[justjim]

Another conspiracy theory. There also could be cases that were not reported before they started reporting cases. I trust our scientists before I trust most politicians whose main goal is to be re-elected.

[Stinger2]

The key words for accurately reporting vivid deaths are WITH and FROM.
Is the death a result of someone dying from or with virus?
A person who has a heart attack and succumbs because of heart failure but was diagnosed as having the virus will be listed as a virus death. Why?
The hospital would receive $13K from the heart attack death but would receive $39K from a virus death
Some states are now distinguishing between the cause of death to get a more accurate count for the reason for death.

[ffresh]

Originally Posted by heims01

CDC is obviously broken, as are many federal agencies. I wonder what has happened or is it government as usual. FUBAR.

Most all of these federal agencies are staffed with career bureaucrats who would be hard pressed to string eight words together to create a cogent sentence. And they're supervised by individuals spending taxpayer money, not their own funds. These allotted funds must be spent before the calendar year draws to a close and, the more "clients" they accrue, the larger the domain that they rule over and the larger the salary. When I was young, federal workers were not allowed to form a union, the pay was less than stellar and the pensions were nothing to brag about. Now, government employees are compensated very well, often better than those in private industry. The majority of private-industry workers have lost their pensions and have been left with self-funded 401k retirement plans, while pensions for retired government workers are the largest financial obligations of government entities at all levels - courtesy of the taxpayers, who often have no pension of their own. And, to top it off, many of these staffers in the myriad federal, state and local governments harbor intense political biases, manifested in behaviors which favor political parties rather than American citizens. With all of these dynamics at play, what could possibly go wrong?

Fred

[Rosie1950]

Maybe the guy with high blood alcohol levels who was positive was following suggestions and trying to internally sanitize. Contrary to popular opinion there are stupid people out there.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by allsport

To begin with Debra is not as reliable in health information, she is more a mouthpiece for Drumpf. What she says is not always based in factual information so her comments on the CDC should be taken with a grain of salt. That one case that the conservative sites have run with in CO is in question. It was not listed as the cause of death on the death certificate but was counted by the state. One out of 90,000 is pretty insignificant (.001%). People do not die directly from the virus, they die from blood clots, heart failure, respiratory failure, organ shut down, etc. all caused by the virus. There will be no death certificates that say just the virus because the damage done by it is what causes the deaths.

Funny, I don't recall Dr Birx being called unreliable or a mouthpiece when Obama appointed her Global Ambassador for Aids where she directed a 7 billion dollar budget.

[Aloha1]

Also funny is the fact many here have forgotten Dr. Fauci's words of praise when Dr. Birx joined HIS team.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by justjim

Another conspiracy theory. There also could be cases that were not reported before they started reporting cases. I trust our scientists before I trust most politicians whose main goal is to be re-elected.

Dr Birx is a politician? When did that happen?

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by Rosie1950

Maybe the guy with high blood alcohol levels who was positive was following suggestions and trying to internally sanitize. Contrary to popular opinion there are stupid people out there.

You're right, there has never been a case of alcohol poisoning in the history of the world before this.

[Rosie1950]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

Dr Birx is a politician? When did that happen?

When the words came flying out of her mouth that she was reworking the CDC guidelines for reopening. Now they are all just suggestions.
DeSantis said he wanted to let visitors into long term care facilities. I see that he DID NOT. was this HIS choice or could he NOT overturn the Medicare guidelines?

[sipops]

Originally Posted by GoodLife

“There is nothing from the CDC that I can trust,” Birx reportedly said, according to a report in the Washington Post.

Dr Birx already publicly admitted last month that CDC is telling states to code any death of an individual who tests positive for COVID-19 as a coronavirus death, even if it is not proven that the death was caused by COVID-19

Here's an example:

Colorado man dies from an astounding 0.55% blood alcohol level, State lists him as covid 19 death.

CO man dies from astounding 0.55 blood alcohol level, coronavirus listed as cause of death | Disrn

Dr. Blix also sheepishly said if a person dies in a car accident and has heart problems that is covid related. She said this early on thus I don't believe too much of these numbers or what she has to offer.

[Holpat39]

She is not a mouthpiece for Trump. My family is from Chicago and it is a known fact that the statistics are inflated. Die from previous lung disease and in hospice then contract Covid19 and death is listed as Covid19 even though the patient was in last stages of dying. Same with a cancer patient. Contract Covid19 in your last stages and you are listed as a Covid19 death. Check on the internet and you can see the complete interview with the head of the Health Agency in Chicago.

[DonnaNi4os]

According to Snopes there is mixed truth in a $13,000 Medicare payment for COVID related hospitalizations. It appears that a FOX News interview instigated this rumor. If you are interested you can google the report for yourself but here is their conclusion:

“ We therefore rate this claim “Mixture.” While it seems plausible that Medicare disbursements to hospitals treating COVID-19 patients could be in the range given by Jensen in the Fox News interview (if those patients are covered by Medicare), we found no evidence to support Jensen’s assertion that “Medicare has determined” that hospitals will be paid $13,000 for patients with COVID-19 diagnoses or $39,000 for COVID-19 patients place on ventilators.”

[jklfairwin]

Yes, far better to trust numbers from uniformed politicians.

[GoodLife]

Originally Posted by jklfairwin

Yes, far better to trust numbers from uniformed politicians.

Yep, I will only trust politicians who wear uniforms.

[cheweycat]

Dr. Redfield should be removed. He had no management experience prior to assuming his position. It shows!