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Taltarzac725 12-22-2012 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shimpy (Post 598260)
This young killer spent hour after hour playing video games in his basement. Have you seen what they are like? Heads chopped off, blood spurting, etc. This gives the viewer a feeling of power and life has no meaning. He has been built up to think he is in one of those games and winning it. It was as if he was striking back at society because he had so few friends. He will use anything to accomplish his goal. Thats why he picked an elementary school, easy pickings, and not a police station. As soon as he saw signs of the swat team he killed himself. Nobody wants to research banning these games, just the one tool he used. He could have used knives, bombs, gasoline, SUV, etc.
Think back to when we were kids. None of this ever happened. Guns were just as prevalent and so were semi-auto's with the end of WWII. The most violent things we saw was cowboy and gangster movies.

Cuomo on ABC News yesterday or the day before went to his school (elementary I would guess) in Queens, NY to talk about what the kids would like done to stop violence. He then asked them how many of them played video games. Believe that about half of these kids raised their hands. I really do not see violent video games as causing violence. The Bible is one of the most violent books ever written and much of this violence is condoned by the God(s) in it. I see very few Christians suddenly or slowly becoming violent because of reading the Holy Book.

There are some video games that go way over the top in terms of violence and pornography but these are usually only found through underground sellers.

justjim 12-22-2012 05:18 PM

You couldn't even buy a playboy magazine in the small community where I grew up. Roy Rogers and Gene Autry were our heroes. Instead of killing the bad guy they shot the gun out of his hand. Yes, there were guns----for hunting game. You were "unusual" if you didn't attend church. The worst violence on television was Gunsmoke but old' Matt Dillon always prevailed. If you had too much to drink, the good policeman brought you home. They wanted to throw Elvis in jail and off television because he was too sinful and provocative. Wow! How times "they have changed."

Shimpy 12-22-2012 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 598272)
I really do not see violent video games as causing violence. The Bible is one of the most violent books ever written and much of this violence is condoned by the God(s) in it. I see very few Christians suddenly or slowly becoming violent because of reading the Holy Book.

There are some video games that go way over the top in terms of violence and pornography but these are usually only found through underground sellers.

Viewing a violent movie is one thing as we did all our lives growing up......BUT INTERACTING in a video game, where you are the one to decide who dies or not is another. In a video game You are the one that pulls the trigger, chops off the head, etc. These games are advertised on TV everyday, not just through underground sellers, that's how I know about them.

Villages PL 12-22-2012 06:44 PM

Do We All Live On The Same Planet?
 
Based on the heading, I thought this thread was going to be about interplanetary travel and/or parallel universes.

That being the case, everything about guns is off topic, in my opinion. :wave:

Taltarzac725 12-22-2012 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shimpy (Post 598278)
Viewing a violent movie is one thing as we did all our lives growing up......BUT INTERACTING in a video game, where you are the one to decide who dies or not is another. In a video game You are the one that pulls the trigger, chops off the head, etc. These games are advertised on TV everyday, not just through underground sellers, that's how I know about them.

Not sure we mean the same thing. I used the play a game where I shot Nazis to get to the next level before they shot me. I pulled the trigger. It is a game though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfenstein_(series)

Of course, I never played something like Manhunt but assume there are even worse video games in the black market. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunt_(video_game)

Snuff movies are almost always sold underground as so I would assume would video games that pander to the same market. This article talks about one Call of Juarez: The Cartel that has not been banned in this country but has a black market in others. http://hnn.us/node/137191

senior citizen 12-22-2012 08:29 PM

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wendyquat 12-22-2012 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ugotme (Post 598232)
I post this not to defend the NRA - I post this just because:


COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER!!

Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.
They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.
"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.
"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent
I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact.
What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws.
Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him.

To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!
My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"
- Darrell Scott

This is so simple and basic! Why do people refuse to see it?

Bogie Shooter 12-22-2012 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wendyquat (Post 598358)
This is so simple and basic! Why do people refuse to see it?

Read post #78

Taltarzac725 12-23-2012 08:15 AM

The National Alliance for the Mentally Ill on the NRA's database plan.
 
NAMI | Newtown Tragedy: NAMI Condemns NRA Position as Outrageous and Wrong

MelZ 12-23-2012 08:39 AM

Please Watch this Video and learn:

Shooting Deaths and Gun Control, The Critique - YouTube!

Golfingnut 12-23-2012 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelZ (Post 598466)

Yea Jenk. He is spot on and we should all do what we can to get control on these guns.

Taltarzac725 12-23-2012 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelZ (Post 598466)

He does not seem to really address the issue of military style weapons. I have not really heard anyone pragmatically argue that we should get rid of all guns in the U.S. That would be impossible. Getting all semi-automatic weapons that would go out on the street after say June 2013 could be possible with very strict laws.

This is an interesting article on why people would want these military kind of weapons.
http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/21/us/mil...ort/index.html

There are always exceptions to any generalized statement.

JoeC1947 12-23-2012 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 597972)
I don't think what I said really will change things so I deleted it. There isn't any use arguing.

I read all of the posts in this thread and this one makes the most sense to me.

Taltarzac725 12-23-2012 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeC1947 (Post 598505)
I read all of the posts in this thread and this one makes the most sense to me.

Throwing up your hands in defeat is no response really except giving up.

