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Can’t steer a ship – our 7th Fleet
I can’t believe what I am reading in these articles about recent US Navy accidents and the loss of 17 sailors. Basic skill sets such as steering a ship have been eroded that far? I now know that it was our Navy’s fault in these collisions. Sure hope things turn around soon before more lives are lost.
Navy finds deep-rooted failures led to fatal collisions Sailors driving the McCain were not qualified to be on watch, Navy says |
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Possible it had anything to do with the Fat Leonard scandal? Too many ships in a channel, etc?
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Is it possible that the permissive attitude and watering down of expectations, nobody fails, everybody is equal is manifesting itself in our services?
I know from talking to drill/gunny sergeants at Parris Island it is very prevalent there, hence all services. Not allowed to discipline, expectations are watered down, etc, etc......compared to pre permissive America. Just a thought. |
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Current policies terrify me. Whether it is the armed services, police or medical schools, admission and hiring criteria have been eviscerated. People get onboard (please excuse the pun) who are underquailified, incapable and uncommitted to professionalism.
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Since you served, what are your thoughts on how this could happen???............I have no basis for an understanding, I find it shocking and very sad. Just interested in your view from an intelligent prospective.
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It's been going on a lot longer than most realize. I saw it in the 80's when I was an instructor in the Navy at the Nuclear Power Training Unit in Ballston Spa NY, we were told to be "pumps not filters". The Navy Nuclear Power Program at that time had a 60+% pipeline attrition rate for the Nuc program, by design, it was supposed to be hard, they wanted only the best in the program operating the reactors in the fleet. The powers that be wanted to lower the number to <30% so we were told to be "pumps not filters" for the students and let the fleet worry about weeding out those who couldn't cut it. I don't know a single instructor at the time who took that direction to heart, we all knew that we would be returning to the fleet and would see these guys again, no thanks, the filters stayed on. We received students out of Nuclear Power School in Orlando that should have never made it to NPTU. Every instructor got two or three students in every class to be a mentor to in addition to their normal instructor duties. One of my charges come out of NPS with a 2.48 GPA, minimum passing grade is 2.50. He didn't have the academic skills to make it through the program and eventually failed his final oral board, twice. The filters worked. Before retiring from the Navy in '99 I had guys reporting to my division on the ship that were of questionable abilities. These guys were intelligent by most standards but by Nuc program standards were a box of rocks. There was a lot of "hand holding" to be done and we had to make them "feel valued" when they came on board. We had to "make them feel motivated" to do their job, a load of crap. They signed an enlistment contract, they get a paycheck twice a month, they're told to do it, motivation complete. It's the military not summer camp, you don't do your job, people die. What happened on these two ships can be boiled down to three things, poor leadership, poor watch standing practices, and too much reliance on technology. Watch for the results of the investigations, you'll see all three listed as root causes. |
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The cockpit automation has to equal that of a modern day airliner....auto settings, auto alarms, anti collision, etc, etc. Having said what I said in a previous post in this thread, given the sophistication of the cruise/navigation/mitigation systems there just has to be more to the story than is being released for public consumption. |
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I just can't wrap my head around these events. There are hero's we loss. |
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We have been at war almost constantly since 9/11. Ships are sent out on more frequent and longer deployments. It's hard to keep your edge and focus if you're always on alert. This can lead to fatigue which will lead to low morale. If the commanders can't find a way to keep sailors motivated and engaged then accidents happen. Then there are more systemic problems such as training and recruiting. With a robust economy all of the services are in competition with private industry for manpower. Look at what the Air Force just did to try to shore up the pilot shortage. I don't think there is any one reason these collisions took place. I think it's more of a stacking of several factors. Then again I served in the Marines. What do I know about the Navy.. lol
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I am not promoting censorship, however, I don’t think it is necessary to report and repost everything you hear, read or think. All of our enemies now know even more vulnerabilities. For what? To make our current administration look stupid? To loosely quote an old Twilight Zone episode: as long as there is man, there can be no peace.
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