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Merck Stops Developing Both Of Its COVID-19 Vaccine Candidates

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1895061)

So glad there is digital proof of vaccination in the works. Paper proof is so easily forged and is basically worthless.

I want to see vaccination mandated for public transportation, getting on cruise ships, entrance to theme parks, entrance to sporting events, entrance to concerts and so much more. The list is endless. Maybe some of you anti-vaxers will change your minds about getting the shot.

Microsoft, Salesforce and Oracle working on Covid vaccination passport

Fraudsters will always be able to defeat any form of proof whether it is digital or paper. It doesn't even need to be a forgery. Just simple identity theft will allow the criminal to use the victims "Proof of Vaccination".

See my other response about vaccines not necessary for the already immune. I am not an anti-vaxxer and routinely get flu shots. However, I would think twice about this new vaccine that was rushed to market. COVID is just a nuisance for the majority of us that are healthy and have no pre-existing health issues. The FDA has approved many drugs that were later found to have serious side effects (anyone remember thalidomide babies?). I advise using some common sense, something I have seen little of in regard to COVID!

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Originally Posted by Choro&Swing (Post 1895294)

This is a good idea. Another possibility might be an endorsement on a hard-to-forge driver’s license.

Here’s the thing, though. We are hoping that these vaccines will be once (with two shots) in a lifetime. Think about it, though. When we were kids, we needed smallpox vaccinations every five years. Some vaccinations are once forever. I think tetanus is ten years unless you get wounded. Mumps? Measles? Whooping cough? Haven’t some adults been getting whooping cough even though they were vaccinated when they were little kids?

We’ve been told that this vaccine is once forever, but I’m not sure that is known yet. What if variations such as this South African one keep turning up. Many of us get flu shots every year that cover varieties that experts think are likely to be the worst that year. Maybe in six months there will be a re-jiggered vaccine that does a great job on the South African variety. Maybe we will be getting a new COVID-19 vaccination every year to cover the new varieties. I suspect that the drug companies really hope for that. Phizer and Moderna aren’t making a huge profit off their vaccines at present, but if it becomes yearly, they will raise the price and have a big step up on their competitors.

If this becomes the case, our Apple Wallet might contain a record of our latest vaccination. Then too, it may be that in a few years, everyone with any sense will keep up to date on their COVID-19 vaccinations, while the anti-vaxxers will not. Just as with the flu, if people are on public transportation while sick, they will pass around their sickness to those without vaccinations, and that is just the risk people take. No more need to check. People will either get sick and develop antibodies, most with a light case, or they will not because they were vaccinated. So it goes. Testing for antibodies may become rare except when people are clearly sick and doctors need to know. Hospitals will no longer quarantine patients with COVID-19 any more than they quarantine patients with colds. Healthcare personnel will continue to wash their hands a lot, as they should in any case, and maybe wear masks around patients, but will all be vaccinated themselves as a condition of employment. If patients don’t require the current quarantine conditions, relatives can visit them. It will be much cheaper to treat them. Many people will continue to die of COVID-19, but that is their choice. Many people will self-quarantine if they think they are sick, just as people now may stay home from work or school if they have a bad cold or the flu. People with weak immune systems and pre-existing conditions may choose to avoid crowds during times when infection rates are high, just as they do now, and may choose to wear masks and gloves and be extra careful on public transportation or crowds, and we will all be comfortable with that. People who have an active case may do the same.

Just as many people die of the flu every year, especially the elderly, many will die of Covid-19, and it may be a much larger number. But I’m grateful that it seems that those of us who choose to be vaccinated will have a way to lower our risks a lot.

No medical expert has said ANYTHING about these vaccines being "once in a lifetime". They have said that maybe we will be lucky to get a year out of it.

I am specifically going to not reply directly to anyone here, but write a post based on reading the whole thread. Overall a decent discussion, but there were a few HUGE falsehoods too, one that was scarey in how off base it was. Please read my whole post before you comment. Let me preface by saying I am still working and own 2 houses in TV. I am 57 and have an Engineering degree and an MBA and my wife, who agrees with everything I am going to write is a nurse with 35 years of experience and now is a district nurse in a school system. We are both conservatives. My wife has been vacinated with the Pfizer vaccine, my CNA daughter with the Moderna, as well as my daughter in law who is a Dental assistant. I will get vaccinated as soon as I can.
I have read everything on the vaccines INCLUDING the entire scientific reports on the Moderna and Pfizer phase 1/2 and 3 studies. I will read the J&J when it is available. What's more important is I UNDERSTAND THE STATISTICS AND WHAT THEY MEAN. I have taught basic statistics at the college level in fact as an adjunct professor.

