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Taltarzac725 12-22-2012 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by justjim (Post 598229)
Assault Weapons ban of 1994 approved by Congress and signed by President Clinton in September 1994 had a 10 year life and expired on September 2004. Since that time a ban has been unable to make it to the House of Representives.

We need some kind of Federal Constitutional Amendment that empowers each state to set up bans of all sales of any kind of military or para-military weapon while also saving to the Federal Government certain kinds of duties towards removing these kind of weapons from circulation.

This should be on the Ballots of each State as well as at the Federal level so that we can work with and around whatever politicians block or support these Constitutional Amendments.

There are some states which I would guess that would probably never get through this kind of Constitutional Amendment.

Shimpy 12-22-2012 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 2 Oldcrabs (Post 598053)
I am not against guns, I own 2 shot guns. I am against automatic wepons ! We need to call them what they are, "WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION" and ban them! :rant-rave:

Automatic weapons are already banned and have been for years. You would need a very special and expensive license to buy one. What was used was a semi-automatic weapon. On a semi-auto you must pull the trigger for each and every shot. On an auto you pull the trigger once and hold it and it will keep firing until empty. This is what the military uses and cannot be legally owned.

buggyone 12-22-2012 04:14 PM

Do not blame the National Rifle Association and their brow-beating Congress to allow modified assault rifles such as the AR-15 to be sold as well as high-capacity magazines (twin banana clips taped back to back) - but put the blame on a ban on prayer in school?

I think not.

Bogie Shooter 12-22-2012 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ugotme (Post 598232)
I post this not to defend the NRA - I post this just because:


COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER!!

Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.
They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.
"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.
"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent
I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact.
What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws.
Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him.

To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!
My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"
- Darrell Scott


This happened on Thursday May 27, 1999The rest of the story can be found here;
snopes.com: Darrell Scott Testimony

From Snopes................
As transcripts of the proceedings demonstrate, Darrell Scott did make the statement attributed to him in the account reproduced above, but virtually everything framing his statement in that account is false. Mr. Scott wasn't speaking to national leaders present at a "special session of Congress," people who were "not prepared for what he was to say" and "did not receive it well." He was simply one of eight people who presented statements to a small House subcommittee meeting in an office building; his statement wasn't received differently than any of the others and didn't prompt outrage from an unreceptive audience. Moreover, unlike the other persons who testified before the Congressional subcommittee that day, Mr. Scott presented no facts or statistics relating to the issues of gun control and gun law enforcement; he merely gave his opinion that gun control laws wouldn't have stopped the Columbine High School shootings and that those shootings were somehow related to a lack of religion in schools (repeating along the way the mistaken claim that prayer has been "outlawed" in schools). Another parent who lost a child to a school-related shooting, Byrl Phillips-Taylor, testified after Darrell Scott and offered the opposite opinion: a lack of controls on the sale of assault weapons, Ms. Phillips-Taylor maintained, had led to the shooting death of her son.

Finally, contrary to the coda of the e-mailed account, the "media" did not prevent anyone from hearing Darrell Scott's words. The subcommittee hearing at which he spoke was covered by the Associated Press and reported in several big-city newspapers; in fact, due to intense media interest regarding everything related to the then-recent Columbine shootings, the event actually received much more general media coverage than a House subcommittee hearing typically would have.

Shimpy 12-22-2012 04:43 PM

This young killer spent hour after hour playing video games in his basement. Have you seen what they are like? Heads chopped off, blood spurting, etc. This gives the viewer a feeling of power and life has no meaning. He has been built up to think he is in one of those games and winning it. It was as if he was striking back at society because he had so few friends. He will use anything to accomplish his goal. Thats why he picked an elementary school, easy pickings, and not a police station. As soon as he saw signs of the swat team he killed himself. Nobody wants to research banning these games, just the one tool he used. He could have used knives, bombs, gasoline, SUV, etc.
Think back to when we were kids. None of this ever happened. Guns were just as prevalent and so were semi-auto's with the end of WWII. The most violent things we saw was cowboy and gangster movies.

