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Spalumbos62 08-18-2021 08:38 PM
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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 1991108)
Yep, that must be it.
I knew you'd be back:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:


Ok...you guys....seriously, I have a question....now they are saying we need a booster, which I am fine with....but I just got notice from CVS that flu shots will be ready anyday....what do you think? Get both?...just the booster? Any input?

patfla06 08-18-2021 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1991109)
Ok...you guys....seriously, I have a question....now they are saying we need a booster, which I am fine with....but I just got notice from CVS that flu shots will be ready anyday....what do you think? Get both?...just the booster? Any input?
I would find out from my doctor if you need to space out the flu shot from the 3rd vaccine.

golfing eagles 08-19-2021 04:53 AM
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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1991109)
Ok...you guys....seriously, I have a question....now they are saying we need a booster, which I am fine with....but I just got notice from CVS that flu shots will be ready anyday....what do you think? Get both?...just the booster? Any input?
I'll just say this----I never give specific professional advice on this forum. However, personally, I plan to get both shots. Since my 2nd COVID vaccine was 5/3, I don't have to think about it until January, while I'll get the flu shot in September. Other people may have a different time frame.

Altavia 08-19-2021 06:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1991109)
Ok...you guys....seriously, I have a question....now they are saying we need a booster, which I am fine with....but I just got notice from CVS that flu shots will be ready anyday....what do you think? Get both?...just the booster? Any input?
Good question

I was advised by the Doc during the clinical trial to wait 30 days between vaccines.

blueash 08-19-2021 07:52 AM
Originally Posted by jimjamuser View Post
97% of US medical Doctors ARE vaccinated. That is a statement that they are making that I will TRUST.

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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1990892)
NOT TRUE!
You can continue to post this lie, but it’s still NOT TRUE!!
[edited]. jimjamuser has posted something with an easily Googled claim. So I used the Google and found:

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19 | American Medical Association

This is a survey report from early June being done by the AMA of practicing doctors in the USA using the WebMD physician panel. It was not a random survey, it was not Gallup quality. But it is the best data available. You might argue that those physicians who participate in a WebMD panel are better at keeping up to date on new information, or not.

The result of their survey which was 1/2 primary care and 1/2 specialists was that per the press release

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19


So I think, unless you have newer better information with a link, jim's statement looks pretty good. I will allow that over 96% does not mean 97%. It could be 96.1% But being that it was done in early June, the number can only have gone up since then.

In the interest in civility, it would be nice to see someone, just once, come online and apologize for calling someone a [edited].

Altavia 08-19-2021 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1991261)
Originally Posted by jimjamuser View Post
97% of US medical Doctors ARE vaccinated. That is a statement that they are making that I will TRUST.



Swoop, using CAPS doesn't make you right. jimjamuser has posted something with an easily Googled claim. So I used the Google and found:

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19 | American Medical Association

This is a survey report from early June being done by the AMA of practicing doctors in the USA using the WebMD physician panel. It was not a random survey, it was not Gallup quality. But it is the best data available. You might argue that those physicians who participate in a WebMD panel are better at keeping up to date on new information, or not.

The result of their survey which was 1/2 primary care and 1/2 specialists was that per the press release

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19


So I think, unless you have newer better information with a link, jim's statement looks pretty good. I will allow that over 96% does not mean 97%. It could be 96.1% But being that it was done in early June, the number can only have gone up since then.

In the interest in civility, it would be nice to see someone, just once, come online and apologize for calling someone a liar.
Could be some people confuse this with "medical workers" which tends to follow the general population.

Huge Number of Hospital Workers Still Unvaccinated

"An ongoing monthly survey of more than 1.9 million U.S. Facebook users led by researchers at Carnegie Mellon University in Pittsburgh recently looked at vaccine hesitancy by occupation. It revealed a spectrum of hesitancy among health care workers corresponding to income and education, ranging from a low of 9% among pharmacists to highs of 20%-23% among nursing aides and emergency medical technicians. About 12% of registered nurses and doctors admitted to being hesitant to get a shot."

Swoop 08-19-2021 09:48 AM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1991261)
Originally Posted by jimjamuser View Post
97% of US medical Doctors ARE vaccinated. That is a statement that they are making that I will TRUST.



