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Topspinmo 10-13-2021 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2017158)
I can’t agree with the comparison. I own a good quality electric blower for our small lot Villages home. On the regular setting it will blow dry debris from the driveway and on the turbo setting it will manage to blow debris that is damp. It struggles to blow wet leaves out of our gutters on the turbo setting. My Stihl 2 cycle blower that I use at our northern home will blow huge piles of soaking wet leaves and if I am not careful it will blow the rocks right off of the rock wall. I wouldn’t dare try to use the Stihl to clean the gutters because it would blow the shingles off the roof. The comparison is not even remotely close, the Stihl blows category 5 hurricane force winds out a small tube and is an absolutely amazing piece of equipment.


Do you own EGO? I didn’t think so, might want Utube electric blower comparison’s.
So, you can’t feather the throttle to control air mass volume? I could with my stihl.

Topspinmo 10-13-2021 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jdulej (Post 2017106)
I'm sure you are correct. After all, you can still buy buggy whips today, but I don't recommend it as a growth industry.


Depends on it Amish life style takes off. :)

charmed59 10-14-2021 05:33 AM

When I moved to Los Altos, CA 30 years ago the town had already banned gas leaf blowers. Pockets of California have been moving away from gas powered yard equipment for decades. Landscapers adjusted.

DaleDivine 10-14-2021 06:13 AM

This would certainly put a lot yard maintenance workers here out of a job.
:boxing2::ohdear:

DaleDivine 10-14-2021 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2016334)
7 AM is super early. If I need to be up before 9:30-11:30 I need to set an alarm.

Our lawn guy hardly ever arrives before 9 A.M.
If I'm not out of bed by 5 A.M. my wife rolls over and asks me if I'm sick...
:bigbow::bigbow:

LateBoomer 10-14-2021 08:15 AM

once what was a great State has degenerated into stupidity. Which is why people and businesses are leaving in droves. I would never ever live there

Moderator 10-14-2021 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2016303)
My 30+ year old Stihl is in the shop needing a few new parts, but CA are just banning the new sales, didn't say you couldn't use one. . . at the moment. They should just stick to lawn mowers and leaf blowers as they are already very many reliable electric options.

They might rethink the gas chainsaws when performing vegetation management around power lines to prevent fires, etc. . . and clearing out round houses . . .

not sure where the moderator gets the proactive connection to homeless and non working people with a gas small engine mandate. . . that one escapes me. . .

Those posts were previously removed.

fdpaq0580 10-14-2021 11:53 AM

True!
 
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Originally Posted by DaleDivine (Post 2017248)
This would certainly put a lot yard maintenance workers here out of a job.
:boxing2::ohdear:

At what size does this rule apply? Are commercial business or government entities exempt? Roadside mowing, brush clearing, forestry? How deep and twisted is this rabbit hole?

Got to admit I don't like the " rrrp rrrp rrrp" of weed whackers and blowers when trying to enjoy breakfast on the lanai every day. ???

Escape Artist 10-14-2021 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by jdulej (Post 2017377)
You make a lot of good points and I agree with you comments about one party. Until very recently (after the 2016 election) the state was a lot more balanced with southern Cal much closer to a red area. The suburbs could not accept you-know-who. That won’t change until the republican party (or some new party) backs away from full on authoritarian rule it is toying with now
People leaving is totally tied to the cost of housing (IMO)

I don't know when you last lived in CA, but nothing you said was correct. The Bluest part of the state are the coastal areas, including the cities like L.A. and SF/Bay Area that have the biggest populations. Red areas would be Central Valley, the northern counties and eastern suburbs of Sacramento. Orange County, where I grew up and where my sister still lives, was always Red until the last couple of election cycles. You can chalk that up to demographic changes, and not only those coming from south of the border. A lot of other ethnic groups who traditionally vote Democrat.

The recent exodus out of California was purely ideological, including myself and several other members of my own family. The numbers of those who migrated out of CA are actually much higher than news reports because they took them from the 2020 census which finalized its tally in May 2020. Most people I know have left since then. There's also been a huge migration within the state with residents leaving the high priced, crime-ridden dysfunctional areas for more politically balanced and well-run cities and counties which also have less expensive housing and offer a more traditional lifestyle for families. The Washington Post did a big article a couple of months ago about this phenomenon.

jdulej 10-14-2021 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Escape Artist (Post 2017443)
I don't know when you last lived in CA, but nothing you said was correct. The Bluest part of the state are the coastal areas, including the cities like L.A. and SF/Bay Area that have the biggest populations. Red areas would be Central Valley, the northern counties and eastern suburbs of Sacramento. Orange County, where I grew up and where my sister still lives, was always Red until the last couple of election cycles. You can chalk that up to demographic changes, and not only those coming from south of the border. A lot of other ethnic groups who traditionally vote Democrat.

The recent exodus out of California was purely ideological, including myself and several other members of my own family. The numbers of those who migrated out of CA are actually much higher than news reports because they took them from the 2020 census which finalized its tally in May 2020. Most people I know have left since then. There's also been a huge migration within the state with residents leaving the high priced, crime-ridden dysfunctional areas for more politically balanced and well-run cities and counties which also have less expensive housing and offer a more traditional lifestyle for families. The Washington Post did a big article a couple of months ago about this phenomenon.

