Aha! First migration to the "negative effects" EXCUSE

More bang for the buck if we could hold liable those spreading misinformation and encouraging vaccine hesitancy. It is their message that is resulting in more deaths.

Over 1,400 unvacinated died in FL last week, and still climbing.

Many young adults and children.

It's time for everyone to get on the bus to kill COVID.

In the entire United States - since the onset of Covid - a total of 430 children 0-18 have died from Covid according to the CDC. In that same timeframe more than 70,000 died of other causes.

So, please define “many”…

Modern technology deserves the distinction of being "first".

"One" is too many.

Not buying it, huh?

Some deaths we can prevent, those are needless deaths. That is why it hurts so much.

No...nothing has changed....accountability was and is always a concern and something is wrong if the makers are not being held accountable. This is just the beginning....just wait!

I wouldn't hold my breath :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Wouldn't be laughing if I were you. Do you know if you are one of the 50% whom received only saline?

I think you asked the wrong person.

Where in the world of conspiracies did you come up with that fruitcake idea? Or are you really and truly just trolling?

Sorry, not playing that game. I assume that post just baiting the rest of us, since no one could be that stupid.

So let me get this straight. The 70,000 deaths weren’t preventable - but the 430 were?!?

Most Covid deaths were preventable once we knew how to protect ourselves. Children depend on adults to protect them.

I think it was from this fruitcake government source the FDA.

https://www.fda.gov/media/144413/download


"The safety of Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine was evaluated in participants 12 years of age and older in
two clinical studies conducted in the United States, Europe, Turkey, South Africa, and South America.
Study BNT162-01 (Study 1) was a Phase 1/2, two-part, dose-escalation trial that enrolled 60 participants,
18 through 55 years of age. Study C4591001 (Study 2) is a Phase 1/2/3, multicenter, multinational, randomized,
saline placebo-controlled, observer-blind, dose-finding, vaccine candidate-selection (Phase 1) and efficacy
(Phase 2/3) study that has enrolled approximately 46,000 participants, 12 years of age or older. Of these,
approximately 43,448 participants (21,720 Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine; 21,728 placebo) in Phase 2/3
are 16 years of age or older (including 138 and 145 adolescents 16 and 17 years of age in the vaccine and
placebo groups, respectively) and 2,260 adolescents are 12 through 15 years of age (1,131 and 1,129 in the
vaccine and placebo groups, respectively)."

Not sure how long they continued.........

And how about a vaccine for the vaccine?

Wow....

A drug candidate for treating adverse reactions caused by pathogenic antibodies inducible by COVID-19 virus and vaccines | bioRxivchilout

You really can't be serious. That's the study data---of course there is a placebo control group, that's how you evaluate drugs/vaccines/treatments for approval (or EUA) PRIOR to distribution. They were NOT giving placebo when vaccinating the general public.

This emphasizes the basic problem of the internet----people reading something with no idea what it means but considering themselves an expert. Unbelievable.

Agree. :bigbow:

The trials placebo group was offered to switch to the Vaccine group as soon as it was approved for the general public.

Did you actually read the article including the reference they cited for the adverse effects potentially caused by the vaccine? As far as I can tell, their treatment is for an adverse effect that their citation does not identify. As far as a "vaccine for the vaccine," they have a potential solution in search of a problem.

Point is...Fear Porn. These vaccines are not really going to stop anything...the desired result was not protection from the virus rather keeping one out of the hospital...worked for some and very short lived.

Need a much better solution...that is my whole point.

Then you didn't read the article or any of the supporting material?

Many, in the face of hundreds of thousands of deaths in the US alone, feel that keeping one out of the hospital, and alive, is the definition of protection from the virus.

Spreading misinformation and promoting vaccine hesitancy seems to be your whole point. It doesn't matter if the substance of the articles you post supports the scary title or supports your position; throw enough spaghetti against the wall and maybe something will stick.

Sorry GE, but you're most likely wasting your breath & unnecessarily raising your BP. Several weeks ago, I watched a video* of an interview with (IIRC) a psychologist who explained why conspiracy theories are nearly impossible to disprove; they are basically self-healing. When confronted with a provable fact, the narrative just changes to something like 'well then, what about this (tangent/segue)' or 'we all know that (fill in the blank) has lied to us before, so I don't trust anything they say', etc, etc, etc. Once people have bought into the cult mantra, it's exceptionally difficult to 'deprogram' most of them.

* I should try to find the link to the video, but it really doesn't matter...

I have always said if one wants to take the vaccine go for it......I support individual choice in the matter and I am not vaccine hesitant.....safety first is my concern. There still is no long term study on this....so I remain.

