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Velvet 06-02-2023 07:43 AM
I’m not sure who started the idea of sadistic goodness, that there is something holy about suffering, but I don’t think it came from the Creator because all living things try to avoid suffering.

Velvet 06-02-2023 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2222730)
Still waiting for him to "come again in glory". Don't think it will happen. Hasn't happened so far.
My personal understanding of Christianity is that the reason why there are two testaments, is because the old way that is the Jewish way, is very difficult. It is not that it doesn’t work, or that God has changed, it is that for too many people it is hard to do all that is required. To make it easier there was an “amendment” so to speak, allowed, the new testament, where through Christ’s death it became much easier to be cleansed to enter the presence. But one way is not necessarily “better” than the other way.

ThirdOfFive 06-02-2023 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by SusanStCatherine (Post 2222615)
A relative of mine living in Florida was diagnosed with end stage pancreatic cancer. She decided against chemo. Her doctor would not prescribe medical marajuana for some reason and I found this rediculous. Someone obtained and gave her the medical marajuana. She seemed so much more comfortable and even happy on it. She even lived longer than the doctor said she would - don't think he ever knew. Be your own health care advocate, do research, try different things, and don't be afraid to switch doctors.
Yep.

My daughter is a nurse. She knows my end-of-life wishes and I have no doubt that she will see to it that they are followed.

ThirdOfFive 06-02-2023 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Velvet (Post 2222817)
I’m not sure who started the idea of sadistic goodness, that there is something holy about suffering, but I don’t think it came from the Creator because all living things try to avoid suffering.
Suffering, from the perspective of Mama Nature, is a good thing. We do whatever we can to avoid or alleviate pain and by so doing we (assumedly) prolong our lives. Just think of what the world would be like if, say, getting toasted to a cinder in a fire felt orgasmically good?

airstreamingypsy 06-02-2023 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 2222730)
Still waiting for him to "come again in glory". Don't think it will happen. Hasn't happened so far.
Don't hold your breath.

airstreamingypsy 06-02-2023 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2222752)
Christians will suffer and endure the pain and be happy to do so. The family of those suffering should be willing to suffer along with the ailing member of the family. God knows how much pain and suffering he wants you to endure. He will take you when he is ready for you. It is not your place to interfere with his timing of your departure. You may pray during your suffering and seek a miracle recovery. God will listen and may grant that miracle if there is sufficient supportive prayer and a compelling request.
Yeah, no. You are welcome to suffer because you believe in something unbelievable.... but please don't make others suffer unnecessarily. 'Christians will suffer and endue the pain and be happy to do so. Family members should be willing to suffer along with the ailing member of the family." I'm sorry, that's demented..... I'm glad I wasn't raised in a family that thought this way.

PugMom 06-02-2023 09:32 AM
it's very easy to speculate, but i promise you won't be able to make that choice until it's staring you in the face. everything looks much different from there.

Sandy and Ed 06-02-2023 10:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Tvflguy (Post 2222324)
A thought came upon me when reading about the apparent recent TV murder and suicide.

As I age, I can perceive a time when an elderly person receives the "terminal" news from docs. And close to "the end point" enduring extreme pain as your body, and perhaps mind, slowly declines.

Provided some serious meds to alleviate some of that pain, but still. And the inevitable continues - many days or weeks with your family watching no quality of LIFE impacting your loved one laying there. Enduring rough emotions and expending $$$$$.

My choice at that point would be an understanding with loved ones that I CHOOSE to determine the time and method of my End when I want to. When there is absolutely NO hope. And possibly "live out" the inevitable in a coma/vegetative state or such. IMO NOT fair to ME or the Family. MY Choice would be a Dignified end of life. Our society endures so much which endangers healthy life. We should have a law that provides for a dignified death within strict regulations. period.

There are several USA states that passed a Bill covering this. Florida, not yet.
Totally agree. Many have no family members to monitor their care in nursing homes. Humane painless death a better way to go. Hell even death row inmates leave this world more humanely than a slow death in a nursing home surrounded by strangers

kimmerlie 06-02-2023 12:13 PM
Retired hospice R.N.
 
Hospice care is comfort care. Most hospice care is done in a person's home.Until you know what good end-of-life looks like you really don't have the knowledge to state "your feelings". If you want to learn I am an exert, on the subject, and give free presentations in The Villages. Please see my website: Spirit Matters - About

Blackbird45 06-03-2023 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by bsloan1960 (Post 2222681)
I'm so sorry for your loss and the painful experiences you endured with your wife's illness.
Thank you I buried my wife yesterday in New York.

Blackbird45 06-03-2023 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Nellmack (Post 2222806)
I'm very sorry for your loss and thanks for sharing. I went through a similar situation and it's not easy.
Thank you I buried my wife yesterday in New York.

Blackbird45 06-03-2023 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by SallyB (Post 2222595)
I am so sorry for your loss.
I agree with you, we should be able to say enough is enough. When a horse breaks its leg, it is put down immediately no matter the value of the horse and yet humans are left to suffer.
Again, I am very sorry about your wife.
Thank you I buried my wife yesterday in New York.

Blueblaze 06-03-2023 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Sandy and Ed (Post 2222873)
Totally agree. Many have no family members to monitor their care in nursing homes. Humane painless death a better way to go. Hell even death row inmates leave this world more humanely than a slow death in a nursing home surrounded by strangers
Yes, but I think we owe it to our descendants to not leave them a world where, three generations from now, "death with dignity" has become "civic duty to die".

The moment we pass a law that gives one doctor the right to help people to die, without protecting another doctor's right to refuse, that's the road we're on.

I'm not willing to sacrifice the world my offspring will inherit for my own personal comfort.

BlueStarAirlines 06-04-2023 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by scooterstang (Post 2222666)
The real big problem is if you do commit suicide then your life insurance is normally voided out.
Typically this is just in the first 1-3 years. I have two term policies and one limits payouts in two years and the other three years. Most people don't plan out suicides more than a year in advance, so once you get past that limitation the death payout is the same regardless of the manner of death.

OrangeBlossomBaby 06-04-2023 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by PersonOfInterest (Post 2222752)
Christians will suffer and endure the pain and be happy to do so. The family of those suffering should be willing to suffer along with the ailing member of the family. God knows how much pain and suffering he wants you to endure. He will take you when he is ready for you. It is not your place to interfere with his timing of your departure. You may pray during your suffering and seek a miracle recovery. God will listen and may grant that miracle if there is sufficient supportive prayer and a compelling request.
Your god has already granted you a miracle. He gave humans the minds with which they could develop science, and remedies, and relief of pain, in addition to all that he provided through nature's bounty. He gave humans the decision-making processes necessary to determine whether or not they should be forced to endure suffering, and the ability to end it whenever they wanted, so long as they were unfettered and physically capable of doing so. And if that wasn't enough, he gave humans opposable thumbs and language, so they would write down or record their wishes, should there come a time when they would want their lives ended but be physically incapable of carrying out their decisions on their own.

You choose to ignore all that god has given you, in exchange for something you read in a book that may or may not have been written by anyone sane, over 1500 years ago.

Enjoy your suffering. When the time comes, if I feel I can't endure any more. I'll ask to be released from life.


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