Taltarzac725 12-22-2012 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Shimpy (Post 598260)
This young killer spent hour after hour playing video games in his basement. Have you seen what they are like? Heads chopped off, blood spurting, etc. This gives the viewer a feeling of power and life has no meaning. He has been built up to think he is in one of those games and winning it. It was as if he was striking back at society because he had so few friends. He will use anything to accomplish his goal. Thats why he picked an elementary school, easy pickings, and not a police station. As soon as he saw signs of the swat team he killed himself. Nobody wants to research banning these games, just the one tool he used. He could have used knives, bombs, gasoline, SUV, etc.
Think back to when we were kids. None of this ever happened. Guns were just as prevalent and so were semi-auto's with the end of WWII. The most violent things we saw was cowboy and gangster movies.

Cuomo on ABC News yesterday or the day before went to his school (elementary I would guess) in Queens, NY to talk about what the kids would like done to stop violence. He then asked them how many of them played video games. Believe that about half of these kids raised their hands. I really do not see violent video games as causing violence. The Bible is one of the most violent books ever written and much of this violence is condoned by the God(s) in it. I see very few Christians suddenly or slowly becoming violent because of reading the Holy Book.

There are some video games that go way over the top in terms of violence and pornography but these are usually only found through underground sellers.

justjim 12-22-2012 05:18 PM

You couldn't even buy a playboy magazine in the small community where I grew up. Roy Rogers and Gene Autry were our heroes. Instead of killing the bad guy they shot the gun out of his hand. Yes, there were guns----for hunting game. You were "unusual" if you didn't attend church. The worst violence on television was Gunsmoke but old' Matt Dillon always prevailed. If you had too much to drink, the good policeman brought you home. They wanted to throw Elvis in jail and off television because he was too sinful and provocative. Wow! How times "they have changed."

Shimpy 12-22-2012 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725 (Post 598272)
I really do not see violent video games as causing violence. The Bible is one of the most violent books ever written and much of this violence is condoned by the God(s) in it. I see very few Christians suddenly or slowly becoming violent because of reading the Holy Book.

There are some video games that go way over the top in terms of violence and pornography but these are usually only found through underground sellers.

Viewing a violent movie is one thing as we did all our lives growing up......BUT INTERACTING in a video game, where you are the one to decide who dies or not is another. In a video game You are the one that pulls the trigger, chops off the head, etc. These games are advertised on TV everyday, not just through underground sellers, that's how I know about them.

Villages PL 12-22-2012 06:44 PM

Do We All Live On The Same Planet?
 
Based on the heading, I thought this thread was going to be about interplanetary travel and/or parallel universes.

That being the case, everything about guns is off topic, in my opinion. :wave:

Taltarzac725 12-22-2012 07:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shimpy (Post 598278)
Viewing a violent movie is one thing as we did all our lives growing up......BUT INTERACTING in a video game, where you are the one to decide who dies or not is another. In a video game You are the one that pulls the trigger, chops off the head, etc. These games are advertised on TV everyday, not just through underground sellers, that's how I know about them.

Not sure we mean the same thing. I used the play a game where I shot Nazis to get to the next level before they shot me. I pulled the trigger. It is a game though. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfenstein_(series)

Of course, I never played something like Manhunt but assume there are even worse video games in the black market. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhunt_(video_game)

Snuff movies are almost always sold underground as so I would assume would video games that pander to the same market. This article talks about one Call of Juarez: The Cartel that has not been banned in this country but has a black market in others. http://hnn.us/node/137191

senior citizen 12-22-2012 08:29 PM

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wendyquat 12-22-2012 08:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ugotme (Post 598232)
I post this not to defend the NRA - I post this just because:


COLUMBINE STUDENT'S FATHER 12 YEARS LATER!!

