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Boston1945 01-30-2022 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 2055020)
So let’s say 12 years or so after you install the panels you have to replace the roof. How are you going to find shingles that match? Will that partial replacement void the new shingle warranty and how will the insurance company feel about this method of reroofing?

Trust me, the insurance company wants the entire roof replaced. They do not buy into just replacing the exposed parts of the roof.

bruce213 01-30-2022 10:42 AM

I went solar Dec 2019. My 20 and 21 ele bill was reduced by 75%. My ROI should be between 13-16 years depending on energy cost increases. So to make it work you need to be strong green or live in your house 20+ years. If you have any questions PM me.

montagnard1969 01-30-2022 11:05 AM

Whole House Solar
 
This is something you must determine based on Return On Investment [ROI]. A solar array for a whole house installation can run upwards of $20,000 depending if you have battery backup in addition to adding a second electric meter to sell back any excess electricity your system produces.
You must also consider the maintenance of the system, meaning cleaning and replacement of underperforming solar panels. In addition the condition of your roof materials should be assessed. If you have a new asphalt shingle rood you should be okay for the short term, however if you spring a leak you may incur additional costs to remove/replace the solar panels to repair the leak from beneath them. Don’t think because you install a system it’s all savings of the electric bill. There are many costs to consider, one being how much electricity you consume and how many years it will take to recover the cost of the installation and maintenance. If it is going to take 15-20 years to recover those costs will you keep the property that long? How much will you save in electricity costs versus how much will you spend to install the system. Solar is a great alternative but perhaps a less expensive system to supplement your electricity usage is a greater benefit versus a whole house system. You have to crunch the numbers and always remember to consider the ROI.

mpalazzola 01-30-2022 11:15 AM

I have 15 kw of solar, been in service for 7 years
 
A complicated question going solar. Was going to the moon worth it? Was your first computer worth it? Here are some facts: they work. They work so well Duke and Seco are building their own solar farms. My return on investment has been 8%. Yeah, some years the stock market does better, but every year I need electricity. Will they pay for themselves: yes, in 12 years. When will the new granite my wife buys break even? The answer to both is when you sell the house. Is distributed power better for everyone? Yes, otherwise we would have one big power plant, vs 1000's smaller ones. The panels cover the shingles that wear out first. So the roof lasts longer, but insurance companies decide when roofs are replaced in the Villages. So it will cost you a little more to remove the panels and reinstall them during the roof replacement. I produced 100% of my electrical needs last year. But most people will for many reasons (space, location roof style, money) install only a few panels. Saving some of their energy needs. If you cut your eclectic bill 25% with solar, what is the controversy? If you add better insulation you can reduce your energy needs too. Some people just want to hate solar.

Boston1945 01-30-2022 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 2055157)
There is more to consider than just the shingles.
All the mountings for solar (whether for electric or pool heating) drill into the under shingle sheeting and plywood.

We recently had our roof replaced. Had to remove solar system (pool heating).....50% of all plywood sheeting where the panels were mounted had weather rot.....hence significant plywood replacement.

After that education plus the sun baked piping that needed to be replaced (system was 12 years old) we decided to not have the pool heating solar system replaced. (We have gas heater as primary pool heater).

Long story short....it is not about just the shingles!!!!

BINGO! Enough said on this issue about the roof.

Roron123 01-30-2022 12:32 PM

Yes I have whole house solar and batteries! The house runs on solar during the day and batteries during the night! In the last couple of months had a $30 bill only!

Roron123 01-30-2022 12:37 PM

26%

Henryk 01-30-2022 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2054944)
Lots of threads on this. Do a search. Most of them conclude that it will not be a good investment. But, the contractors who sell the system will claim otherwise.

Several searches here turned up only two entries.

Henryk 01-30-2022 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2054989)

Thanks for the link. I wouldn't expect to make much selling power back to the grid, but how much would it reduce my electric bill?

villagetinker 01-30-2022 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Henryk (Post 2055258)
Thanks for the link. I wouldn't expect to make much selling power back to the grid, but how much would it reduce my electric bill?

A LOT less than what is currently offered ,I believe there was a new level of compensation mentioned in the article, but without rereading it I do not recall the number, but i think it was below 50% of the current level. So IMHO, solar will never pay off in Florida if this passes.

Brad-tv 01-30-2022 01:36 PM

Tesla

That’s the only company I would use
And free charging for the Tessy

And without the power wall it’s crazy you have to have a battery storage

Henryk 01-30-2022 01:37 PM

Thank you, everyone for your replies. I appreciate them.

thevillages2013 01-30-2022 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by rlcooper70 (Post 2055087)
Feathering the shingles is very simple and it does work. And no one sees beneath the solar panels so getting an "exact" color is not an issue.

Perhaps we should be talking about just plain "do the right thing" for society rather than "outliving" the system.

How about the new roof warranty being voided?

thevillages2013 01-30-2022 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Roron123 (Post 2055245)
Yes I have whole house solar and batteries! The house runs on solar during the day and batteries during the night! In the last couple of months had a $30 bill only!

My electric bill was only $90 average the last two months and I don’t have solar panels:boom:

Boston1945 01-30-2022 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by thevillages2013 (Post 2055330)
My electric bill was only $90 average the last two months and I don’t have solar panels:boom:

I think I got you beat..How about $60 for the last three months. And NO solar panels here.

Jdburns11 01-31-2022 07:13 AM

We just bought our house in August 2021 and completed solar December 2021…. So completely new customer with almost 10 kw system (which can produce about 7+kw to alternating current hourly in ideal conditions. My quick thoughts: I would note we also get enough solar on cloudy or even rainy days to cover most of our use during the day which surprised me a bit.