1. This virus is a real pain in the butt. For the VAST majority of people, it is no big deal(I have MANY employees that have had it, for most it was a headache or being tired a few days). HOWEVER, for some, especially the old, it kills them. It also does kill a small number of people you would not expect it to seamingly at random. For the most part it really does not hurt kids. Seriously, it is way less deadly to those under 25 than the Flu. People that are worried about their kids or grandkids should stop - worry about your elderly relatives in The Villages! I would rather get the vaccine than play russian roulette with my life.
2. These vaccines are effective and SAFE. The sample sizes in this study are HUGE. The p values are such that application of these statistics to conclusions about the population is basically a certainty. There are some side effects that pass quickly. The one side effect that happens in people with a history of alergic reactions can be treated with an Epi pen. NOBODY HAS DIED FROM THE VACCINE in the trials. Statistically, based on the trial data, it would be more likely that you have a car accident while being struck by lightning and having a heart attack all at the same time than dying from this vaccine.
3. Long term side effects- ok, seriously? What crazyperson have you been listening to that you got the video from your consiracy theory loving cousin in Facebook personal messenger? Come on, we all are getting this crazy crap. So here is the reality - there are hundreds of vaccines and ZERO have ever had side effects more than a few weeks out. That is why they insist the trials run for at least 2 months. Now, maybe you make the case that the new mRNA vaccines are new technology, so we are not sure. OK, then take the J&J vaccine when it is approved next month - that is OLD PROVEN TECHNOLOGY. On top of that, you do realize this is a few micrograms of material that can't replicate right? You should read the boxes you are eating your food out of and by WAY more worried about all the chemicals in that than in these vaccines.
4. Lots of people dying from the vaccine - please refer to number 2 above, but let me say that like 8000 people die every day in the USA, mostly the elderly but not exclusively. The chances of a few of those having had the vaccine in the past few days is just about certain since we are giving 1.3 million doses a day. EVERY ONE OF THESE is being publicized in the media, and they are all being investigated by the CDC. NONE have been found to be caused by the vaccine, and they won't be. This notion is as crazy as people who think vaccines cause Autism because some crazy actress said it did.
5. Masks and shutdowns. ok, so have you noticed that the places that have the toughest mask mandates and lockdowns have had the biggest spikes???? I can read a graph, Masks do zero. Lockdowns are effective, IF they are like the Chinese and you actually lock everyone down, but we don't do that and can't, so the virus keeps spreading. It makes our rulers feel good, but just hurts small business.
6. Tracking - here we get to it. We have laws in this country- a right to privacy, HIPAA, ADA that will prevent this. Also, I believe the vast majority including most of us who will be getting vacinated don't think it is good. It is tyranny and fascism. It is mainly being pushed by the "My body, my choice" crowd, but I guess this is somehow different when it actually IS my body? I think not. The difference between this and requiring vaccinations in schools to me comes down to this - if you don't want to get vaccinated, that is up to you, if you don't want to vaccinate your kids, that is hurting another human being- have you seen the results of getting polio? Not vaccinating your kids with proven vaccines that have been around for decades and been proven safe is just wrong. Sorry. Even that is pushing the line to some extent, but the line IS a grey one, we all know that.
7. Herd immunity- yes, this is important. Even the 20 and 30 somethings should get vacinnated so we reach herd immunity - the main reason is these annoying variants. If you have lots of people with Covid, lots of chances for variants, if not, less chances. Simple as that. The quicker we get to herd immunity, the better.

Here is my bottom line- If you have had Covid-19 with minor symptoms, I believe you should wait until at least the summer to get vaccinated - you have the antibodies and even if you get it again, probably won't be bad. Let others get vacinnated first. If you have not and are over 50, I think you are crazy not to get vaccinated unless you have serious allergic reactions to things. If you have concerns, get the J&J vaccine that should be available in March. If you don't, it's like playing Russian roulette, sorry, it is if you don't get vaccinated. ALL 3 vaccines have had ZERO people end up in the hospital with Covid after being vaccinated, it makes it non deadly. I do understand the people who are 30 that work for me saying they don't need it, but even most of them are going to get it after the older people do, so we can reach herd immunity and maybe we can get rid of it completely - we will see.