MelZ 12-23-2012 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 598477)
Yea Jenk. He is spot on and we should all do what we can to get control on these guns.

The UK had over 3500 head injuries from golf balls, we should start controlling golf clubs to save the people. Makes as much sense as you position.

Risky Business: The World of Golf Injury and Accidents

Uptown Girl 12-23-2012 11:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelZ (Post 598466)

THANKS MelZ,
I'm very glad you provided this link.

Taltarzac725 12-23-2012 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MelZ (Post 598529)
The UK had over 3500 head injuries from golf balls, we should start controlling golf clubs to save the people. Makes as much sense as you position.

Risky Business: The World of Golf Injury and Accidents

Nice, except that some deranged golfer does not proceed to murder 20 six year olds in some UK kindergarten with golf balls.

That has about as much logic as banning bathtubs because people slip and fall on them and some die as a result.

jebartle 12-23-2012 11:58 AM

I've said this b4
 
America out guns the planet, and in murders also by a WIDE margin.....enough said!

JoeC1947 12-23-2012 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 598509)
Throwing up your hands in defeat is no response really except giving up.

Defeat! Do you actually think there will be winners and losers?

MelZ 12-23-2012 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jebartle (Post 598577)
America out guns the planet, and in murders also by a WIDE margin.....enough said!

Fact check you are WRONG

Current Worldwide Homicide/Murder Rate
List of countries by intentional homicide rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

graciegirl 12-23-2012 01:55 PM

Sorry. Shouldn't have posted.

Let's just think about the little ones.

rubicon 12-23-2012 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ugotme (Post 598232)
I post this not to defend the NRA - I post this just because:


COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER!!

Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.
They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.
"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.
"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent
I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact.
What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws.
Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him.

To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!
My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"
- Darrell Scott

ugotme: thank you for that post. Darrell Scott hit the nail on the head. For better than 40 years we have ignored each successive generation's lack of self restraint moving futher and further into a secular hedonistic lifestyle and we wonder why kids today misbehave so badly.

Politicians know that can legislate that so they flex their muscle on gun control. those in favor of guncontrol need to ask themselves how far the goverment should go. Will we allow the government to come into our homes and confiscate our weapons? You noticed a few who attempted to marginalize what and when Darrell Scott made this presentation. Notice they didn't address whether they believed if it had any merit.

MelZ 12-23-2012 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 598647)
Sorry. Shouldn't have posted.

Let's just think about the little ones.

Gracie I agree

There is no one or simple solution to the Ct. school tragedy. Why must people look for easy answer. If you don't like guns don't own one but guns alone are not the problem.

Taltarzac725 12-23-2012 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeC1947 (Post 598631)
Defeat! Do you actually think there will be winners and losers?

Yes. If one or a few deranged shooters are stopped then from killing kids or anyone from there not being access to semi-automatic weapons then that is a victory.

Another practical solution would be for an intensive campaign in schools against bullying and lessons in civility and perhaps more programs that get kids away from playing violent video games and watching violent movies.

Golfingnut 12-23-2012 02:30 PM

Semi Automatic military style weapons, Large capacity magazines and venomous snakes. I find collecting any of these to be a bit creepy to me.

2BNTV 12-23-2012 02:33 PM

Just thinking of the little children and praying something will be done to lessen the possibility of this happening again whatever that might be.......... :pray:

Cisco Kid 12-23-2012 03:04 PM

Fuel for the fire
 
Chicago Murder Rate Rises Despite Gun Ban

Chicago Murder Rate Rises Despite Gun Ban
100% gun ban

Taltarzac725 12-23-2012 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cisco Kid (Post 598701)
Chicago Murder Rate Rises Despite Gun Ban

Chicago Murder Rate Rises Despite Gun Ban
100% gun ban

Bet most of these murders are with very cheap pistols.

Bogie Shooter 12-23-2012 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cisco Kid (Post 598701)
Chicago Murder Rate Rises Despite Gun Ban

Chicago Murder Rate Rises Despite Gun Ban
100% gun ban

But what is not said is that most of the guns are purchased outside of Chicago.

Villages PL 12-23-2012 05:04 PM

The slippery slope solution
 
The slippery-slope-solution is to ban the worst semi automatic weapons with the hope that large numbers of children will never be killed again. Then in the next shooting there might only be 15 or 20 killed instead of 26. Will they then admit that the first ban was wrong headed? No. They will just say that the first ban didn't go far enough and proceed to ban the next most deadly weapons. So, I ask, "where does this type of solution end?"

EdV 12-23-2012 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eweissenbach (Post 597860)
....So it sounds as though the NRA is advocating a gunfight at the OK Corral solution to gun violence. They believe teachers and administrators should be armed...

I know my post here is late but for the record Wayne Lapierre and the NRA never said that.

Here is a link to the transcript of the press conference.

AJ32162 12-23-2012 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 598672)
Semi Automatic military style weapons, Large capacity magazines and venomous snakes. I find collecting any of these to be a bit creepy to me.

Then you probably shouldn't collect them.

buggyone 12-23-2012 09:27 PM

LaPierre did say that the only thing that stops a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun.

He called for the armed volunteers in all schools. I am sure he would like more police wannabees like George Zimmerman to be patrolling schools with their firearms and set justice straight on more people like Trayvon Martin even though they are unarmed.

LaPierre is definitely out of touch with reality.


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