Swoop, using CAPS doesn't make you right. jimjamuser has posted something with an easily Googled claim. So I used the Google and found:

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19 | American Medical Association

This is a survey report from early June being done by the AMA of practicing doctors in the USA using the WebMD physician panel. It was not a random survey, it was not Gallup quality. But it is the best data available. You might argue that those physicians who participate in a WebMD panel are better at keeping up to date on new information, or not.

The result of their survey which was 1/2 primary care and 1/2 specialists was that per the press release

AMA survey shows over 96% of doctors fully vaccinated against COVID-19


So I think, unless you have newer better information with a link, jim's statement looks pretty good. I will allow that over 96% does not mean 97%. It could be 96.1% But being that it was done in early June, the number can only have gone up since then.

In the interest in civility, it would be nice to see someone, just once, come online and apologize for calling someone a liar.
It was a single survey of 301 doctors, hardly representing ALL the doctors in the US…

He has constantly posted saying 97% of all doctors in the US have been vaccinated.

Even the most pro vaccine people on this forum have agreed that a single survey, of only 301 doctors, without explanation of how the survey was taken, can not be given credibility…

newgirl 08-19-2021 11:12 AM
Thank you for stating facts. What is also not being mentioned is that the vaccinated people who catch it are not getting deathly ill, and those that are have serious underlining issues that can not be part of the conversation because of hippa. If a 90 yr old who is vaccinated gets covid and dies of a heart attack, dibeties or other, the death still goes into the covid death numbers not because they died of covid, but had covid when they died.
Wearing a mask costs nothing and makes everyone around you feel safer. Why would anyone not be willing to do such a simple act if you can calm fears of those you interact with. And if you do not choose to get vaccinated and wear a mask, then please pay the full cost of your healthcare because all the people you refuse to wear a mask for, should not have to pay the rising cost of healthcare and insurance because of your selfishness.

LianneMigiano 08-19-2021 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by jswirs (Post 1990657)
Understood. BUT, when these officials make a statement, such as, "If you get vaccinated you do not need to wear a mask", they need to add a disclaimer. Such as "If you get vaccinated you do not need to wear a mask, according to the present information we have. If / when new information comes to light, mask requirements may change".
This is partly the cause of mistrust.
I just tested POSITIVE for COVID on MON - after being sick (like food poisoning would make you feel) all weekend. My husband and I have both had both shots, still wear masks and I go out very little. I thought (when the doctor suggested that I come up but stay in the car) it was rather strange. When they came out with a swab and I provided the sample, they headed inside. We waited. Shortly, they came back out and told me. I WAS SHOCKED. NOW I'M ANGRY ABOUT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE REFUSING TO WEAR MASKS! I want to cry when I think about the school teachers being exposed because of our Governor's ruling. The symptoms of this are awful... I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy...and I'm guessing my symptoms are mild because I've been vaccinated. Please, stop and think of others. The doctor almost put me in the hospital fearing dehydration issues. This thing is NO HOAX - and it's no fun, trust me.

golfing eagles 08-19-2021 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by LianneMigiano (Post 1991510)
I just tested POSITIVE for COVID on MON - after being sick (like food poisoning would make you feel) all weekend. My husband and I have both had both shots, still wear masks and I go out very little. I thought (when the doctor suggested that I come up but stay in the car) it was rather strange. When they came out with a swab and I provided the sample, they headed inside. We waited. Shortly, they came back out and told me. I WAS SHOCKED. NOW I'M ANGRY ABOUT ALL OF THESE PEOPLE REFUSING TO WEAR MASKS! I want to cry when I think about the school teachers being exposed because of our Governor's ruling. The symptoms of this are awful... I wouldn't wish this on my worst enemy...and I'm guessing my symptoms are mild because I've been vaccinated. Please, stop and think of others. The doctor almost put me in the hospital fearing dehydration issues. This thing is NO HOAX - and it's no fun, trust me.
You should be more angry over those that refuse to be vaccinated---that's where the real problem lies.

blueash 08-19-2021 10:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1991390)
It was a single survey of 301 doctors, hardly representing ALL the doctors in the US…

He has constantly posted saying 97% of all doctors in the US have been vaccinated.

