Keeping It Real:

Now here is where I get lost. The pope is mortal and just like any other man can have the same limitations and problems. I assume because preachers, rabbis inman are also mortal they have limitations and problems like any other man? And if they are mortal and can error then from the very first man who by worth of mouth passed down stories of the bible (Torah) (Koran) to other men who eventually recorded them can they too be in error? Those believers base the accuracy of the bible on faith that the bible is inspired by God and directed by God to be an accounting of his works and deeds and that of his instruction on man must live.

Likewise science is based on faith that a theory can be proven and that when proven it supports a scientist position but science is never settled and new discoveries only destroy old beliefs

Faith is internal its a stirring, a craving within us and based on our philosophical and psychological profiles carries us to our pre-determined genetic destinations. That is why some people are Catholics, some Jews some Morons, some prefer silent prayer while others prefer shouting out the gospel in song, some bow to the east.

It is all very complicated and so I continue to read, to listen and to analysis what clergy, scientist believers non-believers have to say but I keep coming back to that same point we are all mortal men and we error

Jeez Louise, if you insist on discussing this man please at the very least get his name right. It is STEPHEN HAWKING, not Hawkins. He is a physiscist at Cambridge. In his book A Brief History in Time he discusses his views on creation. At that time he did not declare himself an atheist but concluded that if creation was self contained then God would not have the freedom to choose.

Perhaps you should consider reading some of his work (I don't think they have pictures) or at the very least spell his name properly. FYI, he has ALS, to suggest that he take time from quantum gravity to cure himself almost seems cruel.

Now, I would love to hear your thoughts on other "fools". Einstein? Tesla has always fascinated me, any thoughts on him?

Let's all step back about five paces and look at this debate. We are all good people, believers and non believers, and we should be very grateful that we have our brain cells functioning well enough to argue with each other.

By their works we shall know them, and we haven't been arrested, we pay our bills, take care of ourselves and try to help others and most of us can laugh at ourselves when we become so serious we ruin our own day.

We won't change what is and we won't change each other and we can all feel very privately superior because we think we know better.

I am a big supporter of random acts of kindness and I have been the recipient of many this week. It is my turn to find someone to be kind too.

I have grown to admire so many of you with whom I agree and don't agree and I am so glad to be here with you in this beautiful place.

AND I mean that from my heart.

Dominus Vobiscum

You have the guts to say what I was thinking.

Everyone including Hawking, Einstein,Tesla, will one day in eternity stand before God and give an account of their lives. And it won't be "well, I was a good person, I gave food to the food bank or I went to church every Sunday, or at Easter or Christmas, I said "nice things" to people,etc.etc.. That is like"filthy rags" as the Bible tells us. But he that has given their lives completely in submission and made Jesus Christ their Lord and Savior, the One and Only True Lord will hear these Words, "well done my good and faithful servant" enter in....

The way is very narrow into the kingdom of GOD
 

you must put GOD 1st and everything else 2nd.
You must never change what is written in our Bibles! To the people who say are Bibles are wrong….you are why we must go through this!
Pride will never make it to heaven…..GOD is everything!

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I will be the best person I can be. I think that's all you can do. If there is a God then he should know what's in your heart and mind. I wouldn't think you would have to give an account of your life. Filthy rags? I don't think so.

Just so you know, Einstein and Tesla have already stood before God.

Wait, I have one for you all ll Corinthians 11:19

It's Sunday morning (kind of), shouldn't you people be in church? Have you all crossed over to the dark side and now know that God is everywhere, including your heart and not restricted to a brick and mortar building.

Do they really serve pie at those day long sessions?

Whoa, this sounds smug and prideful to me.

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God is everywhere.
God is not vengeful.
God is love.

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Amen! This is absolutely right. Won't win you brownie points here on earth but the angels in heaven are happy because you are speaking truth. It's NOT about us as we've been taught. It's all about HIM. The reason our world is so screwed up is because we don't have our priorities right. I do believe we have most certainly forgotten the very first commandment.

Einstein and Tesla have not been judged yet nor have they been resurrected yet according to the book of Revelation which is called the White Throne Judgement. Rev 20:11-15.

According to my book, the book of PattyLand, they have been judged but not resurrected. Please reference PL 27:52.