Orange county and San Diego are examples of large population centers that were reliably red in the recent past

fishon 10-14-2021 12:37 PM

All of the folks that use landscapers are going to be screaming when they get their bill after the switch is made to electric tools.
Any tool or multiple tools that can operate 8 or 9 hours a day will be very costly.
Can you guess who will be paying for them?

jdulej 10-14-2021 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jdulej (Post 2017446)
Orange county and San Diego are examples of large population centers that were reliably red in the recent past

I was in a hurry and answered this too quickly, given the thoughtful reply to my original comment.

I grew up and spent the first 64 years of my 71 years in Northern California. In the SF Bay Area for 50 of them, the Sierra Nevada Foothills after that. We thought of Southern California as another state, it was so different. And, they rooted for the Dodgers, which is pretty much unforgivable.
I know many people, both family and work related, who left California for more affordable areas or because they were transferred, but I can honestly say I do not know anyone who left because of a perceived liberalization of the populace or an invasion from Mexico, or too many homeless, or crazy rules cooked up by the state government, etc. And, regardless of where we lived, I always worked in downtown SF, so I know about the homeless situation at least up to 2014 or so.
Southern California went through a bigger transition in turning blue, but I contend that it was the hard, hard right turn of the Right more than (or at least as much as) the left turn of the Left. I could be wrong - I did not live there, It's just my observations.

Escape Artist 10-14-2021 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jdulej (Post 2017472)
I was in a hurry and answered this too quickly, given the thoughtful reply to my original comment.

I grew up and spent the first 64 years of my 71 years in Northern California. In the SF Bay Area for 50 of them, the Sierra Nevada Foothills after that. We thought of Southern California as another state, it was so different. And, they rooted for the Dodgers, which is pretty much unforgivable.
I know many people, both family and work related, who left California for more affordable areas or because they were transferred, but I can honestly say I do not know anyone who left because of a perceived liberalization of the populace or an invasion from Mexico, or too many homeless, or crazy rules cooked up by the state government, etc. And, regardless of where we lived, I always worked in downtown SF, so I know about the homeless situation at least up to 2014 or so.
Southern California went through a bigger transition in turning blue, but I contend that it was the hard, hard right turn of the Right more than (or at least as much as) the left turn of the Left. I could be wrong - I did not live there, It's just my observations.

I lived in both So Cal and Nor Cal and have seen many changes both places. Initially, the first big migration out of California started in the late 1990's/early 2000's when home prices started to really go up, culminating in the real estate crash of 2008. People were moving to Texas, Idaho, Arizona, Nevada, Oregon (until it became too much like CA) even Tennessee and the Carolinas. Some didn't like the political direction it was headed, regardless of who was governor, because of the encroaching burden of regulation and accompanying taxes and fees, which can be considerable. Others wanted more house/land for their money, although in places like TX property taxes are higher than CA.

So Cal began to shift blue in the past 20 years or more. It's from demographic changes taking place over that time period ranging from conservative-minded people leaving the state, to older voters (mostly white) who were the Reaganites and John Birch types passing away and being replaced by younger voters who had different life experiences, were more likely to be college educated and liberal/open minded about societal changes, and also an big influx of immigrants, legal or not. The statistics bear this out - "people of color" now are the majority .

Not only were some Hispanics becoming citizens under the various amnesty programs, and then could vote, but their kids that born here were automatically American citizens, so it's not so much those who come here legally or illegally, as they may never attain citizenship, it's the generations that follow. The future is what demographic changes are all about. Also, So Cal has a large population of Vietnamese/Asian (except for Koreans who tend to vote GOP) and Middle Eastern/Muslims and they are Democrat voters.

And that's your Sociology 101 lesson for today :icon_wink: :laugh:

frose 10-14-2021 06:48 PM

yea let's go electric.. wait until you see what that costs.....

fdpaq0580 10-14-2021 10:02 PM

My solar powered car.
 
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Originally Posted by frose (Post 2017557)
yea let's go electric.. wait until you see what that costs.....

Solar powered engine for smooth and silent driving. Solar powered heat when it's cold. Solar powered air conditioning for when it's hot. And solar powered headlights for driving at night.

camaguey48 10-15-2021 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kelevision (Post 2016264)
I LOVE California!!! Left Florida in ‘93 for southern CA. It’s still my home as well as TV. You can’t beat the weather in SoCal.

We are so, so happy you left.

Bay Kid 10-15-2021 07:16 AM

Can't wait to see solar planes.

frose 10-15-2021 06:55 PM

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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2017592)
Solar powered engine for smooth and silent driving. Solar powered heat when it's cold. Solar powered air conditioning for when it's hot. And solar powered headlights for driving at night.

and a 200 mile range.. I should by 2 or more.. ridiculous

Love2Swim 10-16-2021 05:14 AM

Studies indicate the major reasons people leave California are absurd housing costs, and very high taxes. Add to that wildfires, high traffic volumes and congestion and earthquakes.

stan the man 10-16-2021 09:30 AM

I don't live in California -

fdpaq0580 10-16-2021 10:51 AM

Solar Impulse 2
 
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Originally Posted by Bay Kid (Post 2017666)
Can't wait to see solar planes.

While my post about my solar car was tongue in cheek, the truth is Solar Impulse 2 (a plane) made a trip around the world back in 2016. It CAN be done, but not practical yet. Seldom, if ever, is new tech practical in its infancy. But, maybe, someday there will be a practical application.


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