In 2016, valid polls, indicated Hillary Clinton would win the election. So much for the value of polls.

POLLS, As my statistics prof once said "Tell me what you want to prove and I will get you the statistics to prove it."

All polls should be taken with a grain of salt. The polls are never shown with the questions asked, the data on the persons polled, etc.

One thing is certain. We are born, we live, we die. Just a matter of time. The middle part is where we should concentrate our energies. You can live in a cell cut off from human interaction, or risk your life and LIVE. The choice is yours. I prefer to live, whether it is for a day or for years. I find it more satisfying than cowering in my room. That is not living. That is existing. Too many people are succumbing to the siren song of the all powerful government. How is that working for the Chinese, Russian, and Venezuelan people. If people want to climb a mountain with their bare hands and risk their life, does the government stop them? Do we stop people from jumping out of airplanes? Walking a tightrope between skyscrapers?
Let's be real people, stop trying to run other peoples lives. Just remember that all the diseases known to man are still around. Do you want to worry about that? Take all the precautions you want for your own health and safety. You worry about you. I will worry about me.

If you're quarantined you can still get in your own car and go to your own vacant lot!!!!!!!¡¡!!!!!!

what is your definition of quarantine?

Uh, no. Quarantined means just that. Stay in your home and do not go out until cleared.

I say on June 1st open up the country and let the people practice everything we have been taught to be safe. If you want to stay home because of your age, health, etc that is very understandable. The people who want to go out and mingle at their own peril with all the rest then that is the path they have chosen.

I believe the problem was, HE INTERACTED WITH A STRANGER.

I took hydroxychloroquine for two years and didn't have any side effects.

According to his wife's blog, he still had a fever on the day of altercation with a biker at the lot he owned.

CDC guidelines:

Persons with COVID-19 who have symptoms and were directed to care for themselves at home may discontinue isolation under the following conditions:
At least 3 days (72 hours) have passed since recovery defined as resolution of fever

Besides, traveling with two women and 3 kids to a lot you own 30 miles from home would definitely be called non essential travel even if you had no symptoms.

Facts?
 

I don't know why you state facts. Do you really think the opposing population cares about facts? They only believe what's in it for them. It's like I use to say, "Who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes"?

Power
 

“Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man’s character, give him power”. Abraham Lincoln

Really
 

Obviously you are not listening to Cuomo lately. He now blames those deaths on the president. I'm sure at least 50% of the population will stand behind that BS. He should have finished that statement with - who you gonna believe, me or your lying eyes.

Update
 

If Abe was alive today and saw our wonderful political system he would have probably updated that statement to say "lack of character".

In this situation To Me it's more valid then what the Fake Media put out for me to believe.. :ho:

If one is concerned about the reopening, then stay at home. Its simple, each individual can make their own decision. The only ones that can't are dependent on others for their care. In that case, the most extreme action is probably the best decision.

He was in another town where he has a new home being built, maybe that's the yard your talking about that still does not have any grass growing on it....

For those who are constitutionally incapable of viewing absolutely anything in the universe without fabricating a political context around it, this post is not for you.

For everyone else, apply the ‘KISS Principle’ (that is, ‘Keep It Simple...’). Be as prepared as we can be, allow the economy to reopen—and then people who know their health factors, if any, and the risks can decide for themselves—go out or continue to remain at home. It couldn’t be much simpler....

See Post #51

He traveled from his home to a lot 30 miles away, with his wife, another woman, and three kids. They didn't walk there. His wife's blog states he had a fever that day. So he blew off CDC quarantine rules in several ways. His wife and one of his kids have tested positive for covid 19.

This is trivial?

It's so obvious you only get news from outfits like CNN. For all you know, from their reporting, Chris Cuomo emerged from his heroic basement quarantine on live TV. There is a police report the biker filed after altercation with Chris. His wife's blog details his sickeness, fever, treatments etc. And the biker is a democrat who voted for Governor Cuomo. CDC quarantine guidelines are very clear for those who are infected.

And there are many other examples of "Quarantine for thee, NOT for me!" NYC Mayor, Chicago Mayor, DC VIPs, etc. Fredo got caught, period! And, as far as the poll, many people are also under the impression that we can keep everything shut down, and they'll just sit and collect money from the govt. Ask them the same question(s), and state that the funds are ending? Which is what's going to happen. I'll bet you'll get a different response?!

Yes but, how about following the opening up guidelines set buy the guy at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. following numbers, safely and slowly with testing testing testing to find “hotspots” then track & isolate. POTUS needs to follow his own advice, not like someone said, “do as I say not as I do” (lead by example). He needs to condemn confederate flag waving gun toting protesters (that has NOTHING to do with what’s going on).

OPEN IT UP, but put the stars & bars and guns away for the KKK meetings.

