[tuccillo]

You are probably not a candidate for an electric vehicle unless you are willing to take 20 minute recharging breaks every couple of hours.

Originally Posted by JMintzer

So far this year? 8 times...

[Ben Franklin]

Originally Posted by JMintzer

When is the government going to stop subsidizing 1/2 the cost of EVs?

Talk about tax breaks for the wealthy...

As soon as they stop subsidizing the oil and gas industry that's been going on for eons. A conservative estimate from Oil Change International puts the U.S. total at around $20.5 billion annually, including $14.7 billion in federal subsidies and $5.8 billion in state-level incentives.

[MSchad]

Saw a question posed the other day: As electric vehicle sales/use increases, how are all those batteries safely disposed of when they all start going bad?

[Ben Franklin]

Originally Posted by MSchad

Saw a question posed the other day: As electric vehicle sales/use increases, how are all those batteries safely disposed of when they all start going bad?

Probably the same thing they did with the thousands of millions and millions and millions of batteries from old cars, until they will come up with a solution.

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

1/2 the cost? Do you have a reference for that?

My bad, it's "only" 1/3 of the cost (on the lower priced EVs)...

U.S. Senate panel advances EV tax credit of up to $12,500

And that's just to the consumer. It doesn't count the tax breaks to the manufacturer...

[tuccillo]

Sustainability | Tesla

Who Knew? A Car Battery Is the World's Most Recycled Product

The same issue exists for all of the lead-acid batteries from gas cars. Recycling of lead-acid batteries is a well developed process. Close to 100% of a lead-acid battery is recycled. I think it is safe to assume that the infrastructure to recycle the lithium-ion batteries in EVs (and subsequent other battery technologies) will scale up as sales scale up.

Originally Posted by MSchad

Saw a question posed the other day: As electric vehicle sales/use increases, how are all those batteries safely disposed of when they all start going bad?

[tuccillo]

That is possibly in the future but doesn't exist right now. Your post indicated that you believe that they are currently being subsidized. Also, the $12,500 proposal is only for cars made in union shops so it would exclude the largest EV maker in the US: Tesla. The proposal is for $10,000 for Teslas - not anywhere near 1/2 the cost. Again, possibly in the future. Currently, there are no Federal tax credits for cars from Tesla and GM. Please provide a reference to show that 1/2 is subsidized currently.

Originally Posted by JMintzer

U.S. Senate panel advances EV tax credit of up to $12,500

And that's just to the consumer. It doesn't count the tax breaks to the manufacturer...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Sustainability | Tesla

Who Knew? A Car Battery Is the World's Most Recycled Product

The same issue exists for all of the lead-acid batteries from gas cars. Recycling of lead-acid batteries is a well developed process. Close to 100% of a lead-acid battery is recycled. I think it is safe to assume that the infrastructure to recycle the lithium-ion batteries in EVs (and subsequent other battery technologies) will scale up as sales scale up.

You're making major assumptions...

[tuccillo]

Such as ...

From Tesla:

Any battery that is no longer meeting a customer’s needs can be serviced by Tesla at one of our service centers around the world. None of our scrapped lithium-ion batteries go to landfilling, and 100% are recycled.

Originally Posted by JMintzer

You're making major assumptions...

[tuccillo]

Again, possibly in the future. Federal tax credit of $7500 currently exists for some manufacturers; not Tesla and GM. That is hardly 1/3 the cost. Most EVs sold today have prices starting around $50K.

Originally Posted by JMintzer

My bad, it's "only" 1/3 of the cost (on the lower priced EVs)...

U.S. Senate panel advances EV tax credit of up to $12,500

And that's just to the consumer. It doesn't count the tax breaks to the manufacturer...

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Such as ...

From Tesla:

Any battery that is no longer meeting a customer’s needs can be serviced by Tesla at one of our service centers around the world. None of our scrapped lithium-ion batteries go to landfilling, and 100% are recycled.

Not true. My their own admission, they freeze much of the components and then crush them into "fluff" (whatever the hell that means), which is dumped into landfills. They -say- it is safe...

What Does Tesla Do With Old Batteries?

[JMintzer]

Originally Posted by tuccillo

Again, possibly in the future. Federal tax credit of $7500 currently exists for some manufacturers; not Tesla and GM. That is hardly 1/3 the cost. Most EVs sold today have prices starting around $50K.

Many are readily available for well under $40K...

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[tuccillo]

Here is what they actually do.

The only material from these batteries that actually goes into a landfill is the modules. These parts are frozen, shredded, and crushed into harmless fluff that can’t contaminate the soil.

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Not true. My their own admission, they freeze much of the components and then crush them into "fluff" (whatever the hell that means), which is dumped into landfills. They -say- it is safe...

What Does Tesla Do With Old Batteries?

[tuccillo]

Yes, some are. Low volume sales. Most, as I already stated, are around $50K. Tesla has most of the sales. Most Teslas start around $50K.

Originally Posted by JMintzer

Many are readily available for well under $40K...

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[retiredguy123]

I'll consider buying an electric vehicle when the Government stops subsidizing them and when more than 50 percent of new vehicle sales are electric. Until then, I won't buy one.