really, funny how we all seem to read what we want to see.
How is the Peak Oil theory is based on anything to do with Climate change and Climatologists?
The closest you can come is that Geophysicists are also scientists, so they are all wrong all the time (Dark Ages v2.0 theory)
This is actually about climate change. But a couple of points need clarifying:
No Climatologist working in that field said an ICE AGE would start in 10 years. Didn't happen. I was not going to take my time previously to dispute every one of these, but you brought it up as if there was anything here.
At the time, the early models predicted that in 10 to 20 years, we could reach what is called a tipping point in CO2 pollution. That means that we would reach a point where it would be too late to do anything to stop the progress. NO ONE said it would be an ice age. They said unless steps were taken, we would reach a point where an Ice Age would be
UNSTOPPABLE. Remember that word; it will come up again below. At no point did they say how long it would take for the Ice Age to begin or how long it would last - there were a few "guesses," but even those predicted a long time - centuries.
Two things happened.
One of the models got better, and
Second, countries took actions that slowed down the problem. By 1987 enough countries were taking action that they formed what was called the Montreal Protocol. Which did not directly address climate change but formed a protocol for how they could work together to fix environmental issues - which are at the base of climate change.
So change began, not enough changes to fix the problem, but enough to slow it down a very small amount. A small change over ten years adds up. Combine more data and better models, and you get better theories that make better predictions.
At this point, the models agree that we have passed the predicted tipping point - i.e., the causes have reached the point that an ice age is now UNSTOPPABLE
with current technology. The focus at this point is to slow the onset of the Ice Age long enough that scientists can find a method to stop or reverse the damage. Or to give God enough time to fix it for us - take your pick.
I don't want to go deep into this one; it is close to true, but not exactly; if you actually care, here is a document on what happened and why:
Scientists didn’t announce impending environmental catastrophes every decade since the 1970s
But I understand any scientist is wrong; they must all be wrong.
Another one. I know nothing I say will matter.
This is also based on an exaggeration of what was said, it is covered in the document linked above if you want to know, as opposed to just saying scientists are always wrong - I know, Dark Age v2.0.
Really? Oh, wait, what happened - Do you remember more big government regulations forcing worthless expensive regulations on us that made companies quit using Fluorocarbons, and the ozone cloud stopped shrinking? Darn, another win for the scientists.
You know those climate scientists that are always wrong, despite the apprentice scientist at NASA with NO training or experience that denies it all...
This is also wrong. The prediction of ice caps (actually ice sheets) melting was made in 1968. It was debated for a long time among scientists, few accepted the idea, back then:
It took a while for the idea to take hold. Advanced numerical ice-sheet models developed in the late 1980s tended to downplay the risk of rapid ice loss from western Antarctica, and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change suggested in its 1995 report that Antarctica as a whole was stable. But evidence to the contrary mounted: the massive Larsen A and B ice shelves collapsed in 1995 and 2002, respectively, followed by a major rift in Larsen C in 2017. In 2014, a team of scientists declared that the loss of ice in the Amundsen Sea Embayment had accelerated and appeared “unstoppable”.
But still no consensus. Until around 2014. And even then, no date was assigned, only that it had progressed until it was not expected to be
stoppable.
Here is the entire article in Nature magazine:
The scientist who predicted ice-sheet collapse — 50 years ago
So, thank you for proving my point. Most of that post was just plain wrong. Most were based on some truth, but they all said "WILL" and left off the "UNLESS:. See, scientists did just yell, end of the world; they yelled, "End of the World unless we prevent a nuclear holocaust. See the word "UNLESS." It kind of puts a different spin on what the scientists said/said. And gee, let's look back again briefly at what happened in every case where actions were taken, and the bad things were averted.
I was passing on this post because these are "memories" and provided NO actual documentation. Having been diagnosed with CRS (Can't Remember **** - the medical description is I am having difficulty forming long-term memories, more so than is normal for our age), I completely relate to misremembering things.
But, you wanted to throw it up as a definitive argument that scientists around the world are making the entire thing up so they can get free money, or they are just stupid, or politicians are forcing them to lie - or whatever the mole is that it popping its head up this week.,
I would LOVE to actually debate some actual data with anyone that actually believes this is all nonsense. But without exception, it hasn't happened. Lots of opinions, but not a post that I can remember with actual non-disputable facts or even a reasonable theory. And when someone does post something close to that, even if it is an opinion and not fact, and I do respond politely with comments to their post, it is just ignored, and more "The shots destroy your immune system" type posts follow.
