of money, just means that he "potentially" has access to alot of money.

In Attica health care is free, just not much of it.

I believe that this post aligns with my post in substance. This post is much more elegant than mine. It brings in a nice historic flavor to the subject.

What I WANT is economic FAIRNESS as there was in the 50s and 60s when America had the world's strongest middle class. After 1980 the average middle class worker's pay stayed the same (made ZERO gains) when inflation is considered - from 1980 until today. After Covid there was a small gain in average pay.
.........What I would have liked to HAVE HAPPENED is for the tax laws to NOT have been changed toward benefiting the upper class. That would have kept the working class strong (and incidentally made the US stronger than it is today). I would have liked to have the Politicians from 1980 to today to have RESISTED all forms of OUTSOURCING to China and other countries. I would have LIKED the Politicians after 1960 to have KEPT the population of the US from rising above 260 million people by decreasing IMMIGRATION to only a few needed Physicians and top end Scientists. Note now we have so many unnecessary low level people ALREADY in the USA, that we are now thinking about deporting 10 or 20 million people. That would be REVERSE immigration. What an interesting concept. What if a country DECIDED what their BEST maximum population SHOULD be. Switzerland may be the closest country that tries to keep an IDEAL population level. Australia also has strict rules about immigration.
...........I would also RESPECT and encourage ALL UNIONS.
..........If the US had done those things that I outlined above, I believe that America would be STRONGER than it is today and Americans would be happier and wealthier. It would be like "the streets were REALLY paved in GOLD".

Oh, I believe in Capitalism, definitely!!!! Just a purer form of Capitalism like in the 50s and 60s. Today the US government and its laws have caused a fertile ground for dissatisfaction and the dissatisfied have resorted to violence against a CEO of UHC and also a bullet hitting the ear......... Mr. Luigi Mangione may or may not be dissatisfied that the US middle class is not stronger and strong enough NOT to resist a GREEDY CEO of an insurance company that denies 30% of its customers claims. Luigi has become like a Robin Hood figure because he robbed from the RICH. He didn't rob for money and he was wrong to take a life. But many businesses in the US are ROBBING Americans every day. Some pharmacy medicines are priced like a Robin Hood highway robbery.
.........Most Americans would agree that the US form of Medical DELIVERY that DEPENDS on GREEDY insurance companies should be CHANGED. A killer with a gun is a shocking example of the need for change - to keep Capitalism in medicine, but ELIMINATE the GREED.

The shooter is just some evil SOB who wanted to be famous like the Unabomber. Sick that some people are trying to make a hero out of him.

Wow. You think the tax rate in the 50's was fair??? Some paid 0 while others paid 85%! Here's what's "fair"---a flat 17%, PERIOD.

I agree with you. Although the internet has been a vehicle for a lot of good, unfortunately it at times can give rise to a very dark side of humanity that hides behind anonymity to say many awful things. Seeing what happens on teen social sites and children being driven to suicide does show the depravity that can inhabit the web. Australia is on the right track limiting internet access to young people in order to protect them. We adults have to make our own decisions. It is disturbing to me to see all the class warfare, anti business, and political theories as to why this happened. Some even theorize that the man himself or his wife had him killed by this amateur. Is it possible that this is just one man who went to New York alone and murdered this businessman?

Right, the shooter is a cold blooded murderer.

Many rich people pay ZERO taxes today. A flat tax system would only help rich people and hurt the most important segment of ANY society - the middle class. A highly progressive tax that forces rich people to pay their fair share is the best because those that are born lucky enough to be rich will be able to help out those that were not so lucky and some that have physical problems.
........Incidentally, one of the main ideas of the early Colonists were that each generation should earn their OWN way. That they should NOT get inheritances from their parents. Inheritances makes rich families, which eventually develop into KINGS and DICTATORS. There should be zero transfer of inter - generational wealth.

A murderer is a murderer and that IS very wrong. But, the important point about this interesting situation IS that many on the internet REALIZE that it is WRONG and SHOULD BE A CRIME to deny insurance claims at a ridiculously high rate. Greed approaches a CRIME when people get a medical procedure denied that would have saved their lives.
............Let me put this on a balance beam .......DEAD customers that were denied care versus more money going into the hands of GREEDY corporations.

Flat income taxes have gone the way of the DODO bird because they are just WAY wrong. Florida has a flat tax called Sales tax and can get away with it because they have so many visitors from Europe to the Magic Kingdom. Florida had better hope that Europeans do NOT decide to boycott Florida.

How many people have been murdered by healthcare companies denying coverage, coverage you pay for in the name of greed. The largest reason people file bankruptcy is because of medical debt, this is unconscionable.

UHC was denying more than any other company. These companies don't even use medical professionals or even someone with a medical background to determine if claims should be paid or denied. One doctor was saying that a patient was denied chemotherapy because the person making the decision didn't know that a carcinoma was cancer!

He had spinal surgery to his lower back and was living with debilitating back pain. Probably on lots of pain meds...

Interesting that he shot the CEO in the back...

Luigi Mangione told friends about back pain before CEO slaying: reports | Fox News

Envy, one of the Seven Deadly Sins.

All I remember about the 50's, as a young kid, is hard times. I grew up poor and many of our neighbors and friends weren't much better off than us. I never experienced those good old days in the 50's.
Manufacturing is what built the middle class in this country. The demise of the middle class started when U.S. manufacturers, starting in the 80's if I remember correctly, began moving their plants to 3d world countries and shuttering their facilities in the U.S. We need to bring back manufacturing into this country.

Unfortunately the world is a different place than the 50s . WW2 devastated a large section of the developed world, at the same time stimulating the growth of industry here in the USA, Third world countries were very much third world countries lacking much basic infrastructure. The situation geopolitically, economically and militarily put the western democracies in a position of the greatest leverage. One wage earner households could do OK. The devastated countries rebuilt, third world countries improved their economic potential all that = competition and now two wage earners per household is normal in order to have the standard of living people want . But that competition continues , it will not stop, economically, geopolitically, militarily,, nothing is as certain as change

I found this on the internet.

Medicare Advantage plans denied 7.4% of 46.2 million requests submitted in 2022. This was up from 5.7% in 2019.

...and United Healthcare denied almost 33% of claims submitted to plans covering subscribers of their marketplace plans.

Pretty sure the shooter would not have been on a Medicare Advantage plan since he's only in his 20's.

As a medical provider for nearly 40 years, I cannot remember the last time UHC denied a claim we made for a patient...

I agree that he was not on Advantage.

I posted it because UHC Advantage is very popular in the Villages and I thought people should be aware of UHC’s track record.

As someone who's been a patient with health insurance for the past 63 years, I can't remember the last time my health insurance denied a claim made by me or my doctor on my behalf for treatment. Does that mean everyone who claims they were denied is lying? If so, then wouldn't that also imply that your claim that you've ever had a claim denied in 40 years is also a lie?

OR - more realistic - personal anecdotes mean bubkes. Your uhc group may only take people that you know will have their issues approved in advance. Pre-approvals, coordination between specialists and pcps - continuity of care, end all that sort of thing, can make it such that the odds of success is high when everything is communicating with each other.

Many people have need of a Bogey Man, a target for discontent

All this talk about denial of claims and the shooter was not a client of UHC. He is psychotic.
Brought on by drug use.

"My UHC Group?

I have no idea what that means...

We've accepted ALL UHC patients for decades...

And you're up to date on every claim you've made for the last 63 years?

How old are you again?