Even the most pro vaccine people on this forum have agreed that a single survey, of only 301 doctors, without explanation of how the survey was taken, can not be given credibility…
So your accusation that jim is misleading the reader is based on your not accepting that this survey is definitive. I agree it is a small, non-random, survey. But before you accuse jim of deceiving you need to have data which is different than what he has presented. It would be perfectly reasonable for you to say that the 97% data is questionable. But you did not say that, you wrote what you wrote accusing jim of perfidy.

I will accept the data from the survey as accurate, given the limitations of the survey, until someone can present contrary data. You have not presented contrary data. I suspect based on the body of what you have been posting that you just don't like the result of this survey. as it suggests that people who understand Covid risk and vaccine risk are overwhelmingly getting vaccines.

I can report that I know a large number of practicing physicians. All of them are vaccinated to the best of my knowledge.

golfing eagles 08-20-2021 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1991652)
So your accusation that jim is misleading the reader is based on your not accepting that this survey is definitive. I agree it is a small, non-random, survey. But before you accuse jim of deceiving you need to have data which is different than what he has presented. It would be perfectly reasonable for you to say that the 97% data is questionable. But you did not say that, you wrote what you wrote accusing jim of perfidy.

I will accept the data from the survey as accurate, given the limitations of the survey, until someone can present contrary data. You have not presented contrary data. I suspect based on the body of what you have been posting that you just don't like the result of this survey. as it suggests that people who understand Covid risk and vaccine risk are overwhelmingly getting vaccines.

I can report that I know a large number of practicing physicians. All of them are vaccinated to the best of my knowledge.
And I'll add to that every physician I know, and there are many, have been fully vaccinated.

Swoop 08-20-2021 07:24 AM
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Originally Posted by blueash (Post 1991652)
So your accusation that jim is misleading the reader is based on your not accepting that this survey is definitive. I agree it is a small, non-random, survey. But before you accuse jim of deceiving you need to have data which is different than what he has presented. It would be perfectly reasonable for you to say that the 97% data is questionable. But you did not say that, you wrote what you wrote accusing jim of perfidy.

I will accept the data from the survey as accurate, given the limitations of the survey, until someone can present contrary data. You have not presented contrary data. I suspect based on the body of what you have been posting that you just don't like the result of this survey. as it suggests that people who understand Covid risk and vaccine risk are overwhelmingly getting vaccines.

I can report that I know a large number of practicing physicians. All of them are vaccinated to the best of my knowledge.
Jim does not claim that a small survey of 301 out of roughly 1,000,000 doctors in the US said they had been vaccinated at a 97% rate.
He as repeatedly posted that 97% of ALL doctors in the US are vaccinated.
If I surveyed 30 Villagers and asked them if they drove over 20 mph in their golf cart, and 29 responded that they didn’t. Would you then accept the notion that 97% of ALL Villagers do not drive over 20 mph?

Bill14564 08-20-2021 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Swoop (Post 1991762)
Jim does not claim that a small survey of 301 out of roughly 1,000,000 doctors in the US said they had been vaccinated at a 97% rate.
He as repeatedly posted that 97% of ALL doctors in the US are vaccinated.
If I surveyed 30 Villagers and asked them if they drove over 20 mph in their golf cart, and 29 responded that they didn’t. Would you then accept the notion that 97% of ALL Villagers do not drive over 20 mph?
Absent any other information, yes the results of the survey of 30 Villagers would stand. But I have other information, I have my personal observation. I know I have been passed by golf carts traveling more than 20mph but I also know that I've followed far more that were traveling at or below 20mph. I didn't keep score so I can't come up with an exact ratio but I also cannot deny the 97%.

With the 97% of doctors being vaccinated, again we are not without additional information. There are now two sources of information stating that their observations support the 97% number. Other than a strong desire to disbelieve, what do you have that shows the 97% number is incorrect?

"Well I just don't believe it." Is not evidence, it's an opinion.

John41 08-20-2021 08:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Spalumbos62 (Post 1991109)
Ok...you guys....seriously, I have a question....now they are saying we need a booster, which I am fine with....but I just got notice from CVS that flu shots will be ready anyday....what do you think? Get both?...just the booster? Any input?
We will get both but space them a month or two apart. Also we got a pneumonia shot last Fall.


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