1. Financially, this was a toss up for us cost, up front & recoup over time. The tax credit and some gains we had on a house sale last year probably put us over the top in deciding to do this. Note- the tax credit is not paying less tax, only paying it to the solar company as part of the project vs. the IRS. I misunderstood this initially. We plan to be here for awhile and the roof is only a year old - so we figured if there was any time to do this - it was now.

2. We used PPM (Power Production Management) and I was very impressed with them from beginning to end. Professional, timely, responsive, knowledgeable- I would definitely recommend. 25-year warranty on panels & inverters… I think a 10 or 15 year roof warranty on the install work.

3. Only time will tell the offsets - but our first bill from SECO was a credit overall - I am not certain how this will fare overall need more time in the summer etc.,

4. Many others have cited the House & Senate bills pending — agreed, this could very much change the dynamic depending on the recoup agreements for credit. It appears to put existing owners a 10-year period at old agreement - but this would likely be very bad for all customers (especially newer ones), potential customers and the solar industry as a whole.

Respectfully, DB

Travelhunter123 01-31-2022 07:28 AM

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Originally Posted by bruce213 (Post 2055199)
I went solar Dec 2019. My 20 and 21 ele bill was reduced by 75%. My ROI should be between 13-16 years depending on energy cost increases. So to make it work you need to be strong green or live in your house 20+ years. If you have any questions PM me.

When I calculate break even points of 15 years or more, I question whether I will live that long.

Shirleyq 01-31-2022 08:23 AM

Solar Panels
 
I have an 1800 sq ft home with 11 solar panels. Seco gives me on average $25 per month back. I've had them for 4 yrs now & I'm not happy.

Fran from MI 01-31-2022 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by metoo21 (Post 2054950)
Well, since insurers seem to want everyone to replace their roof every 15 years in order to insure the house, be aware that the panels have to be removed first and then put back afterwards. Extra $$

Looks like this could be a moot point in the near future. GAF has introduced Timberline Solar Shingles. The cost may still make this an iffy investment, but from what I am reading, it could become the way to do solar. There is another company in Tampa (Alsolar) that is advertising this type of shingle. I would do some research on this if interested in Solar.

Proveone 01-31-2022 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by PoolBrews (Post 2055086)
The other issue with SECO is that SECO is a coop, and not governed by the same rules as Duke and others. A non-coop electric company must pay you the same rate for your electricity as they charge you. A coop is exempt, and SECO pays you about 85%-90% of what they charge you. None of these systems directly power your home - electricity must be sold back to your provider, and then they sell back to you. Even with Tesla, power goes to your provider, then Tesla has an option to store incoming power in a battery bank (called a Tesla Wall) to cover outages.

With SECO, you need to get enough banks to cover ~115% of the power you use - and even then you'll never get to zero. There is a $30/month member fee that never goes away.

I researched this heavily - going solar may make you feel good, but you'll never come close to paying it off.

One more important thing to take into account if you do purchase - all solar panels lose about 10% efficiency in their first year of use. They remain stable after that, but I guarantee the salesman won't mention that you'll only have 90% of what you paid for after year one.

I believe you are incorrect about what you generate goes into the grid and then what you use comes from the grid. What you generate goes to you directly if you are using electricity at that moment. So, it is best to use your appliances when the Sun is shinning and you are generating. Sales person will tell you payback period is 8 to 10 years but it is more like 11 to 13 years.

Proveone 01-31-2022 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Bgillam (Post 2055031)
I wonder why Florida Legislature would want to take away solar jobs and savings for us?? The electric company want us to turn our thermostats to 65 for the whole weekend. They need help with solar power.

Right wing politics to help big business energy. Pathetic!!

Proveone 01-31-2022 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2055126)
“Savings for us”? Net net there are no savings when tax credits are involved, one parties savings are others tax burden.

Solar tax credits wouldn't be a tax "burden" for other citizens if CORPORATIONS WOULD BE TAXED APPROPRIATELY AND PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE!

Stu from NYC 01-31-2022 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Proveone (Post 2055499)
Solar tax credits wouldn't be a tax "burden" for other citizens if CORPORATIONS WOULD BE TAXED APPROPRIATELY AND PAY THEIR FAIR SHARE!

Just curious what do you think Corporations fair share of taxes should be?

By the way it is the opinion of most economists that corporations really do not pay taxes but pass it on in the form of higher prices.

However have you considered that business take their profits and invest them in order to grow their business and provide more jobs? Or they pay dividends to their investors and that must is used for investments or buying stuff that also creates jobs.

Do you really think govt uses our money more efficiently than businesses?

Laurawilcox 01-31-2022 11:21 AM

They need to replace the whole roof even with solar panels protecting part of it
 
Hello. Just validating that when we had severe hail damage to our roof in Colorado, all of the solar panels remained in perfect condition though the roof needed to be replaced. Feathering shingles wasn’t an allowable option. 9k to have the panels removed, and stacked in our back yard for 30 days, and then put back on when the new roof was completed. Insurance covered it. That was 1/3rd of the cost of the project.

Henryk 02-01-2022 01:41 PM

Thank you all again for your replies. Appreciated.

PersonOfInterest 02-03-2022 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Henryk (Post 2054931)
I'm thinking of options regarding electricity. Solar electric (NOT pool heaters or such things) of the whole house can save lots of money once over the initial investment.

Do you have solar electric? Does it live up to its reputation for saving money on the electric bill? Who did the job for you? Would you hire them again?

TIA from the novice.

Electricity rates here are too cheap to make Solar worthwhile. I've had solar on a house in CA and even with their very high rates it was hardly worthwhile.


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