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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 1895527)

Myself, my family, my neighbors, and millions of others have already had COVID and are naturally immune.

Vaccines train our immune systems to create proteins that fight disease, known as ‘antibodies’, just as would happen when we are exposed to a disease . Even people without symptoms develop an immune response. - WHO (World Health Organization)

People with underlying health conditions that weaken their immune systems (such as cancer or HIV) or who have severe allergies to some vaccine components may not be able to get vaccinated - WHO (World Health Organization)

Vaccines can cause anaphylaxis and other dangerous life-threatening side effects. - NIH (National Institute of Health)

Example: The United States stopped giving mandatory smallpox vaccinations 30 years ago. Some people die from it; and others have serious reactions, some permanent. Scientists say it's the most dangerous vaccine known to man. - CBS News, 60 Minutes

These new COVID vaccines were rushed into use with extremely short trial periods. According to the IFPMA, the development of novel vaccines is a long endeavor. It takes usually between 10 to 15 years to develop a novel vaccine, as well as establishing its quality, safety and efficacy. - International Federation of Pharmaceutical Manufacturers & Associations

Thus, for those who have had COVID, getting vaccinated is not only pointless but potentially dangerous. - David H. Dallas, RN-ASN, EMT-P, retired

A lot of research says those immunity anti-bodies are not that long lasting, and start to reduce after months, not years.
Just what I have read in several reports.

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Originally Posted by Notsocrates (Post 1895310)

Is anyone old enough to remember smallpox? The last diagnosed case in the world was in the 1970's. Totally eradicated!! This could not have been achieved if vaccination had been optional.

Smallpox is making a comeback in some 3rd world countries and it could also be in the anti-vaxxers in the US.

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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 1895527)

You may be in error. I was told by my doctor that immunity from this virus only lasts about three months. I don't care if you get the shot or not, but I hope you are not basing your decision on false hopes.

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Originally Posted by ScottS (Post 1895340)

Ask yourself why is it now illegal to report deaths from the vaccine. Why is there no place on a death certificate for death related to the vaccine. Coffee bean stop being so narrow minded about this subject. The actual amount of deaths from the vaccine would shock you. And the percentage grows astronomically the older you are. Most of us have gone back to life as we knew it. Other than being FORCED to wear a mask where you work. Yes FORCED. Over and over again masks have been proven to cause more harm than good, yet here we are a year later still wearing diapers on our faces like good little sheep. Anyone wanting digital proof of a vaccine is a fool. Anyone wanting mandated vaccines is a fool. And you saying they should be required to attend concerts, sporting events, public transportation etc is pure selfishness. Not surprising but yet selfish. The amount of deaths and tragic side effects from this virtually untested vaccine is astonishing, but thanks to the selfish people out there who choose to blindly follow the herd, these deaths are acceptable. How sad.

This post is the 1st time that I have heard about tragic reactions and deaths from the vaccine. And I watch a lot of news on TV. It is CV that IS causing reactions, long haul symptoms, and deaths. Be real about this!

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Originally Posted by kathyspear (Post 1895499)

It is my understanding that the CDC (ie THE FEDERAL GOVT) knows who is getting vaccinated. Didn't we have to give our SSN when we registered online? If so, we will not be using the little card they gave us (which is easily forged) to prove we got our shots.

kathy

Nope, you do not have to give your SSN when you register on line.

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Originally Posted by coffeebean (Post 1895061)

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Ive been vaccinated but have you really considered all aspects of tracking citizens movements?

We are not supposed to direct comments directly to another person. Your term "anti-laxer" is very offensive. There are many who do not want this vaccine or any other for many reasons. I believe this vaccine mandate would be unconstitutional. Plus this entire pandemic was proven to be over exaggerated by numbers of infected and number of deaths. How often have we heard about number of survivors?

We don’t even know yet if the vaccine works. Collecting data will take several years

Could not have said it better! Thank you.

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Originally Posted by Nick B (Post 1895200)

You are trackable now. Welcome to US of A

Anybody that has cell phone is tracked and spied on. Social media and web site are tracking and spying on you. Plus selling you’re private information, how do you think CEO become billionaires by offer free site? FB, shy-ter, google, ( who owns utube now), -sswhoo, and dozens more. You don’t get something for nothing in cyberspace.

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Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 1895564)

The concept of Facebook is good. The prime owner is a problem.