Guess our national leaders didn't expect this. On Thursday, Darrell Scott, the father of Rachel Scott, a victim of the Columbine High School shootings in Littleton, Colorado, was invited to address the House Judiciary Committee's subcommittee. What he said to our national leaders during this special session of Congress was painfully truthful.
They were not prepared for what he was to say, nor was it received well. It needs to be heard by every parent, every teacher, every politician, every sociologist, every psychologist, and every so-called expert! These courageous words spoken by Darrell Scott are powerful, penetrating, and deeply personal. There is no doubt that God sent this man as a voice crying in the wilderness. The following is a portion of the transcript:

"Since the dawn of creation there has been both good &evil in the hearts of men and women. We all contain the seeds of kindness or the seeds of violence. The death of my wonderful daughter, Rachel Joy Scott, and the deaths of that heroic teacher, and the other eleven children who died must not be in vain. Their blood cries out for answers.
"The first recorded act of violence was when Cain slew his brother Abel out in the field. The villain was not the club he used.. Neither was it the NCA, the National Club Association. The true killer was Cain, and the reason for the murder could only be found in Cain's heart.
"In the days that followed the Columbine tragedy, I was amazed at how quickly fingers began to be pointed at groups such as the NRA. I am not a member of the NRA. I am not a hunter. I do not even own a gun. I am not here to represent or defend the NRA - because I don't believe that they are responsible for my daughter's death. Therefore I do not believe that they need to be defended. If I believed they had anything to do with Rachel's murder I would be their strongest opponent
I am here today to declare that Columbine was not just a tragedy -- it was a spiritual event that should be forcing us to look at where the real blame lies! Much of the blame lies here in this room. Much of the blame lies behind the pointing fingers of the accusers themselves. I wrote a poem just four nights ago that expresses my feelings best.

Your laws ignore our deepest needs,
Your words are empty air.
You've stripped away our heritage,
You've outlawed simple prayer.
Now gunshots fill our classrooms,
And precious children die.
You seek for answers everywhere,
And ask the question "Why?"
You regulate restrictive laws,
Through legislative creed.
And yet you fail to understand,
That God is what we need!

"Men and women are three-part beings. We all consist of body, mind, and spirit. When we refuse to acknowledge a third part of our make-up, we create a void that allows evil, prejudice, and hatred to rush in and wreak havoc. Spiritual presences were present within our educational systems for most of our nation's history. Many of our major colleges began as theological seminaries. This is a historical fact.
What has happened to us as a nation? We have refused to honor God, and in so doing, we open the doors to hatred and violence. And when something as terrible as Columbine's tragedy occurs -- politicians immediately look for a scapegoat such as the NRA. They immediately seek to pass more restrictive laws that contribute to erode away our personal and private liberties. We do not need more restrictive laws.
Eric and Dylan would not have been stopped by metal detectors. No amount of gun laws can stop someone who spends months planning this type of massacre. The real villain lies within our own hearts.

"As my son Craig lay under that table in the school library and saw his two friends murdered before his very eyes, he did not hesitate to pray in school. I defy any law or politician to deny him that right! I challenge every young person in America , and around the world, to realize that on April 20, 1999, at Columbine High School prayer was brought back to our schools. Do not let the many prayers offered by those students be in vain. Dare to move into the new millennium with a sacred disregard for legislation that violates your God-given right to communicate with Him.

To those of you who would point your finger at the NRA -- I give to you a sincere challenge.. Dare to examine your own heart before casting the first stone!
My daughter's death will not be in vain! The young people of this country will not allow that to happen!"
- Darrell Scott

This is so simple and basic! Why do people refuse to see it?

Bogie Shooter 12-22-2012 09:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wendyquat (Post 598358)
This is so simple and basic! Why do people refuse to see it?

Read post #78

Taltarzac725 12-23-2012 08:15 AM

The National Alliance for the Mentally Ill on the NRA's database plan.
 
NAMI | Newtown Tragedy: NAMI Condemns NRA Position as Outrageous and Wrong

MelZ 12-23-2012 08:39 AM

Please Watch this Video and learn:

Shooting Deaths and Gun Control, The Critique - YouTube!


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