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Why was he different than Bill Clinton? And people still listen to Clinton today!

Clinton - Thomas Jefferson - the list goes on and on and on.

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Originally Posted by rjn5656 (Post 580767)

Why was he different than Bill Clinton? And people still listen to Clinton today!

Because he never had sexual relations with that woman.

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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 580770)

Because he never had sexual relations with that woman.

That's right he had a relation with her outfit.

Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely. Here's another perspective regarding those who attain positions of power, not necessarily the Generals but interesting.

Why (Some) Psychopaths Make Great CEOs - Forbes

This is just crazy

He is head of the CIA and he is sending E-MAILS!!! (Dah!)....Is he nuts!

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Originally Posted by rjn5656 (Post 580767)

Why was he different than Bill Clinton? And people still listen to Clinton today!

We are failing as a society. We excuse things that we never should. The governor of the state of NY lives "shacked up" with his girlfriend. A mere 25 years ago he would have been hounded out of office for such behavior. Our leaders are held to the most minimal of standards.

We excuse things because "everybody does it". How many times did you hear that from your children, yet refused to go along with what they wanted or did because you KNEW it was wrong.

Some things are always wrong and always will be no matter what they are. The fact that as a society we are willing to merely pass things off "because everybody does it" is sickening.

It is no measure of mental health to be well adjusted in a profoundly sick society. There are a great many churches that have been built in and around TV. Either they have all turned into social clubs or nobody is listening to what's being said. God's laws never change.

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Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 580794)

He is head of the CIA and he is sending E-MAILS!!! (Dah!)....Is he nuts!

Not just emails but a covert set up that didn't work. :shrug: He didn't even get that right. My heart goes out to the little children who will suffer the consequences and have to live with the shame of this debacle, their lives will be forever changed because their parents acted out selfishly.

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Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 580794)

He is head of the CIA and he is sending E-MAILS!!! (Dah!)....Is he nuts!

Actually he wasn't sending e-mails. He was using a little known hacker technique of sharing a g-mail account with a password known to those on the inside (in this case - the director and his lover) and storing the e-mails as drafts. Assuming the password is very complex...it's very hard to access unless you have access to the actual computers used to write to the accounts. Of course, now it's not so secret of a technique and wanna bet that lovers everywhere will start using it? Plus drug dealers...inside stock traders...and the occasional terrorist.

Yahoo is reporting that the FBI found classified documents at the lover's house.

IIRC flag officers are never retired in the usual sense, so still fall under the UCMJ. Their pay is a retainer.

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Originally Posted by rjn5656 (Post 580767)

Why was he different than Bill Clinton? And people still listen to Clinton today!

He isn't different then Clinton, they both cheated on their wives. To me it doesn't matter if 1,000 poweful men and women cheat it's still wrong. As far as listening to Clinton some do some don't but so what? Many listened to Jim Jones, Charles Manson, Rev Moon and other cult-of-personalities still doesn't mean they are worthy of listening too

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Originally Posted by Geewiz (Post 580753)

First - we have become too hypocritical about this issue. People are people and they have failings. We live in a 24/7 media culture that makes a great deal of cash from dwelling on this stuff. Ike had his affair, JFK has his affairs, FDR, RFK Hoover and his dresses...blah - blah - blah. Guys are dogs...my guess is that more than a few women are as well.

Two - what the heck is FBI doing investigating the CIA director and then slipping info to Eric Cantor? 1. FBI and CIA hate each other....their mandate permits a certain amount of overlap and funding and staffing follow success.. 2. We have one girl accuse another girl of harassing e-mails....how is this an FBI issue? This is a local police matter. It they believe it involves national security it's the local police's job to contact FBI,,,not some connected family. Let's make it personal...if someone connected wants you investigated by FBI where are your protections? The bottom line - none - nada...welcome to becoming a Federal target...and guess what...the Feds will kill you just based on resources. 3. Eric Cantor...why is he involved (and this was thrust on him - there is no evidence out there that he did anything wrong)? This whole thing stinks. And don't go into easy political motivations. The CIA director was not a dem and his relationship with O was testy. FBI belongs to Holder. Still, my guess is that the internal politics are at a lower level. Whether you are liberal or conservative...criminal investigations shouldn't be leaked to politicians...especially when it turns out that no crime was committed The FBI agent behind this needs to put his shirt back on and start looking for a new job.

Lastly, is Tampa really the new South Beach? Time to party with the brass and their babes.

I hope while this post touched on the inherent politics of this...I tried to avoid it being partisan. For me the bad guy is the FBI agent who tried to make it political in between e-mailing pics of his pecs.

I totally agree with you pointing out the hypocrisy of this country. These men (and women) are mortals. We have no idea what their relationship with their spouses is like. When someone has a position of power or fame there will always be people trying to get close to them. It's easy to say that you would not fall, that you would always take the high ground and never, ever do anything immoral but the reality is, as humans we are all capable of doing anything under the right circumstances. We have TV shows dedicated to cheating and newsstands are full of magazines talking about who is dating who on the side. We hold some people to higher standards and then can't understand when they don't maintain them.
I can say with all of my heart that I would never cheat on my husband...well..if Mark Harmon called...........(just kidding!)

The Bible is VERY clear on whom we should be picking as leaders. Unfortunately it's no longer fashionable to follow the word of God, and hold people to those standards since it might just interrupt our fun times. The time is coming where we will be VERY, VERY sorry that we did not follow his word. Of course by that time it will be very much too late.

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Originally Posted by Trish Crocker (Post 580873)

Yes the hypocrisy of this country is amazing. However in my view the relationship with their spouse has nothing to do with cheating, either you are trustworthy or you're not! I know what I would do, I have faced the chance to cheat many times and my vows, my self-worth and the trust my wife put in me were more than enough so that I wasn't even tempted. I think anyone that worked in an office enviroment in the last 30 years had the temptation all around them. I for one had at least 5 members of the oppisite sex just come out and ask me if I wanted to get together. I'm maybe a little younger than many on TOTV (53 years old) but you don't have to be rich, powerful or even good looking to have an affair. There are many people out there that are so desperate for attention that they will throw away everything for a few moments of a strangers attention. How sad!

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Originally Posted by Figmo Bohica (Post 580655)

Posh 08 is correct, under the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice) affairs are punishable. So he did do wrong, but why wait until after the election to bring it out.

Don't know where I read it, but it said the affair took place after he retired
from the Army. If that's the case, then he no longer falls under UCMJ.