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Question Can you separate a man from his music?

Are the works of a man like Michael Jackson-- accused of abhorrent actions with kids-- still worthwhile on their own? Or should we throw away the music because of those allegations?

How about others accused? Woody Allen? Harvey Weinstein? Kevin Spacey? Dustin Hoffman? Fatty Arbuckle? Roscoe Arbuckle - Wikipedia

I won't listen to Michael Jackson's music anymore. But I'll still watch Woody Allen's movies. Here's why.

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I had to laugh at Fatty Arbuckle. First off because I have never heard the name, and it's funny. Secondly because he's been dead for 86 years!
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I had to laugh at Fatty Arbuckle. First off because I have never heard the name, and it's funny. Secondly because he's been dead for 86 years!
He lost everything for quite some time because of what look like they were false accusations of rape and murder. Restoring Fatty Arbuckle's Tarnished Reputation at MoMa - The New York Times

Lawyers brought him up often when I was on Findlaw back in the 2000s for what can go very wrong with accusations not really based on facts.

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WHEN Roscoe (Fatty) Arbuckle checked into the St. Francis Hotel in San Francisco for a Labor Day weekend of rest and recreation in September 1921, he was one of the most celebrated and beloved comedians in America. One week later, he was a pariah. On Sept. 11, Arbuckle was arrested for the rape and murder of Virginia Rappé, a 28-year-old actress who passed out during a party in Arbuckle's suite and died a few days later of peritonitis.
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He lost everything for quite some time because of what look like they were false accusations of rape and murder.

Lawyers brought him up often when I was on Findlaw back in the 2000s for what can go very wrong with accusations not really based on facts.
Interesting case for sure. I just finished reading about it.
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A question about can you separate the person from their art. How is one able to enjoy a person’s artistic creation in any form if you think that this person was evil?
Is it not condoning the in-life deranged acts of the artist by ignoring their behavior? For me, I can’t do it.
I am not ignoring their behavior or the accusations of that behavior but am focusing on something that they usually created with hundreds of other people. Each film made often involves hundreds if not thousands of people as do many recorded songs.

It is like throwing many babies out with the bath water.

Michael Jackson - Thriller (Official Music Video) - YouTube There were probably many people involved with making, distributing and marketing Michael Jackson's Thriller.
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I believe the Christian response to this conundrum is "love the sinner; hate the sin." Not sure I agree with that, but I'm not Christian so it doesn't really matter.
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And then we go to "judge not, lest ye be judged" and "let he without sin cast the first stone" and so on and so forth. I'm not Christian and don't buy any of this horsepucky but I know a lot of people here are. But they also seem to be the people who will cause entire organizations and film crews and actors and media employees to lose their jobs, all because ONE person they don't like, did something they didn't approve of. Just seems very hypocritical to me.
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Seems many people have easily been able to separate works from behavior in the case of Tiger Woods. In Tiger's case it went beyond accusations. But then again many people are still making money riding his coattails.
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Seems many people have easily been able to separate works from behavior in the case of Tiger Woods. In Tiger's case it went beyond accusations. But then again many people are still making money riding his coattails.
Yup.
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Are the works of a man like Michael Jackson-- accused of abhorrent actions with kids-- still worthwhile on their own? Or should we throw away the music because of those allegations?

It depends! In this case, I've already made my feeling known. Some people deserve a second chance some don't. It depends but not in the case you mention. I don't think there is any daylight on how I should handle or think about this. But I shouldn't tell you how to handle it. Can you imagine if he went to jail instead of passing away? Karma boy, it's a powerful thing!
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Seems many people have easily been able to separate works from behavior in the case of Tiger Woods. In Tiger's case it went beyond accusations. But then again many people are still making money riding his coattails.
Woods cheated on his wife with a lot of various women and seemed to have quite an addiction to sex.

Not sure how I see any real evil in that. He was a very rotten husband. There are many of those around.

And he is not the role model for kids that many thought he was.
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