Originally Posted by AutoBike (Post 717413)

What state does your daughter live in? I can assure you that here in MI, teachers will tell you that the biggest benefit they get for being a teacher is June, July and August.

Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 715790)

As I stated in my original post the market primarily determines job salaries in a community. Of course unions skew market development.

What I had learned in Human Resources is that every employee at every level believes they are under paid, Every employee survey comes back with that same perception. also compensation the biggest factor until you starting asking about benefit working conditions.

What people must remember is that they choose their means of making a living.

Originally Posted by buggyone (Post 715065)

I recently added to a thread that the starting salary for a Sumter County sheriff deputy was about $42,900 plus benefits. A couple of other posters thought this seemed low for a starting salary.

What do you think would be a fair starting salary for such a job in this part of Florida?

Originally Posted by AutoBike (Post 718594)

My kids went to a "Blue Ribbon School" and even there some of the old-timers used mimeographed papers. The equipment hasn't even existed in the last 20 years or more. How much perfecting do you think those teachers were doing over the summer?

Originally Posted by AutoBike (Post 715759)

Teacher unions are powerful up north. And they don't give a damn about the students.

“When school children start paying union dues, that 's when I'll start representing the interests of school children.”

Albert Shanker, President of the Teachers Union (United Federation of Teachers) from 1964 to 1984 as well as President of the Teachers Union (American Federation of Teachers) from 1974 to 1997.

Originally Posted by logdog (Post 718699)

Starting salary in the military is currently just under $20,400 per year plus benefits.
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Originally Posted by AutoBike (Post 717413)

What state does your daughter live in? I can assure you that here in MI, teachers will tell you that the biggest benefit they get for being a teacher is June, July and August.

Originally Posted by mrfixit (Post 718755)

The 20,400 plus is for non-coms (non-College Grads).

Three of my nephews joined the Military right after Graduating College.

#1. Just graduated College Dec 2012...
.................................joined as 2nd Lieutenant.............$ 44,500.

#2. Been in for 38 months ...
................................currently a 1st Lieutenant.............$ 52,200.

#3 Been in for 57 months...
....at 48 months was told he would be made
Captain if he re-upped............... now as Captain.............$ 58,800.

Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 715400)

So far this year 57 Florida officers have died in the line of duty. 19 have perished by gunfire.

Originally Posted by Walt. (Post 720241)

Actually that's nationwide. Only 2 from Florida, and one of those was an auto accident. Interesting fact though... of the 19 killed by gunfire SIX were killed in California.

Originally Posted by AutoBike (Post 720331)

State law says that MI public schools can't start before the Tuesday after Labor Day. Teachers start a day earlier to prepare, then have the holiday off. The law requires 180 school days, but most districts don't even hit that mark.

Originally Posted by PammyJ (Post 720422)

I cannot resist, maybe I am wrong... Teachers or retired teachers,
Who CAN GET READY FOR A SCHOOL YEAR IN ONE DAY? LOL, Usually preplanning WEEK isn't enough! Anyone who knows have any thoughts on this?

Looks like MI is trying to tighten Standards by adopting the Common Core, good move!

Also, if school starts after labor day, chances of the school year ending at least midway into June are pretty high, unless less than 180 days as the data told us on Auto 's post. However, likelihood that the data has changed for it is a few years old.

Education is a thankless profession. Please don't generalize all education and educators as not caring about what is best for kids! You will find there are many more quality teachers than bad ones. The bad ones are the only ones that people hear about, and all are put into that category, therefore people may make uniformed judgements!

Originally Posted by PammyJ (Post 720422)

I cannot resist, maybe I am wrong... Teachers or retired teachers,
Who CAN GET READY FOR A SCHOOL YEAR IN ONE DAY? LOL, Usually preplanning WEEK isn't enough! Anyone who knows have any thoughts on this?

Looks like MI is trying to tighten Standards by adopting the Common Core, good move!

Also, if school starts after labor day, chances of the school year ending at least midway into June are pretty high, unless less than 180 days as the data told us on Auto 's post. However, likelihood that the data has changed for it is a few years old.

Education is a thankless profession. Please don't generalize all education and educators as not caring about what is best for kids! You will find there are many more quality teachers than bad ones. The bad ones are the only ones that people hear about, and all are put into that category, therefore people may make uniformed judgements!