Are you sure where the conspiracy is coming from???? Most likely not, one would suspect. The science seems split 50/50 on this so if ignoring one side is ok with you then do so....also my position has been the same all along.

Please don't perpetuate this misinformation. That is so wrong on every level to do that.

Why do you say that? From where I sit, most of the hospitalized and dying are still
un-vaccinated. Unless.......something has changed since this morning that I don't know about.

And yet you are continuously very vocal about your doubts about the vaccine. As been said uncounted times before, there simply was no time for a years-long study of a vaccine for a pandemic from a novel virus. The science is NOT new, field test WERE done & still pot-stirrers rile up their audiences, often with little more than opinions.

50/50??? That sounds like the exact same split consensus on smoking causing cancer, global warming, JFK's assassination, the faked moon landing, flat earth... :ohdear:

I realize no one can convince a true believer of that nonsense. But there may be people on the fence that could see the light of reason.

Well put! Have relatives brainwashed by cult took decades to undo it.

The Science/Physicians are more like 95/5...

So, what do these results from three mid size Florida hospitals tell you?

It tells the conspiracy theorists and the anti-vaxxers absolutely nothing. And they would appreciate it if you stopped trying to confuse them with the facts!

Ok, boosters will be 2 to 3 times a year at the rate the vaccine wanes.
Since they are working on multiple therapeutics (which the Phizer vaccine has been referred as), that would be the preferred method.

And where did you glean that little (unsubstantiated) tidbit?????

More real world data.

SARS-CoV-2 Infections and Hospitalizations Among Persons Aged ≥16 Years, by Vaccination Status — Los Angeles County, California, May 1–July 25, 2021

SARS-CoV-2 Infections and Hospitalizations Among Persons Aged ≥16 Years, by Vaccination Status — Los Angeles County, California, May 1–July 25, 2021 | MMWR


Summary
What is already known about this topic?
Although COVID-19 vaccines are highly effective, some fully vaccinated persons will be infected with SARS-CoV-2.
What is added by this report?
During May 1–July 25, 2021, among 43,127 SARS-CoV-2 infections in residents of Los Angeles County, California,
10,895 (25.3%) were in fully vaccinated persons, 1,431 (3.3%) were in partially vaccinated persons, and 30,801 (71.4%) were in unvaccinated persons. On July 25, infection and hospitalization rates among unvaccinated persons were 4.9 and 29.2 times, respectively, those in fully vaccinated persons. In July, when
the Delta variant was predominant, cycle threshold values were similar for unvaccinated, partially vaccinated, and vaccinated persons.
What are the implications for public health practice?
Efforts to enhance COVID-19 vaccination coverage, in coordina- tion with other prevention strategies, are critical to preventing COVID-19–related hospitalizations and deaths.

I apologize for my liberalism.

Mind your own business.

My body my choice.

That is not what I heard Dr. Fauci say just two days ago on MSM. He said the booster will give 30 fold protection and there is a very good chance no further boosters will be necessary. But.....who knows????

More conspiracy info from the FDA.

Anyone caring to read up on the BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine Comirnaty (the fully approved vaccine, which is not available yet) and the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine which has not been approved and is still under EUA (Emergency Use Authorization). Take a look at the fact sheets FDA has on the two.

Comirnaty and Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine | FDA

The vaccine known as Phizer-BioNTech:

Will the emergency use authorization (EUA) for Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine remain in effect after the approval?

The EUA will continue to cover adolescents 12 through 15 years of age and the administration of a third dose to certain immunocompromised individuals 12 years of age and older. Additionally, for logistical reasons, the EUA will continue to cover the use of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID 19 Vaccine in individuals 16 years of age and older; this use is also now approved.

How is Comirnaty (COVID-19 VACCINE, mRNA) related to the PFIZER-BIONTECH COVID-19 VACCINE?

The FDA-approved Pfizer-BioNTech product Comirnaty (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) and the FDA-authorized Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine under EUA have the same formulation and can be used interchangeably to provide the COVID-19 vaccination series without presenting any safety or effectiveness concerns. Therefore, providers can use doses distributed under EUA to administer the vaccination series as if the doses were the licensed vaccine. For purposes of administration, doses distributed under the EUA are interchangeable with the licensed doses. The Vaccine Information Fact Sheet for Recipients and Caregivers provides additional information about both the approved and authorized vaccine.


So the approved vaccine from BioNTech is not even available yet. This vaccine maker (BioNTech) will not have liability protection while the Phizer vaccine will still have the liability waived under EUA. Timeline is late 2023?

Seems like alot of legal avoidance going on from the liability aspect of the 2 drugs that are the same.....hmmm

Not sure what to think about this other than CYA.