I have a need for some Happy Hour

I get my information from a plethora of sources, then put weight to them based on further research...and their overall objectivity.

Second to last on my list, is what basically amounts to 'State News' (last being the extreme fringes/conspiracy driven outlets)...like any dictatorship's (or wannabe dictators) try to establish.

The success in my professional life, was in a large part based on finding as many subordinates smarter than myself and then encouraging (and rewarding) them to make a case...that might be contrary to my initial viewpoint.

When responsible for hundreds of subordinates, the safety of customers and around $100M yearly of expense & capital budgets...facts/integrity/honesty/ethics mattered.

It also has never even occurred to me to demand absolute fealty, or to refuse (at every level) to ever admit making a mistake...or the chance of being seen as less than perfect. :ohdear:

That would take such a massive insecurity, that for me personally...is impossible to even fathom. :oops:

History is replete with examples of what happens when surrounding oneself with only "yes people" and then expending an enormous amount of effort trying to discredit those who actually are interested in/discover facts and the truth...that might be embarrassing or are contrary to the obedient, fanatical herd.

Just think of what could be accomplished, if even half of the effort now currently spent constantly trying to avoid personal responsibility and always looking to blame others...and put it towards solving the ever-increasing gaping maw between the have's and have nots. :ho:

What's all that have to do with the fact that Chris Cuomo, on a day he still had symptoms, violated CDC guidelines by driving 30 miles with two women and three kids to visit a lot he owns?

As far as I know, CNN did not report this story, but they did stage Chris emerging from quarantine on live tv a few days later.

Thank you. I think this is key. Numbers in those "polls" may be inflated because some people want to stay home and collect unemployment that in some cases is more than they were earning on the job.

That's why it's called fake news. :popcorn:

You are forgetting your earlier comments in this thread, in which you appeared to be unaware of the facts.

Exactly.

The whole purpose of being quarantined is to ensure...that you do not interact with others.

Staying in your own vehicle and not interacting with anyone else, completely fits with both the letter and the spirit...of quarantining

I recall that being in his own yard...not traveling in his automobile.

So Cuomo traveled in a car with his wife, another woman, and three kids while still running a fever, a trip which probably took an hour each way. The yard wasn't at his home, it was a lot where he has another house under construction. They definitely traveled in a car, and he definitely "interacted with others" and most certainly did not abide by "both the letter and spirit of quarantining"

Care to try again?

That’s a joke, polls are only another means of lying to the American public by the way they are structured. They are a complete joke and if you believe them that your problem.

He traveled from his RESIDENCE to a lot he was building a new home. Perhaps you got your information from MSM which is often wrong.

""I'm not staying home for your grandmother. She can continue to stay home if she’s high risk, but the rest of us need to get on with our lives." It will not be very long life is she cannot get food, drink and banking. This seems very self-centered to me.:duck: :boom:

Grandma can do everything online. Or if she needs to venture out, the CDC guidelines that she follows should keep her safe. That's what they're for. And she can avoid people that are ignoring the guidelines.

I think the "self-centered" aspect is the other way around, in my opinion. As I said:

Me, I'm "high risk" myself because I'm over 60 and have a history of asthma. But I'm not so selfish as to demand the country stay at a standstill just to protect me. I can follow the guidelines and protect myself even with a reopened economy. And I can choose to continue to stay home with or without a reopened economy. The idea of wanting the world to stop just to protect me does not appeal to me in the least.

And worse case scenario, if I follow the guidelines and die from the slight chance of getting Covid-19 anyway, oh well, we all have to go sometime. My family and friends are going to have to get used to the idea of me not being around at some point anyway. At least my conscience will be clear that I didn't ask the world to stop for me and cause people to lose their jobs and businesses.

I take a risk getting behind the wheel of a car. I risk being hospitalized or dying by taking over the counter medications as directed. I'm willing to take a risk with this virus if it means getting our freedom back.

You weren’t staying at home for grandmother. You were staying at home for yourself. You (at whatever age) can die from this virus too.

That being said, we do need the economy to open, smartly with monitoring. We need our future way of life. Not to go back to what it was, backwards is not the direction we want to go. But forwards. I am excited to see how we’re going to do that, and how much better than before.

You do know the ship came to NYC to take non COVID-19 patients out of hospitals to free up COVID resources, right??

one week after the hospital ship docked in NYC

@NYGovCuomo


#BREAKING: I spoke to the president and he has agreed to our request to treat #COVID patients on the USNS Comfort.

This means 1,000 additional beds staffed by federal personnel.

This will provide much-needed relief to our over stressed hospital systems
5:29 PM · Apr 6, 2020

Need validity
 

This would be a lot more valid if it showed deaths related to flue or Covid 19.

Why is an illness a left or right thing anyway? I don't ever remember H1Ni or Ebola being a right or left issue.